Artefact 11:48:18 Hi. Auf ein Neues! barty 11:55:22 you speak german? :D artefact 11:57:15 of course :) barty 11:58:07 okay, gibts schon irgendwelche neuigkeiten zum aktuellen verlauf? artefact 12:07:45 Hab selber gerade noch Gartenarbeit erledigt. Ich weiß nur, dass Alan langsam den hohen Druck überwinden wollte. Das Nickel abworbiert nur langsam bis jetzt. barty 12:08:19 hmm okay artefact 12:08:19 But back to English :) barty 12:08:32 yes, I'm at the university artefact 12:08:41 Munich? barty 12:08:45 can only look at it with an half eye 12:08:48 no kaiserslautern artefact 12:09:16 I'm on holiday. barty 12:10:59 :thumbsup: artefact 12:18:11 we are at about 550C inside... David Nygren 12:22:56 will be an interesting day artefact 12:44:40 650 C inside... Gerard McEk 13:02:21 Hi all. Hope it will be a success this time! barty 13:03:19 yes would be nice! Gerard McEk 13:04:07 Can anybody explain the details such as the line colours. I cannot enlarge it enough to see it. Albin Hubert 13:09:25 you have a description of the line colours in the google docs (column N) 13:11:18 green = temp of fueled reactor, purple = temp of the empty one, blue = pressure (psi), brown = heater voltage pelgrim108 13:21:51 As live experimenters forget to do some usefull things, like for example have a legenda in the video desciption, or enable chat for youtube live stream, would it be an idea to have a LENR forum sticky that would serve as a LENR pilot live take off checklist? 13:23:22 First comment could gather and orden all tips, and even add links to tutorials ect. 13:24:20 trought endless edits of the first comment 13:27:28 New live experimenters could be given a direct link to the first comment Albin Hubert 13:28:30 seems like a good idea David Nygren 13:29:24 My English is poor 13:29:37 Do not quite understand how you think Albin Hubert 13:31:33 shouldn't the pressure have decreased already ? in the parkhomov experiment, the pressure had already started to decrease at 200° artefact 13:33:01 pelgrim: "enable chat for youtube live stream" The chat was not possible with the youtube streaming of the google hangout. barty 13:56:59 pelgrim: I will come back to your Ideas :) 13:57:07 I'm currently busy at university pelgrim108 14:05:39 @ Barty, I already made some plans with David. Thanks. barty 14:13:02 okay 14:21:59 is the video stream down? 14:22:02 no part3? pelgrim108 14:22:47 MFMP stream has ended, but relay stream with the chat is still live 14:23:11 New stream will be coming up shortly 14:25:25 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVsU5r4fwQY 14:29:52 New stream has youtube chat included barty 14:31:24 okay thank you :) 14:31:41 oh man its permitted for some countries 14:31:50 can't watch it from germany pelgrim108 14:34:21 try this link: 14:34:23 https://youtu.be/uVsU5r4fwQY barty 14:35:02 "Live Streaming ist wegen Rechteproblemen in Deutschland leider nicht möglich." 14:35:13 it's not possible 14:35:14 :( artefact 14:36:16 (Gema lässt grüßen) pelgrim108 14:36:21 I have no problems in Holland artefact 14:39:04 ARRRR :S Albin Hubert 14:42:53 no problems in france either pelgrim108 14:49:01 @ Artefact, can you see the stream? 14:49:32 and where either of you able to see part 1? artefact 14:49:53 No. It is blocked. I could see 1 and 2 but not the previous composit with the chat. 14:50:42 These bockings get triggerd in Germany sometimes by includes music. This time I guess it is the name GS3... pelgrim108 14:51:57 Samsung Galaxy 3 ? artefact 14:52:30 Yes. They probably think (the bot) that is somthing Alan has not the rights to show. pelgrim108 14:53:32 ah Ecco the Dolphin 14:54:43 could it have something to do with the streaming not having actually started yet? 14:55:05 I'm seeing "please stand by. 4:45" 14:55:08 and counting down artefact 14:57:23 Maybe it will work then. Tarun 14:58:42 t-60 14:59:21 t-30 pelgrim108 14:59:25 pressure is nominal Tarun 14:59:32 all go 14:59:43 t-10 pelgrim108 14:59:47 main reactor is go Tarun 15:00:13 and.... well :( 15:00:24 :D 15:05:17 :hmm: someone wake up Alan Andy 15:10:15 || Ecco the Dolphin 15:14:07 I can't see anything. Bideo is blank 15:14:20 *video Albin