[IMPORTANT] Trolling and insulting users / Forum rules

Chapter 1 page 1" How to Win Friends and Influence People". There is no such thing as a Bad Guy. Everyone believes in their own goodness. Therefore I beieve in them too. Only if they betray themselves and me do I abandon my faith in them.

So, as an empiricist, if someone tells me for instance that the results of the Quantum Erasure Experiment imply that history is backloaded to support the present observation then I must concur, no matter if my "common sense" is screaming at me that this cannot be true.

To my mind a Troll is someone whose paradigms are in conflict with the empirical evidence and he (invariably a he) takes out his neurosis on someone else or on the cat. If he cannot accept the presented evidence the onus is upon him to redo the experiment.

I should not be exposed to his nervous breakdown. He must pay a psychiatrist for that.

Ignore the trolls. They are harmless. If anything, they provide a useful window on the world, because their views are widespread.

Having seen 'independent ecat news' degenerate into a cesspit of insult, put-downs, 'pack-mentality' gang attacks and downright intimidation, I hope that doesn't happen here.

I am aware that late last year some residents of ecat news suggested moving here because that place had become so poisoned that it had become boring.

I don't necessarily disagree with many of the points and logic that get expressed there but do find the venom so many of the resident 'pseudo-skeptics' resort to, to be too much. The converse is the random drive by 'shooters' who are LENR fanatics who pop up there seeking revenge attacks.

So, for me, it has been how long will it take that mob to destroty this forum.

If particular members get banned, I can assure you that they are highly likely to have been banned over the years, from many other forums. It is in their DNA.

Doug Marker DSM

Когда мы можем классифицировать пользователя как тролля или нарушитель, оторвать голову

I have no opinion about this dispute.

I like trolls, they are useful to train us to fight.

I prefer firstly Admin will create hidden thread. I think he kows mnimum 10 nicks, he believe there are not trolls. After whille this nicks together with Admin will decide on further possibility.
Sorry for my english, I hope Your understand me.
E_man

(Sorry for my cross-post from another thread, but this is an important topic.)

In my view this would be a far less interesting and informative site if a litmus of blind belief was applied to posts, and posters.

Please, let us not resort to banning any civil discussion of the fascinating subject of LENR. Unicorns, dancing on the F9 key, are entertaining for only so long; a spirited investigation of experimental reports of LENR are of far more interest to me.

This forum is interesting, and relevant, because of its tolerance of an exchange of a broad range of perspectives, experience, and views. I hope that tolerance continues.

What happened after that? Is he still banned? If so, why?

We must abandon the model if it is not in agreement with the empirical evidence. This is what separates science from religion.

Branzell,

for your 1) you are wrong.

For 2) this does not prove that nature can not produce nuclear reactions without power packages of ionizing radiation. You just state what we know so far.

This is what drives a scientist: curiosity and a need to understand Nature. Now then, you may think we have reached the end of Science. But I think not. Nature have still mysteries to be solved. Like LENR.

or to repeat what Dr. Peter Hagelstein said of excess heat if F&P type experiments:"we have experiments confirming the basic effect, we have experiments showing that energy is produced, that the energetic reaction products aren’t there, and the question is what to do about it. Actually, we should be very interested in these experiments. We should be interested, because we have experimental results which by now have been confirmed a great number of times. We learned about nature from doing experiments. So, here are experimental results. Can we, should we pay attention to them? Follow them up, see, where they lead? Today, sadly, the experiments in the cold fusion business are not considered to be part of science. And that’s the resolution that we have come to as the scientific community. From my perspective, having been in labs, having seen the results, having talked to experimentalists, having looked at the data, having spent great time on it, it looks like pretty much these experiments are real. They need to be taken seriously."

I am not inclined to baby-sit adults, Mary Yugo. Every adult at every moment is engaged in calculated risk/reward gambles. Mr Darwin remarked on this.
To assume that the legal system dispenses justice would be naieve. Italy has the Cosa Nostra.
I concern myself with the science and that means the empirical evidence.

Yes.
Allow Mr Darwin to do his job. He has had a lot of practice.
Baby sitting adults is a distraction and should be dealt with on another platform.
If you wish to take up the cudgels to protect us from ourselves may I suggest that there is richer fare on Wall St.
Google Karen Hudes. She is doing remarkably well in that field and could do with some help.
http://kahudes.net/

There you go with your models again.
LENR is strong on empirical evidence and weak on models. The reverse of what you say.

@"Trolling and insulting users / Forum rules"

Has there ever been a post on this Forum that directly related to furthering LENR related to helium fusion? Well maybe one that I recall. Now, this is an insult to the users. Maybe what Dylan was alluding to in it's all "Blowin in the Wind"?

I'm personally a believer in LENR based on scientific evidence, but I welcome polite discussion and interaction with skeptics.

I prefer NEVER to use name calling, and in particular labels like "troll" or "pathoskeptic" should never be applied in polite discourse. These are ad hominem attacks that add nothing the discussion -- they are noise and therefore lower the signal to noise ratio.

Impolite users, or users who simply repeat unsupported attacks over and over are not adding to the discussion, and this should be actively discouraged. Ad hominem attacks should not be tolerated, i.e. [target] is a complete [derisive characterization].

So in short, Mary Yugo -- bring it on politely, yet judiciously. I find that Mr/Ms Yugo's skepticism sharpens my investigation into LENR, and occasionally reminds me of non-corroborating evidence that I had long forgotten.

This is my first post on this forum. I have been following you for about a year as a guest. I don't have a lot to say, as I am here to learn. The forum quality has a lot of effect on visitors and guests, and many of them go away if the trolling level is too great. Too much trolling and the uninitiated can't tell the difference between facts and chanting. One of the professionals recently commented in this thread to ignore the trolls, but that is easier for one who is experienced and knows the facts and history of LENR.

I don't have a quantitative answer to keep the trolling down, but it seems to me that it is recently becoming a problem.