Huge News: E-Cat US-Patent granted! 50% Ni, 20% Li and 30% LiAlH4

Quote from JDM

I notice one claim (8) is the tank acts as a radiation shield. That may have some safety certification issues, eh?

Hi all

In reply to JDM

Rossi already has the CE certificate and safety test from 2011, it was part of the requirements that [lexicon]IH[/lexicon] put on him. The Radiation test was part of that if you care to look it up.

People use radiation sources of far more more power in their homes already. Any Radiation LENR produces and it was seen by MFMP and others is small and below that seen in Smoke alarms, and the Cathode ray tubes of the old style TVs and computer monitors we used to use, and not even remotely in the league of my old glow in the dark Timex watch or my old Sylva compass when I used to do night navigation for orienteering competitions back in the 70s and 80s.

Kind Regards walker

t’s difficult to find a black cat in a dark room, especially when there’s none.
E-CAT no nuclear reactions, I have talked about this.

This is because (from my understanding) he didn't really claim a nuclear reaction or anything like that. It just appears to claim the structure and steps for performing the reaction. As far as I can tell the examiner just checked to see if anyone had put the components and ingredients together in the same way.

I'm glad that the public has the additional information in the patent and I hope that the patent makes Rossi more willing to share additional information with the public. But if someone didn't believe in Rossi or LENR before there isn't anything here that would really change their minds.

LENR needs either (A) a publicly known and reliably reproducible experiment that shows unambiguous excess heat or (B) an openly available commercial product. Hopefully the patent will move those goals forward.

Quote from AlainCo

I've read the observations of the examiner on uspto site.
It seems quite minor, and I've found no experimental results.

there was much more experimental results in a previously discussed e-cat patent (a recent one with dogbone like heater).

to see the exchanges open
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Reaction heat is determined by the catalytic chemistry of atomic hydrogen on the catalyst.

Hi all

I said the E-Cat was safety certified in 2011; this was incorrect the safety certification was granted by the independent body SGS in 2012.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/105839897/EFA-rep-1107

Kind Regards w3alker

Quote from barty

6 kW/h for 6 months??
Very impressive catalytic effects...

surprising catalyst works for years, in this case, dissociation and recombination of hydrogen atoms into molecular hydrogen, Langmuir process/

"that you are defending a position"

Alain, exactly what position is George trying to defend?

Quote from Mary Yugo

Frank on E-catworld.com asked a very excellent question which points out a major inconsistency in the entire Rossi story -- how can the nickel be a catalyst if it is converted *entirely* from Ni-58 to Ni-62 during the Lugano Experiment? Note that the answer is highly evasive, typical for Rossi. The correct answer is "it can't be true" -- either it's wrong in the patent or it's wrong in the experiment report, or, as I suspect, it's wrong in both!

Mary Yugo;
Please note the Norman D. Cook and Andrea Rossi issued E-cat paper on ArXiv.

It is rather amusing that they also conclude as I did when I had read the Lugano report:
- that a 0,2% Ash sample is not likely to be representative of the total
- that there may be some isotopic separation going on with 30 days at High temperatures

And this is how they for formulate it
"The over- whelming abundance of 62Ni34 in the ash and the virtual absence of other isotopes might nonetheless be explained as a consequence of the sampling method. Because ToF-SIMS analysis was made on milligram samples obtained specifically at regions observed under the scanning electron microscope to have undergone morphological changes, it is possible that the 62Ni34 isotopes recoiled toward the surface of the Nickel grains."

And

"Nickel was found to be encrusted on the internal surface of the reactor, from which a 2 mg sample of “ash” was obtained near to the center of the charge. Starting with an initial charge of approximately 1 gram, it cannot be said that the 2 mg sample was necessarily representative of the entire Nickel charge..."

Who was awarded the potassium patent or was it deemed by Rossi and his legal team to be open source? Rossi's low heat reactor (1 Megawatt version) must use a potassium based fuel. A Lithium based fuel must run in a reactor with and operating temperature of over 1000C. Is Rossi conceding the Big cat and his tiger reactor subsystem as using and open source technology?

DGT used Potassium carbonate (K2CO3) as their fuel. This is the standard LENR catalyst. It has been used from the earliest times of LENR. Thermocore might have been the first to experiment with potassium. Potassium could support a fine LENR reactor design.

Melting point (891 °C (1,636 °F; 1,164 K)

Boiling point - decomposes.

A competitor of Rossi could develop a reactor that uses K2CO3 with no patent protection recourse from Rossi. I believe that Rossi is reserving the Lithium aluminum hydride fuel as a doorway to the direct conversion of the LENR reaction into electricity. This might be why Rossi made a point that the lithium based LENR patent was the first LENR patent to be set in place by Rossi’s team.

A way to get around the Rossi patent protection is to mix chemical compounds containing cesium, potassium and lithium together in proportions that are different from those specified by the Rossi patent.

Even if Mills does not discrib what he does in his technologies as LENR, as described by Mills in his patents, there are hundreds of chemical compound combinations that will support the LENR reaction.

These chemicals uses as fuel are not fundamental to LENR, it is what these fuels produce that results in LENR. Those more fundamental elements are nanoparticles of the proper sizes and aggregations comprised of elements and/or chemical compounds.

If you remember the story of how a LENR reaction melted and vaporized a hole in a lab table and then the reinforced concrete floor of a LENR lab just under the table, the various materials comprising that vaporized table and floor served as fuel of the LENR reaction in that amazing case.

For all those who accused Deflakion of stealing Rossi's technology. the Rossi LENR patent indicates that DGT(uses potassium) and Rossi (uses lithium) when down unrelated paths to create the LENR reaction.