Hubert 15:14:22 same, nothing is showing barty 15:18:28 can anyone who is able to watch the video give us a short description every 10 min? :) David Nygren 15:22:05 Video link updated artefact 15:22:19 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7T9pa5wjfM 15:22:47 Works.. jeeeehh ^^ David Nygren 15:23:17 :P Tarun 15:24:52 thanks artefact 15:25:02 show in on :popcorn: Gerard McEk 15:25:39 Temperature is not rising... Tarun 15:26:16 he is holding i guess Ecco the Dolphin 15:26:32 it is rising Tarun 15:26:39 he wrote somewhere on youtube that there is a hold at 500 15:26:46 but i m not sure Ecco the Dolphin 15:27:02 it's 605°C or so right now Tarun 15:27:24 oh i can barely read Gerard McEk 15:28:03 Can't read that either 15:29:19 Google docs is also not being updated artefact 15:29:26 Glow is visible JAROVNAK 15:29:34 dido can't reed anything on 40 inch screen artefact 15:31:16 ~950 C inside JAROVNAK 15:31:48 thanks Tarun 15:33:22 those who can read please type in the sheet 15:33:45 those who can't read the sheet , its here 15:34:18 https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/15ODbN9Oq6Pjyp9A61hdX0-fBJIXBBKMk7Ei06PzTc-Q/edit#gid=1291075296 15:34:33 *read the video, JAROVNAK 15:34:39 thanks tarun Gerard McEk 15:36:32 But it is not being updated, is it? Tarun 15:37:37 not at the moment, that's why i ask those who can read please update Gerard McEk 15:41:28 I cannot add something to the spreadsheet, because I can not select a single cell. I wanted to add a psi-Bar conversion column. Can't read the graphs though JAROVNAK 15:42:36 Glow seems to be oscillating on about 5 sec time constant - anyone confirm? Tarun 15:44:01 I can read and write in the sheet, try to refreah your page 15:44:16 refresh Gerard McEk 15:45:39 It's my IPad. Try my laptop. artefact 15:47:57 I think preasure is at 420. Thats probably why the temperature is being kept constant now. Tarun 15:51:34 Skip wrote on ecat world: Alan is awake now and hopefully he can fix my screw ups shortly. Temp ramp now on "hold" hendersonmj 15:52:16 2 LiH + 2 Al ? 2 LiAl + H2 at temps above 400 deg C. 15:53:08 But it is an equilibrium, works both ways depending on pressure and temp. JAROVNAK 15:53:40 Which side is fueled? sligh controller oscilation about set point I guess? Tuned rather tightly? 15:54:52 Denis had an oscillation of about 15 second toward end of his experiment visible in glow also! pelgrim108 15:56:10 Left side is fueled JAROVNAK 15:56:16 Denis' fueled element was predomantly glowing brighter which I think was LENR related 15:58:50 Think Axil had a good recomendation to try some large temperature upset to see if we could stimulate onset of LENR reaction at lower temperatures like Parkhomov reported LENR in 500 to 700 C range - anyone confirm? Ecco the Dolphin 15:59:18 Denis and me356 had exactly that 15:59:42 their temperature control caused power to get applied short, powerful bursts 16:00:15 however, they also had a much lower hydrogen pressure 16:00:57 it's not clear if it's important, but this is the second time MFMP has these very large pressure values 16:01:23 if no apparent excess heat will occur, who knows if it's due to pressure? no way to know, with no way to manually decrease it JAROVNAK 16:01:30 I'm not sure how much hydrogen pressure counts, I think LENR when it comes in can be self regulating like in Rossi's ssm operation. 16:04:09 I think we need an optical camera looking directly into reaction area thru pressure senor type port because I believe LENR onset is sudden & large requiring themal inertia & radiation losses to stabilize it without conroller confusing onset! 16:06:01 Pressure absorption in Ni does set up ULM neutron reacton environment to start LENR process is my guess? 