Lugano performance recalculated - the baseline for replications

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... Maybe you should devote some time to try to understand the theories that could explain this, if you are so interested in the topic.

I am positively fascinated. Tell me where to find these theories. And I hope they don't come from word salad diarrhea specialists like Axil and the rest of the weird people on Vortex, or Lomax!

Oh, and come on... did you see the photos of Levi? You don't think he looks just a tiny bit ... uh ... unusual?

And if you want to appear in the slightest credible, please try responding to the actual issues with facts, links and references along with believable arguments and reasoning. I do. Can't you?

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No, he says on his website that they answered a FOIA, and sent him supporting documents mentioned in the bibliography of the CERL report - including details of the university trials.

Wright references this, did not publish them, no doubt as they would undermine his chosen narrative.

Where, exactly is this wonder. I seem to have missed it. Quote and link please. (thanks)

@colwyn

It's hardly worth the trouble to argue with you since you never respond directly to questions and comments. Here's what Wright wrote about the thermoelectric fiasco (and he underestimates the cost-- elsewhere I saw $9 million total including the two million to Rossi discussed below).

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On the Home page of this website in my first posting dated May 28, 2012, I made the statement that we would provide, “The details of Rossi’s Thermoelectric farce. It cost the American taxpayers at least about $3 million. With Rossi’s company getting $900,000 for a few worthless pieces of metal.”

We have talked, via phone and email, to the person at the New Hampshire University who has knowledge of what happened concerning when/where Mr. Rossi started this scam.

We have been in communications with the people at DOD/DOE who were involved in this project. They were very helpful until the subject of the finances concerning the $3 million that was diverted to this project became an issue. At that time everyone clammed up. Just like a clam, to try and protect themselves I am sure.

At that point we had to go into the FOIA method of gathering information. As anyone who has used this method knows it is a true art to obtain timely information by this means. It is always a give and take, and trying to get information when you don’t know the name of a document or who created it can be very time consuming. That is where we are at today.

What we do know so far, via documents already obtained, is that Mr. Rossi was given $910,000 that he took over to Italy, and produced a few thermoelectric devices that he gave to the DOD/DOE, most of which did not work, and the few that did work operated at or below comparable devices available on the open market.

The $910,000 Mr. Rossi took to Italy was not the funds to rebuild his laboratory in the USA after the mysterious fire, that was another gift from the DOD/DOE of about $908,000.

We are now on our third round of FOIA requests, I talked to the person handling this round today, and he is working on it, but we have no idea when we will get those papers.

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Does it still sound like Wright got good answers from FOIA requests? Does it sound like he refused to discuss the results?

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So you read this:

But, in your head, that became this:

You really wonder why I don't waste my time addressing your fantasies?

Why not spend some time reading 'part 3' of your bible?

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I apologize to other readers of this string for this off topic issue.

Glad you reminded me of part 3. It includes this quote:

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We contacted Hi-Z Technology, Inc in San Diego, California. At first they were hesitant to answer our question if Rossi or Leonardo Technologies Inc. had in fact purchased any modules. After awhile they did confirm that Rossi had purchased a few modules from them.

And this from the now removed CERL report (yes, it's still available because CERL was unable to get it removed from public and private archives including Rothwell and Krivit's web sites):

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“Nineteen of 27 TE Devices shipped to CTC, Johnstown, PA, were incapable of generating electricity for a variety of reasons, from mechanical failure to poor workmanship. The remaining eight produced less than 1 watt of power each, significantly less than the expected 800–1000 watts each.”

ROTFWL! "Signifiantly less"? How about TWO ORDERS OF MAGNITUDE LESS? Worthless junk just like the ecat fugitives from a plumbing scrap heap.

And you reminded me: Rossi used the same scam tactics early on with the ecat when he said that it was tested by universities (it wasn't) just like he said the TE devices were, and he would use robotic devices to produce them (never the slightest evidence of any use of robotics by Rossi or LTI):

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Robotics are used for mass production.

So basically, the TE scam was the prototype for the ecat scam. Thanks for the reminder.

No, Colwyn, Wright never reported on the last documents he asked for. I presume he never got them.

