Replicating the "mouse" not "cat"

  • Here is a recent post by Axil Axil over at Vortex-l that throws doubt on much of the replication scene. [Seen also at Peter Gluck's blog, Thanks Peter!]. If it is literally true, it is truly a shame. Read and act accordingly:
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    Axil Axil
    Mon, 08 Jun 2015 13:06:40 -0700


    I am disappointed in Rossi because Rossi has allowed the open source LENR
    community to be misled by the Lagano report. We know now that the mouse is
    the only reactor type that is powered under the Rossi latest reactor
    architecture. The Cat is not powered and depends on the mouse as its
    activator. Rossi knew full well when he gave this type of reactor to the
    Lagano testers that it could only produce power at a level just over unity.
    He knew that the Lagano power production numbers must have been in error
    because a Mouse cannot produce all that power as Lagano claimed.Rossi also has told us that the mouse produces power just above over unity.
    Real power comes when the mouse activates N numbers of non powered
    sub-reactor units that he calls Cats.


    The errors that the Lagano team made in measuring the temperature and power
    production capability of the ‘Mouse” that Rossi gave the Lagano test team
    was left unchallenged even though Rossi knew that a mouse can only produce
    power just over unity. When the Lagano errors are corrected, the Lagano
    power adjustment shows power production just over unity.


    The open source community including MFMP is hell bent in showing power
    production from the “mouse” to meet or exceed the invalid numbers that
    Rossi has let stand from the results presented from the Lagano test.


    The Lagano test team had their own agenda in not correcting these overblown
    power production numbers. That agenda is probably centered in getting
    support for there own research funding from the authorities.


    All this subterfuge is not good for LENR.


    The open source community should move on from showing the inflated power
    production numbers that Lagano has promulgated, and concentrate on getting
    the “mouse” to activate N numbers of Cats so that LENR can show some real
    solid over unity energy production.


    [end quote]

    • Official Post

    I disagree with that position from evidences of Ferrara experiments.


    The ferrara experiment gave massive heat and COP was above 2...
    It you eliminate the absurd theory of scam conspiracy, the ferrara test is the best calorimetry result. We all know that there is no chemistry possible at this level, and since Lugano calorimetry is uncertain, Ferrara give a good indication of what can do the E-cat.


    In Lugano it would be suicidal to give a reactor with a COP below 2, and the fact that [lexicon]IH[/lexicon] did not warn on the report, is because it looked like their expectation. It is not the interest of [lexicon]IH[/lexicon] to have a report that is wrong, and whether they would have seen an incredible result they would have warned the physicist, discretely.


    there is only two hypothesis.
    One, the skeptic, is a gigantic conspiracy, mirrors and smoke with stage magic, which is impossible with Lugano procedure. E-cat is not a trick, stop dreaming. No body is stupid enough, even a deluded guy, to provide a non working device to physicist, or to let them alone with a trick.


    Now if you eliminate the absurd, the only hypothesis is that Ferrara test proved good COP, and Lugano test proved good confidence in a convincing COP (>2), and huge isotopic shift (that is unusual for Rossi).


    The problem with that analysis is that it demand to consider both hypothesis seriously, their consequences and conditions, and long reasoning to eliminate the impossible, involving scientific but also human factor reasoning. Hybrid deduction is not so easy. Pure science, or pure human reasoning, don't work here.


    however there is surely many trick to make the fuel sustain high temperature, work reliably, endure month of heating and loading...
    When you see the time it took for Rossi to propose demo that don't fail, with COP above 3 you see it is not an easy job.


    This is why I am patient on the replications under progress, as it will be a long research. No experiments today is without flaw.


    Songsheng Jiang experiments is the best experiment, but is anyway a failure (1 or 2 TC failed).
    Parkhomov launched the expectation, but the results are suffering from dubious calorimetry.
    MFMP is only intriguing...


    It is the beginning. All of the experiments need improvement, on the calorimetry, on the reliability...