16:10:11 IMHO if we can get stable self sustaining regulation external power can be used to encourage higher temperature operation or moving the ssm up or down a power profile gingerly! Rossi's operation in ssm shows self regualtion capability of LENR process with no control? artefact 16:10:53 the stream looks better now Tarun 16:14:07 data from 5:00 to 7:00 is lost i guess 16:14:55 mostly unreadable, and cut off at left side 16:15:01 now better JAROVNAK 16:15:49 Interesting temperature now with last data table update in 600 C area 16:26:34 I think it takes Rossi some time to move into ssm state & keep it stably there until it can take care of itself! i presume he shutdown an ssm module by again supplying external burst of energy to thermally disrupt LENR process then on power trip the unit will go thru critical LENR self sustaining area before short time based nuclear process can re-establish ssm state so that's how I think Rossi shuts off ssm module? Looking for fueled module to glow noticeably greater than unfueled in this temperature range 600 - 800 C? Interesting to see what time period of oscillation is? If LENR shows up? pelgrim108 16:35:02 Alan Goldwater on youtube chat: 16:35:10 Yeah, thanks for your help. We're looking at options for a better platform, but this is what we have now and you made it work! magicsnd1 magicsnd1 We have the temperature controller on hold now, with the core at just over 900 C. The pressure is finally showing signs of dropping, so we'll leave the system at this temperature for a while to see. artefact 16:48:01 Green line abouve the purple... Ecco the Dolphin 16:48:29 the null side is losing heat, seemingly 16:48:45 however, they're going against the protocol artefact 16:48:58 the preasure went a litte up at that time Ecco the Dolphin 16:49:00 temperature was supposed to get increased continuously Tarun 16:49:54 but pressure did not behave properly, so its a good decision to hold Ecco the Dolphin 16:50:28 it's not clear if this temperature difference is expected during steady state operation 16:50:40 it might not be excess heat just yet 16:51:10 calibration wasn't performed at 400+ psi either JAROVNAK 16:58:03 Just had an idea maybe we should zero supress & amplify the pressure signal as it is looking directly at the site when LENR will appear with high response time. Notice how noisy it is getting now. Also look at Rossi's picture with his Stethoscope of note! I've been looking for a higher response time instrument for detect & better control LENR & get it into ssm mode more easily! pelgrim108 16:59:43 Maybe the stethoscope was a hint from Rossi, you never know Ecco the Dolphin 17:10:43 now it's getting interesting barty 17:11:52 :huh: Ecco the Dolphin 17:12:12 barty: still can't watch the video? barty 17:12:44 now it's working 17:12:51 thank you :) Tarun 17:12:59 thats a lot of difference in temps =O Ecco the Dolphin 17:13:00 ok, was going to upload a screengrab for you 17:13:04 I Tarun 17:13:08 is power dropping too ? sandbergk 17:13:12 Are the reactor champers of the null and active sections isolated from each other, or can gas flow between them? Ecco the Dolphin 17:13:30 sandbergk: my understanding is that the null and active sections aren't isolated 17:13:33 gas can flow between them sandbergk 17:14:14 Ok. So I think that means that if temperatures do deviate from each other, it's probably difficult to use those numbers to estimate COP. Ecco the Dolphin 17:14:39 it's not exactly a bullet-proof experiment unfortunately Tarun 17:15:09 there is not much space in dummy side for gas 17:15:19 hope you have seen the diagram sandbergk 17:15:28 Sure, just want to make sure I understand the setup (which I like). Tarun 17:16:34 dummy is packed with alumina rod, but still a tiny space is there, which I think will not cause convection very much sandbergk 17:17:13 The setup should be able to establish the possibility of an excess heat event, and if so (and it can be repeated), one can then try to establish COP by other means. Tarun 17:18:50 ya a good setup for a quick experiment, although it took many months to reach here :), next will be calorimetry if we see excess 17:19:14 so we have +25 C differenc, why ? JAROVNAK 17:20:00 Now looking at screen is fueled element left or right? Sorry pelgrim108 17:20:41 Left Ecco the Dolphin 17:20:53 one should be able to tell soon basing on the amount of incandescence JAROVNAK 17:21:21 right looks hotter to me? Ecco the Dolphin 17:22:06 I'm not sure about that JAROVNAK 17:22:06 That is 25 degree hotter furl element right? pelgrim108 17:22:19 Right is more evenly hot, but left has a concentrated hot area JAROVNAK 17:22:47 Yes thanks much 17:24:00 what happened to pressure trace in blue graph? pelgrim108 17:24:17 magicsnd1 Another possibility: the absorption of h into Ni is endothermic, so the drop in pressure might cause the temp differential. I'll let it cook for a while. 