So tell me, why do YOU think Rossi had a Nobel-worthy discovery of highly efficient and inexpensive (LTI/Rossi claims) thermoelectric devices and then actually delivered (for $1.8 million of tax payer money) non-working devices he purchased, which were rejects from a Russian manufacturer? That sound honest to you? That's not a scam to you?

You won't respond to a direct question. You never do. Engaging you in debate is a total waste of time and forum space.

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Gary Wright received a tranche of FOIA documents from the DOD regarding Task: DE-AT01-98FE65489, here

A common error which is why I didn't understand where you were pointing. You are looking at nothing but "Rossi (and LTI which was mostly Rossi) says".

I ask you again: have you read the CERL report?

When you do, it is clear that CERL relied entirely on "Rossi says" which is the only positive portrayal of testing in Gary's third report. Otherwise please tell me from what you think is Gary's report:

Who, at U of NH, tested Rossi's highly efficient thermoelectric converter? Have a name? A publication other than Rossi/LTI?

What were the quantitative findings on which expenditure of $3M ($9M per other sources) was justified?

If you just tell me who this mystery tester was, assuming it's somebody reputable like a professor and not a janitor, I will be happy to contact and interview them. But then, you don't know, do you? Because everything CERL relied on came to them through and from Rossi. And Rossi, as usual, was lying. And what Gary wrote down and what you are referring to was simply what Rossi said. Read the flipping report!

Did I miss something? Cite it please.

As for the deletions of the original report, CERL can only delete its own web pages and references which it did. It can't interfere with Army publications or with other government information depositories or private collections. After all, the supposed work was done with tax payer money and is in no way classified. CERL did everything they could to distance themselves from this putrid piece of garbage. I am sure if they could have done more, they would have. What they SHOULD have done was to publish in the open literature a case history as a warning of what happens when you spend millions of dollars on nothing but the word of a convicted felon and con man.

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several pictures of Levi.

Hilarious, aren't they? Perhaps if I knew Levi, I'd feel sorry for him but since I don't, he's just comedy. If you liked those, you might enjoy these captioned and chopped photos:

http://www.moletrap.co.uk/wiki/index.php/Rossicaptions

I notice you don't address either the results or the source of Rossi's thermoelectric "devices". That's what proves the fraud. In addition to which, Rossi claims he dropped the project because the devices had to be hand made by him and "the position of a few atoms was significant". That's ridiculous on its face. If the device ever worked, it would be worth billions and dozens of people and companies would be eager to do the engineering required to make it practical. NOBODY sane and truthful would ever drop such a device if it were real which it clearly was not.

Don't believe Gary, call the company! Don't believe me that Levi wouldn't reply to Josephson's email about his test? Ask him (he's a very kind gentleman and rapidly and politely answered my inquiry through Youtube comments). Also his contact info is on his web site.

I guess the value of this string, if it has any, is to demonstrate why Rossi can scam people so easily with such silly stuff -- believers do not get it!

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NO - wrong again. As stated in the CERL report, DE-AT01-98FE65489, is a group of three reports by a person named C.L. Munson at the University of New Hampshire. Someone called Parsons managed the project at the DOD. The CERL report says this about it:

If you had bothered to read the actual 150+page CERL report and appendixes and knew anything about the industry, you'd realize that Parsons wasn't "someone," it was a research company. Munson worked for Parsons, not U of NH and Parsons had nothing to do with U of NH. I don't know the details of their involvement with Rossi but I suspect they were simply another of Rossi's marks -- Munson and Parsons were bamboozled by Rossi. As for the report with the number ending in 489, have you seen it? I wanted to but I couldn't find it anywhere. All references to it I could locate lead to the CERL report. So, with your superior search skills, maybe you can find that report so we can read it?

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As part of a Department of Energy project titled, “Assessment of Efficiency Increases and Economics of Application of Thermoelectric Apparatus in Fossil Power Plants” (Task DE-AT01-98FE65489, TD No. 15), a small prototype TE Device manufactured by Dr. Andre Rossi was tested at the University of New Hampshire in 2000. This TE Device demonstrated significant power generation (100 watts continuous) and a thermal to electrical conversion efficiency of 16 percent. These results could not be duplicated during this effort. LTI is continuing research and development work to achieve the TE Device level of operation demonstrated in the Parsons study.