    • Official Post

    Rossi in some excahges said that the mouse was only useful when in SSM, which in fact is in pulsed mode.
    I have my own guess theory, based on the modest knowledge on control science when I was younger.


    the E-cat seems to be a device that above some temperature go in runaway mode, a positive feedback system.
    the SSM mode show that there is something that counter the positive feedback after sometime.


    the SSM is in a way that :
    the reactor is cooler, and positive feedback is not enough to sustain the reaction.
    some heat launch a process that is self catalytic, and a runaway starts slowly
    heating is stopped and runaway continue.
    however meanwhile a slower but stronger negative feedback grows in influence and slowdown the heating,
    the negative feedback get dominant and trigger a down runaway
    without heating the reactor would cool down.


    the negative feedback is linked to a state variable of the reactor, which is not temperature, and which evolve slower than the temperature and the positive feedback. No idea what it is, only guess (loading ratio, NAE density, NAE efficiency).


    in control science we would say that the system have two loops.
    one positive feedback is clearly linked to temperature, which is the integration of power.
    the second negative feedback is linked probably to an integral of temperature...


    in a way I could say :


    more temperature make more power
    power increase the temperature
    temperature decrease a mysterious variable
    this mysterious variable makes more power


    if you have a spice simulator you may even test that idea.


    loading ratio, or NAE structure are good candidate for the mysterious variable... temperature logically can make hydrogen escape the nickel, and can wear out reversibly the NAE...
    Look at the analysis of Edmund Storms in that paper...
    He propose a phenomenological model for the reactor, at the end.
    http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/StormsEexplaining.pdf

    now what is the mouse ?
    I suspect it is just two subsystem with different loop parameters. result may be to cumulate the phase shift of each system, so that it is globally more stable...


    the two system may not be two components as we imagine, but maybe two populations of powders, with different parameters...


  • This process can be moved up & down the fuel element temperature ramp once (ssm) LENR is established or before or after by temporarily breaking up or reestablishing (ssm) mode of operation with external pulses of power just as a nuclear reactors flux level (power generation level) is moved with control rod absorbing or freeing a small number of neutrons to get above or below unity generation for a period of time to get power up or down. The (ssm) mode can be disrupted by thermally upsetting the local active spot/spots in the fuel element which has a thermal process related time constant. The fourth power radiation law is a powerful controller in its own right. How else would Rossi shut down a plant operating in an (ssm) condition of power generation (no external power input period) The only mouse is the knowledge of how to do this with magnitude of TRIAC power step inputs & decreases & its breakup or reestablish time constant for Ultra Low Momentum neutron generation driving the isotope creation process at locally active site/sites. Lugano did generate excess power of that I am sure as he is doing now for his client. A novel algorithm will have to be developed to supervise control of the process as Rossi has inferred he has done. Normal PID or fuzzy PID controller will get into trouble as the magnitude of (ssm) power contribution with respect to TRIAC input power grow. with time which appears to be a slow process. Wonder why we have lost so many fuel elements in replication attempts?

  • Rossi's only motivation is to create con-fusion.


    And some of you still can't see it. It is unbelievable.

  • This process can be moved up & down the fuel element temperature ramp once (ssm) LENR is established or before or after by temporarily breaking up or reestablishing (ssm) mode of operation with external pulses of power just as a nuclear reactors flux level (power generation level) is moved with control rod absorbing or freeing a small number of neutrons to get above or below unity generation for a period of time to get power up or down. The (ssm) mode can be disrupted by thermally upsetting the local active spot/spots in the fuel element which has a thermal process related time constant. The fourth power radiation law is a powerful controller in its own right. How else would Rossi shut down a plant operating in an (ssm) condition of power generation (no external power input period) The only mouse is the knowledge of how to do this with magnitude of TRIAC power step inputs & decreases & its breakup or reestablish time constant for Ultra Low Momentum neutron generation driving the isotope creation process at locally active site/sites. Lugano did generate excess power of that I am sure as he is doing now for his client. A novel algorithm will have to be developed to supervise control of the process as Rossi has inferred he has done. Normal PID or fuzzy PID controller will get into trouble as the magnitude of (ssm) power contribution with respect to TRIAC input power grow. with time which appears to be a slow process. Wonder why we have lost so many fuel elements in replication attempts?


    The main problem here that I see is that the possible production of high LENR energy output may be very much a threshold phenomenon. That is at a rather specific temperature the LENR suddenly begins and the temperature dependence is abrupt, and highly exponential. If it were linear or 2nd degree, no problem. But it may well be quite a 4th power sort of thing. For one thing we are seeing evidence that phase changes are involved, those are already unquestionably very abrupt. Add to that the possible 4th or greater heat to output relation, with obvious positive feedback looping..... Anyway, to be forewarned is to be forearmed, so to speak.

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