17:24:51 magicsnd1 is Alan goldwater on youtube chat Ecco the Dolphin 17:25:06 Jarovnak: It looks as if there was a short-lived exothermic reaction JAROVNAK 17:25:38 look at noise increase in pressure trace pelgrim108 17:26:01 magicsnd1 Regarding the source og background radiation, I did a long ambient sample before the test and the software can correct for that (after the test). I store the data hourly. JAROVNAK 17:27:24 I think we ought to amplify & look at pressure trace as it is directly reporting on LENR process just maybe? Tarun 17:27:36 has somone noticed, the specturm became "diffused" exactly at the time of line crossover, now back to sharp JAROVNAK 17:29:52 Sorry is that the gamma spectrometer in blue trace - thought it was pressure - dumb me! Tarun 17:30:21 no its gamma, pressure in on main graph 17:30:34 light blue line Ecco the Dolphin 17:31:33 Tarun: it looks like AlanG changed some setting JAROVNAK 17:31:35 Gamma looks directly & quickly at process also Tarun Ecco the Dolphin 17:32:27 the overall shape of the specturm line hasn't changed. I think it might be sensitive to heat. Tarun 17:32:32 Ecco, oh well, i was excited 17:33:07 waiting for 511 gamma ;) JAROVNAK 17:36:52 Still 5 second glow oscillation, No? 17:38:09 To bad we don't have me356 live data plots - they were the best so far! sandbergk 17:39:45 Isn't the glow oscillation just an aliasing artifact of the finite frame rate of the stream? (Possible combined with a 50Hz oscillation due to the AC?) barty 17:44:06 still no excess heat? 17:44:13 sorry I'm not at home :/ JAROVNAK 17:44:15 I don't think so! Denis' was 15 second just at end of his test for some time. Just like looking at wheel rotation on TV, but it is there - wheels do rotate, No? Ecco the Dolphin 17:47:11 barty: there is now a 25+ °C difference between null and active. active is hotter barty 17:47:30 thanks ecco JAROVNAK 17:47:31 Amplitude variation can be seen in oscillations indicative of process, No? Light pulses what do you think sanbergk is it telling us about something happening in process? barty 17:47:33 sounds interesting Ecco the Dolphin 17:47:47 however I am personally not sure if that is real. It could be because the reactor is not working in steady state mode 17:48:01 at constant temperature/input power 17:48:17 *is not => is now Tarun 17:48:53 it can be because something decomposed inside (LAH next stage?) and changed the thermal conductivity Ecco the Dolphin 17:49:02 or, something else. It will be much more interesting if the difference will grow higher next Tarun 17:49:09 or Li melted 17:49:45 yes, if its permanent or growing we will know it was not a temeporory event 17:50:35 temporary 17:50:49 spell check enabled :D sandbergk 17:51:46 Regarding the light oscillations, it would be interesting to hear of someone observed these "live" in the room, or if it's just an artifact of the finite frame rate of the stream. Ecco the Dolphin 17:52:07 sandbergk: they can be seen live sandbergk 17:52:24 ok, interesting. Were they seen in the calibration run also? JAROVNAK 17:52:36 looks like fueled element definitely getting noticeably hotter in data sheet, No? Ecco the Dolphin 17:52:49 I don't know, the calibration run was not live. I think this is the effect of PID temperature control Tarun 17:53:33 diff is 30+ now JAROVNAK 17:53:59 Yes if anything controller will amplify this freq probably, but it is on high side! 17:55:52 I meant controller will amplify amplitude & probably keep process related freq? Good point about calibration run sure it wasn't there is my guess. 