LTI *is* Rossi's company. Anything said by LTI is told to them by Rossi. The story about the small prototype device etc. etc. is ALL FROM ROSSI. NONE is from the U of NH. Find me a single person at an appropriate level who tested the device at U of NH. You can't because there was none. U of NH was never involved. Rossi *claims* that he used their heating plant to test his device but there is no evidence for this ANYWHERE. In fact, other than LTI claims (which are Rossi claims) and a report from Parsons, almost certainly based on "Rossi says", there is no evidence the claimed device ever existed. And if it had, it would have been worth untold millions of dollars and would have been remade after the fire. Instead, the whole thing was swept under the rug and ignored. That would have never happened if the device had been real. It would be too important and valuable. Obviously, you know so little about thermoelectric devices, you don't realize that.

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The most fundamental reason for the LTI second-generation TE Devices’ failure was the complex thermal expansion interplay among the various components. Contributing to the TE Device failure were the large number of soldered electrical connections (over 80), the inability to match the thermal expansion rates of the mono-block cooling tanks to the circuit boards and to the semiconductor materials, all within the clamp pressure or the retaining hardware in the grip of high temperature adhesives

Total garbage and pure conjecture. I've been personally involved in the design of Seebeck effect devices, not for energy generation at which they work but are inefficient, but for heat flux transducers and calorimeters for which they are outstanding (stable, sensitive and easily calibrated). They do not require soldered connections (one design uses printed circuits with plated through holes and plated wiring). But if you do make them with soldered junctions (like Storms did), there is nothing to it. 80 solder joints a problem? In what universe? Any idea how many solder connections in a consumer computer? As for thermal expansion, that may be an issue, I don't know. It's no issue for properly designed Seebeck heat flux transducers. And, after all, how did Rossi surmount this issue with his prototype? Didn't anyone at CERL consult Rossi about this? Perhaps not. One theory is that he was in custody at the time in Italy. In the pokey! Anyway, these are silly objections. They are simple engineering problems which a multimillion dollar program should easily solve -- if the prototype existed, which I am certain it couldn't have and didn't. If the prototype had been real, you would have read about its characteristics. CERL would have obtained and studied it (or a remake if it got burned). We'd know all its parameters. Instead, all that remains is one blurry and questionable image from -- get this -- Rossi.

Nothing I said about this whole misadventure is wrong. DOD didn't "relocate" the report. Archive copies are always kept. CERL deleted its web site out of embarrassment right about the time Wright and others started to look into Rossi's crooked past. Coincidence? I don't think so. Doubt it? Go interview them. If you can find the authors of the report and they will talk with you about it. They won't.

Finally, when Rossi talks about the project, nothing makes any sense. He never mentions buying the bad parts from the San Diego company which admitted selling them to him. He claims the prototype was hand made and every molecule and atom had to be just right suggesting they were somehow adjusted by him (idiotic claim). Even if so, there was no credible reason for not doing it again. He said it took about 3000 hours. So what? It would have been worth almost as much as a working ecat. Of course we will never see ANY device of Rossi's working except for a scamming machine and that's what he is.

Rossi's scamming method is not different in the ecat compared to thermoelectrics. He still claimed early on that his ecat had been tested by universities-- it hadn't. Still hasn't been. He claimed robotic manufacturing for both devices but it doesn't exist and never happened. Similar scam but this time, he found dumber and less cautious marks. CERL, initially bamboozled by Rossi, realized he was a crook, cut their losses and tried to bury the whole mess. [lexicon]IH[/lexicon] won't be that lucky because of all that has been written about Rossi since by Krivit, Wright, Pomp, Clarke and others.

By the way, did you ever see the high precision tool kit Rossi's elderly mechanic used to put together early ecats (those pieces of junk pipe -- rejects from toilet making)? Think he used the same one to adjust molecules? Courtesy of Krivit who took the image inside Rossi's Italian "factory" (it was the only tools he saw there):