Distinguishing non-belief and disbelief... on skepticism...

  • Eric
    Thanks for your advice which I value.

    First I ask is there an anomaly, yes I think that has been proven. Second can that anomaly be harnessed to do useful work, maybe, I don't think that has been proven at all. Third, if the anomaly can be harnessed to do useful work, can it be commercialised.


    Of course I am uncertain as to the nature of the 'anomoly' and I think it is right to have these discussions which I think are very productive.


    Tom


    I value a great deal what you say and I am aware that the discourse is essential. If I have appeared disrespectful in any way I apologise for that, my interest in this thread is to explore the damaging effects of the psychological warfare which appears to be a characteristic of the 'reputation trap' which Huw Price claims frustrates progress by alienating main stream scientists. Some contributors clearly 'muddy the waters' (please excuse the juxtaposition) but others who might be considered 'sceptic's' or perhaps 'debunkers' have an important role to play in the discovery process to encourage greater clarity and detail to be exercised by the claimants.


    I tend to loose concentration when contributors attack each others person rather than their position.

  • Here is some substance from Il Douche:



    Maybe Rossi is starting to lose it altogether? Or can someone figure out what he even means?
    Last I remember, in JONP and interviews, Rossi claimed that he sold and delivered a megawatt plant to the US Military in 2011 and this was followed by 12 more orders! So if you believe Rossi, you believe that? And what exactly does this latest nonsense actually mean?


    And frankwtu, never have I see someone so clearly renounce substance in favor of form. It's pitiful. We're discussing science and technology here -- not writing ability or use of language.

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    Frank... Mary mentions she wants to make a list of people who are apparently due some kind of reprisal / atavistic vengeance. I called this an "enemies list", in an attempt to make it sound slightly less alarming.

    Are you really that stupid, Slad? The purpose of a list would be to keep people accountable. Traditionally, when a scam like Rossi's goes belly up, everyone forgets who supported it and how unpleasant, sarcastic, arrogant and nasty they were in doing so. The perfect example is Defkalion. Disappeared without a trace and all the abrasive and idiotic rhetoric supporting their impossible claims has been forgotten along with all the morons who wrote it. Those folks (the morons) are now free to influence as best they can, whatever community they write for, to support such crappola as Rossi's fraud and all the other unsupported claimants like Miley, Swartz, Nanospire and Brillouin which are likely to come to absolutely nothing at substantial cost.


    So an enemies list? Hardly. Just a list of hapless gullibles who, in their next foray into supporting garbage, should be seen for what they are. Like you, for example, dear Slad.


    Of course, in the vanishingly tiny possibility that one of the claimants really has something, it would be a hero's list, now, wouldn't it? Logic doesn't seem to be Slad's long suit.


    frankwtu

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    I tend to loose concentration when contributors attack each others person rather than their position.


    You mean like Slad insists on doing? He must really mess up your concentration!

  • Mary


    If I were on this forum for the same reasons as Thomas, (i.e. fun) then I think I might quite enjoy your interjections. While it is perhaps worthwhile seeing the brighter side of life, little in your comments inspires me in my quest to seek insight into the often complex and very sensitive characteristics of 'discovery' in this field. Some of the things you say appear to be based on 'evidence' which is then diluted by the personal attacks which characterise your contributions. I will continue to read your posts and try to ignore the incessant 'ad homs' in the hope of finding a gem but I fear should there be such gems they will be heavily camouflaged. It makes my quest that much harder, but then perhaps you don't mind this.


    I tend to loose concentration when contributors attack each others person rather than their position.


    I hardly thought that comment would be like a red rag to a bull, but not just any bull, a bull in a china shop it seems.


    Best regards
    Frank

  • Tell me Frank, did you follow the Defkalion story from the start? At all? How about you, Slad? What do you two think about it?

  • Mary


    I know that Defkalion failed but not the complete story. I know many people on this forum are frustrated with the quality of information coming from Rossi, but I don't follow him. What interests me is the science and the quality of the science and particularly the quality of reporting on that science. Now I know you have your views and I don't discount them, you may be right. But you may be wrong also. I have my views about the influence of ad homs on the discovery process which I think is negative whatever the outcome.


    And frankwtu, never have I see someone so clearly renounce substance in favor of form. It's pitiful. We're discussing science and technology here -- not writing ability or use of language.


    So, you claim to be discussing science and technology, okay I see some evidence of that but your writing skills do let you down.

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