17:58:47 just lost my video on GS3 site - any one else? artefact 18:01:11 no. penswrite 18:01:59 Video OK, here. JAROVNAK 18:02:12 Ecco controller will amplify process oscillation when it is present. This is prety high freq when PID is tuned to control in minutes time frame? Wonder if alan can give us prop band, reset rate integral setting for controller Ecco the Dolphin 18:03:11 JAROVNAK: I don't know the specifications of the PID AlanG used, maybe you should ask him on facebook or quantumheat.org artefact 18:03:22 Looking forward to temperature increase but the pressure is not going down :( JAROVNAK 18:03:35 I presume he is not using derivative ie set to zero, just maybe. Tarun 18:04:17 pressure went down , only 4 psi since crossover JAROVNAK 18:04:42 Ecco these are PID setting for any operating PID controller in general! Tarun 18:05:19 8 psi since 7:00 18:05:35 very small Ecco the Dolphin 18:05:54 JAROVNAK: I'm totally incompetent in controller electronics JAROVNAK 18:06:55 Tarun is there any noticeable oscillation or noise in pressure signal - rossi stethoscope question? Tarun 18:07:38 its very tiny 18:08:40 the sampling is only once a few seconds, so we do not know if there are any changes at audio frequency 18:09:12 changes = oscialltions JAROVNAK 18:09:18 Thanks 18:12:47 Tarun note Rossi listens to his Hot E-Cats with a stethoscope for what reason? Tarun 18:16:31 No idea ! rhunt 18:16:39 A stethoscope or ultrasonic down converter to audio would be very interesting attached to the cool end of the reactor. JAROVNAK 18:18:58 Just asked Sergei s opinion on putting spectrum analyzer on analog pressure signal since it is looking directly into reaction area & is not filtered by thermal inertial like TCs are? Leesto 18:19:40 Alan G (who is running the test) is on chat at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FmirPpEYo6I rhunt 18:22:01 Maybe Rossi was giving a hint on what to look or listen for when monitoring the reaction. I remember seeing pictures of little micro explosion pits in the Ni catalyst. JAROVNAK 18:26:07 That Rossi is a wonderful guy in my book & Parkhomov not far behind if even? 18:28:06 Yes I think we have a direct window on the process & have been trapped in aliasing pit of sampled data origin, No? Nice thinking rhunt! 18:29:30 Don't see Alan available on site Leesto? 18:37:51 Nice thermal divergence now I think LENR is trying to come in & play with us again, what you think? pelgrim108 19:00:05 magicsnd1 @Emily, the PID controller is reducing the power to maintain the active side at a set point. Thus the null side drops in temperature. JAROVNAK 19:04:53 Great the LENR is here to play, just maybe? 19:06:56 pelgrim who is emily jydata 19:09:32 @jarovnak, Emily is someone on the youtube chat who posed a question. JAROVNAK 19:10:44 Where is the chat site, mine went dead in the water? jydata 19:11:50 live video with chat - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FmirPpEYo6I pelgrim108 19:12:55 @Jarovnak, I am quoting Alan Goldwater on the youtube chat from time to time when hesays something intersting over there 19:13:44 magicsnd1 is the youtube name for Alan Goldwater Tarun 19:20:25 difference 40+ barty 19:20:32 :lenr: 19:20:37 seems so pelgrim108 19:20:50 :borg: Tarun 19:21:13 :beer: 19:21:42 but .... lets wait :nono: pelgrim108 19:22:04 Sorry Tarun Tarun 19:22:24 :D barty 19:22:27 :F pelgrim108 19:22:29 lol barty 19:22:29 :D 19:22:47 yes it still could be a measurmenet error 19:22:58 we will see if it differs more on 1100C 19:23:15 but it looks promising 19:23:22 more than all previous runs 19:23:34 spiteful pelgrim108 19:23:41 I am wondering, if you see the glow, from both, if the total heat output from both sides is the same Tarun 19:23:43 yes, its the most interesting till date pelgrim108 19:24:24 Just left side is more concentrated to 1 spot, and doesnt cool so much Tarun 19:24:25 the setup is too good for a simple measurement error 19:25:35 what does Alan say ? is he confident ? 19:25:46 pelgrim, have you asked ? pelgrim108 19:26:40 yes I asked. i asked if TC measurement is average over time and if TC could be over local hotspot. 19:27:28 magicsnd1 The thermocouples were carefully calibrated before the fuel was added. The reactor has not been touched since the experiment started, so nothing has moved. The data in the stream is 30 second averages artefact 19:27:38 Does someone know the amps feeding the tube? pelgrim108 19:28:04 Alan has not directly answered my questions Tarun 19:28:21 thanks pelgrim, this gives hope pelgrim108 19:28:33 Just said that glow is not indicative of more heat Ecco the Dolphin 19:28:46 temperature <> heat pelgrim108 19:29:24 the dummy could also let more glow from the other ( not visible) side through 19:31:14 @ Ecco, are you saying that temperature does not equal heat? Tarun 19:31:32 is HAD planned? 19:31:32 that will be the answer Ecco the Dolphin 19:31:44 pelgrim108: exactly, sorry for being obscure pelgrim108 19:32:36 @Ecco, its difficult to be precise in the wording, when your hastily chatting 19:33:21 plus I am uneducated, and a nitwit in physics 19:34:05 I dont even know what Advocados number is. Tarun 19:35:09 pelgrim, in case of LENR, everyone is uneducated more or less. Who know everything about lenr, no one. else why would we struggle so much. pelgrim108 19:35:33 tnx Tarun Tarun 19:36:27 but probably , you and me and people in this room know more about lenr than a average scientist 19:36:50 the mainstream is totally ignorant about it pelgrim108 19:36:53 I think that is possible. 19:38:54 I like the chats a lot, here you can learn so much 19:39:54 Thats why I am recording these chats, because I think that there are others like me . Tarun 19:40:42 great 19:41:56 yes a lot to learn here barty 19:53:11 pressure is now going down? 19:53:31 :popcorn: penswrite 19:57:43 Ever so slowly, but steadily. barty 20:06:18 at how much psi is it now? 20:06:31 can't read it, even in hd 720p mode Ecco the Dolphin 20:06:40 413.3177 psi barty 20:06:50 wow that's much! Ecco the Dolphin 20:07:10 28.4972 bar barty 20:07:34 thank you :) 20:07:51 so it will still take a while until we go to negative pressure :( cco the Dolphin 20:11:04 at this rate it will take almost 5 days goax 20:11:10 It is strange that the pressure did not decrease during the 250°C leveling. barty 20:12:26 :dead: JAROVNAK 20:12:28 Probably NI got all the H2 it could adsorb? barty 20:13:24 possible goax 20:13:28 Was the Ni fuel already used in an other run? Do we know? Tarun 20:17:27 i guess same fuel was used in Padua test 20:17:45 and there too the pressure was very high, did not drop much JAROVNAK 20:20:14 The LENR seems to be happy to sit at this ssm point which is good, now lets see how majic can move it when he decides to continue on ramp? Tarun 20:20:59 i feel mostly the pressure is because of air not because of H2, its only 3mg, so if it absorbs, how much difference can it make on pressure ? 20:23:00 to really see the pressure/absorption relation, one need to start with vaccum inside goax 20:23:52 The air contained in 1cm3 weights 1mg, so the 3 mg of H2 does count. David Nygren 20:47:58 Some new photos from Alexander P 20:48:01 docviewer.yandex.com/?url=ya-d…df&page=11&c=5568b4b72366 barty 20:54:00 :thumbup: JAROVNAK 20:55:08 Majic was kind enough to point out his controller & I see it has no manual mode like Denis', I told him to be careful as LENR can overwelm such a unit & only manual might save him when ssm LENR gets very great! IMHO Denis Vasilenko 20:57:19 Hi all, I see there are successes. :) artefact 21:00:02 There are some similarities to your run with the spacing of the lines... 21:02:29 It just happend a bit later David Nygren 21:04:21 Hello Denis JAROVNAK 21:04:27 Yes Dennis nice to see you pop up. Just looked at Alan's controller & it to has no manual mode so I warned him of your run in with Rossi's self sustained nuclear reaction mode (ssm). He is at much reduced Temp now so no problem with ssm but it will repeat at top of ramp when he nears ssm. Remember ssm wants no control it can maintain power on its own! IMHO jim loved your oscilation in night air! Gerard McEk 21:10:49 What side is the fuelled? pelgrim108 21:12:34 Left side on the sreen closest to the metal foil is the fueled side 21:13:07 The metal foil is protecting the transducer Gerard McEk 21:13:40 Dankje pelgrim108 21:13:47 Geen dank Denis Vasilenko 21:16:05 I think it worked out with a vacancy of "????" on my blog LENR be expanded significantly and efficiently, we will support it, and I'll try to do the detailed news into English. :) pelgrim108 21:17:36 What is "MEPA"? Denis Vasilenko 21:18:20 http://www.lenr-forum.com/forum/news/index.php/News/94-Russian-company-MEPA-search-experimental-physicist-for-LENR/ pelgrim108 21:18:58 Ah, so your going to do research for MEPA ? Denis Vasilenko 21:19:52 I've got ideas with heating, but first they must check 21:21:08 We will also be trying to run a successful reactor Gerard McEk 21:21:33 Is MEPA big, I mean many people? Denis Vasilenko 21:22:58 I just don't tell, but probably not enough pelgrim108 21:24:20 I think MEPA was made awake by the Airbus news. 21:25:32 Will they test your current setup? Gerard McEk 21:27:14 Temperature difference is dropping now pelgrim108 21:32:10 @Denis, I am happy for you JAROVNAK 21:43:19 I too am very happy for you Denis', you deserve the best! Jim Anything I can do for you let me know! Ecco the Dolphin 21:48:31 temperature finally getting increased? Denis Vasilenko 21:48:40 Thank you for your support inspires me, and I will return to the experiments already from June 15 :) Ecco the Dolphin 21:48:45 so sleepy :sleeping: 21:49:14 * it looks like it's not the case artefact 21:49:54 I think it will take time before they increase it Ecco the Dolphin 21:50:33 even only +50°C will tell much, though JAROVNAK 21:51:32 Gerard I think temperature is still holding, No? penswrite 21:51:38 Hovering, during hydrogen loading. Anticipation builds. JAROVNAK 21:53:29 Can anyone see period of cycling glow yet? 21:57:50 Well I looked further at Alan's controller & as well as not having any manual mode it appears fuzzy logic is auto-tunning PID parameters so they are not obvious either. A long road of progress since I retired 15 years ago! pelgrim108 21:59:39 period of glow is about 4.5 seconds JAROVNAK 22:00:43 Thanks for update pelgrim108 22:02:39 I hate stable temperatures X( Majorana 22:05:48 Hey amigos, has anything interesting happened since start? Andy 22:06:59 yes, active run 45°hotter than blank for hours Majorana 22:07:38 can it be attributed to calibration of the thermo couples? like in Denis experiment? Andy 22:07:43 approx 40W of excess, cop 1.2 22:08:22 no, the calibration was done before, 10°C of difference at most 22:08:31 and in favour of the blank reactor 22:08:57 nothing changed according to mfmp 22:09:08 apart from the charge obviously Gerard McEk 22:09:34 Maybe first :sleeping: and wakeup and see 22:10:26 :lenr: pelgrim108 22:11:07 @ Andy, I am seeing a ~ 60 C difference during calibration Majorana 22:11:59 And I think that the insertion of the charge would slightly change the heat capacity, but it would increase the thermal conductivity inside the tube thus the empty reactor should have a slightly higher temperature than the full. So this can't be what we see. What do you think? pelgrim108 22:12:39 @Andy do you know if the calibration was with a dummy capsule with dummy fuel? Andy 22:12:50 they said 10°C, i'm sure of this 22:13:32 i think there was no fuel at all, someone knows? 22:14:16 only the capsule was the same, and the thermocouple was not changed nor moved pelgrim108 22:14:43 https://www.facebook.com/MartinFleischmannMemorialProject/photos/pb.466698113360893.-2207520000.1432929302./978739918823374/?type=1&theater 22:15:15 that is the cali run. I am seeing a 60C diff there 22:16:25 That is 60C max difference for the whole run Majorana 22:16:37 Interesting 22:17:18 Where can you read the current temperature? pelgrim108 22:17:46 Here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7T9pa5wjfM Majorana 22:17:54 Thanks pel Andy 22:18:29 yes pel, i think you are right, maybe 10° was the mean difference JAROVNAK 22:18:35 Majorane I think we are viewing the stable presence of energy from Rossi ssm reaction contributing to thermal input. Andy 22:19:32 and figure out that i've watched the graph to confirm what they said! pelgrim108 22:19:34 @ Jarovnak, In my imagination, LENR is not stable Andy 22:19:55 but i din't notice it was a little bit more than 10°C Majorana 22:19:57 Very interesting, and we are only at 600°C right? JAROVNAK 22:20:04 Great 1.26 COP & it can be infinitee as all ssm energy supply demonstrates! pelgrim108 22:20:18 609 or so JAROVNAK 22:21:55 Yes & as we slowly go up ssm will supply more & more power as a non controlled contribution so we must be careful with PID control as contribution increases to no destroy the fuel element, No? pelgrim108 22:22:54 @ Jaro, indeed Andy 22:23:29 i'm asking esewhere about the calibration run pelgrim108 22:23:50 @ Andy, thanks 22:24:35 Also, fueled and dummy temps are moving in sinc JAROVNAK 22:24:54 Pelgrim Rossi has demonstrated with his ssm point so customer for days of operation that the LENR process will self stabilize with radiation loss controlling & he needs no external input. That is the major find of his runs to date but I think he gingerly gets there. pelgrim108 22:26:16 @ Jaro, I hope that Alan has found it, and is doing it. I am crossing my fingers. Andy 22:26:32 yes, the stability is not a good sign indeed, but a stable excess heat is not something you can totally exclude pelgrim108 22:26:50 @ Andy, indeed Andy 22:27:36 in the calibration there where empty alumina rods inside both tubes, as someone answered 22:28:29 but i guess that alumina tubes are small and isolated from the outer tube, so i don't think this can change anything on the thermal capacity 22:28:35 tell me if i'm wrong JAROVNAK 22:28:51 When the metal generating the thermal energy expand it tend to shutdown the gerneration of ultra low momentum neutron production thus limiting power output; so radiation fourth power based thermal losses can act as a high gain controller for the LENR process thank God or whoever & we have our dream that may save the world of energy crisis at least, No? pelgrim108 22:29:34 I am afraid that the capsule is creating a local hotspot, I.E. that it is gathering and giving heat to a narrow area 22:30:13 I forgot what the enlish word is for that 22:31:22 In the glow you can see this hotspot JAROVNAK 22:31:28 Yes the glow is off center & has been so LENR favors right side of left fuel element tube is my take! penswrite 22:32:20 The wallahs over at e-catworld are working to calculate all alternative sources of possible heat. LENR will likely be proven only if the ash shows evidence of nuclear transmutation. Andy 22:32:37 i think the capsule was already there during the calibration, nothing but the powder has changed 22:32:45 anyway i share your same doubts 22:33:04 maybe a larger excess heat will be more reliable pelgrim108 22:33:06 @ Jaro, the glows from both sides are very different, I hope that is due to LENR JAROVNAK 22:33:38 I trust it is, just maybe? pelgrim108 22:33:51 @Andy, thanks, that is good news JAROVNAK 22:36:23 Alan could move up the load ramp but if it is LENR ssm as I think he'll have to be careful not to burn out the fuel element as Denis did. Beat to leave it here for a good while to have isotope ash build up for the proof, No? 22:39:47 If any thing if TC is centered in both elements the left is hotter still because offset of TC to right of hottest spot where ssm reaction is predominant, IMHO! Andy 22:43:52 in fact the spot can be sign of both anomalous heat and anomalous distribution of heat, is a pointless discussion ... Gerard McEk 23:01:33 The pressure drops extremely slow. It will take about a year, before it drops below one bar. Would Aaln wait for that? pelgrim108 23:01:51 I think not 23:03:06 maybe do a tyny power increase and see what happens Gerard McEk 23:03:53 Yes, 50 degrees or so... pelgrim108 23:05:03 On the other hand, if they think they have LENR by the horns, then option is to keep it alive and study it for days from all angles Andy 23:05:09 they said the next step will be 700°C 23:05:30 the next setpoint* pelgrim108 23:06:50 Well its decided then ¯\_(?)_/¯ Tarun 23:07:10 Right now the inside temp is about 1000C 23:08:05 700 will take it to 1100 inside, 23:09:00 where the real stuff begins barty 23:09:27 :popcorn: David Nygren 23:09:39 video updated barty 23:09:46 and I'm tired... pelgrim108 23:09:50 new stream nochat: https://youtu.be/ubMekgFXByg barty 23:10:21 david, can you update? David Nygren 23:10:34 update page barty 23:10:45 I'm online with my mobile phone David Nygren 23:10:55 its alredy update i mean barty 23:10:56 nice!