Implications of Signal, Seeing into the Cat with X-Rays - Video from MFMP

  • Here we have an interesting new video from MFMP
    Many thanks to Bob & co for share with us,



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    Here is a "bad hand waving" video from MFMP Volunteer Bob Greenyer where he discusses the understanding of the E-Cat that developed between 16-22nd February as a direct result of seeing two shapes of EM radiation emitted from the *GlowStick* 5.2 Experiment.










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  • The video was all good except as follows:


    The only function that the lead shielding served in the october 2011 test of the Rossi reactor was to shield that short gamma burst that preceded overunity heat production cycle. The function of the lead was not to melt in response to a continuing flow of radiation. Only a short sub second radiation burst occurred at startup in the initial Rossi reactor design.


    After that october 2011 test the addition of the AC heater in a reactor redesign removed the need for the gamma shielding. The AC heater stopped the gamma burst from occurring.


    A continuing flow of gamma came out of the DGT reactor because the 24kv dc arc destroyed the Bose condensate on each reheat cycle when the arc produced a large magnetic field. This DGT arc design was not a good one because that design produced a continual flow of gamma radiation and now I know why Rossi did not copy it.


    Beta decay has a long half life that was not seen in this experiment. The burst lasted just a fraction of a second. What radioactive isotope would decay so fast and so completely?

  • This is pure genius, the lead brings the heat! What a flashback to 2011. We are so use to see Rossis new hot cat, not these flat reactors with watercoling.


    When I see this I get even more astounded by the new hot cat and xcat reactors. He just keeps on innovating.


    We we are quite literally 5 years behind Andrea Rossi.

  • Great detective work !
    So.. the heart of it is: terahertz radiation directed at hydrogen loaded nickel; NASA was thinking of doing this...


    This sounds exactly like what Brillouin Energy is doing. They call it their Q pulse, they even have patented an IC to perform this terahertz generation.
    The Rossi effect relies upon terahertz radiation brought on by varying heat and pressure over time, Brillouin has a digital equivalent where terahertz frequencies can be immediately turned on and off, up or down. Brillouin currently has a reported COP of 4 and say they can go much higher. Interesting to see which approach will win out with consumers.

  • The problem with looking for very low level gammas, as here, is that there are many mundane sources from the environment. Isolating these is quite tricky. Also, when your NaI detector is 2cm (sic) away from your 1000C reactor there must be issues about temperature. This one-off very regular result looks to me like a glitch - but it could be a temperature-induced soft error.

  • Well, the elevated background continuum wasn't really convincing to me, but the animated gif on their web site started to tickle my confidence. And now, with Bob Greenyer making jazz hands just when the "huge" signal hits, it's truly undeniable. No one can maintain skepticism against *that* presentation. I'm a puddle of admiration.

  • Alan,
    I agree on Defkalion. I have noticed several people site them. I thought that they were discredited and just went poof. I never got an answer on why they are still referenced.

    If you or anyone finds an answer to this I would really appreciate it. When people continue to quote BS I just wonder why? Maybe I am missing something.

  • Alan,
    I agree on Defkalion. I have noticed several people site them. I thought that they were discredited and just went poof. I never got an answer on why they are still referenced.

    If you or anyone finds an answer to this I would really appreciate it. When people continue to quote BS I just wonder why? Maybe I am missing something.




    Dr. Kim worked on those Defkalion experiments and anything he says is absolutely true. Kim is the best of the best. Show me a opinion that contradicts Kim's integrity and I will show you a liar.


    Defkalion ran out of money and the president of Defkalion was disreputable as it turns out. The engineers were top notch.

  • Thanks Axil for the reply you were one of several people that I was referring to. That cleared it up.
    On a different note reading yours (and others) on bose pairs I found an interesting link that fits in on high temperature semi conductors.
    Maybe string theory mechanics can help...
    https://www.sciencedaily.com/r…/2015/02/150212065135.htm




    I beleive that the black hole duality exists in LENR. Whenever energy is confined in a dark mode object, it behaves just like a black hole. Hydrogen rydberg matter (HRM) stores energy in a dark mode and therefore acts like a black hole. The energy content of the HRM is thermalized as hawking radiation. The spectrum is thermal.


    In addition, string theory also predicts that when all the energy is depleted from the black hole, any addition energy the tries to enter the "Negative Energy Bubble" that the black hole becomes produces mesons through hydronaliation.


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hadronization


    This is seen in Holmlids work. I don't push these ideas because people are not ready for them, I get a lot of criticism for them, and maybe in 20 years, thing will be better.

  • Well, the elevated background continuum wasn't really convincing to me, but the animated gif on their web site started to tickle my confidence. And now, with Bob Greenyer making jazz hands just when the "huge" signal hits, it's truly undeniable. No one can maintain skepticism against *that* presentation. I'm a puddle of admiration.



    A little sarcasm, perhaps even some jealousy in your post JC? Cheap shot about the "jazz hands" by the way. I thought BG did a fantastic job. I wave my hands more talking with my neighbors. Maybe it was the cast that attracted your attention?


    I do detect a little stepping back from your hyper-skep stance elsewhere. If so...is it due minute 33 of the video, where BG tells of the French Nuclear Agency *confirming* MFMPs suspicions about the nature of the "burst"?


    Or the part about the Oct. 6 2011 test you so convincingly cast doubt upon over the years? I think your theory was that the mass within was designed to store the heat for nefarious reasons, and not to absorb the gammas? Somewhere today I also read someone else saying the same.

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    Dr. Kim worked on those Defkalion experiments and anything he says is absolutely true. Kim is the best of the best. Show me a opinion that contradicts Kim's integrity and I will show you a liar.


    This is a very absolutist view of the world, which leaves no room for human mistakes. Only God is perfect.

  • Thomas, may I suggest that when you quote somebody you also give us a hint as to the author of the quote. This will make it easier for the reader find the context if he finds the quote interesting. It may also save the reader some time if he decides on a statistical basis that it isn't.

  • Thomas, may I suggest that when you quote somebody you also give us a hint as to the author of the quote. This will make it easier for the reader find the context if he finds the quote interesting. It may also save the reader some time if he decides on a statistical basis that it isn't.


    The above type of quote doesn't work for me on my Pad. It does work from my laptop. I'm not sure if it is browser or operating system related. I haven't tested it. (posted using Firefox)

  • H-G,
    I was generally commenting on the forum Quote function, since you indirectly brought it up.
    I agree that supplying a source is useful, if it won't automatically work.
    Sometimes way more people post ahead of what I think is going to be the next response in line.

  • Oh, and here is a scrubbed signal image.
    Spectra 24 was used as a background, and removed three times consecutively (until the K40 peaks totally disappeared) from Spectra 7.
    Not the correct way, but effective at almost totally eliminating any excessive "normal" background contribution to the signal.
    (There is almost no other dots left on the spectra.)

  • Looks like MFMP is toning it down a bit, as they discretely released this new MFMP video 2 days ago. I assume it is part of the video series slowly being introduced to prove a common radiation signature? This latest ties in Piantelli's radiation observations, with MFMPs GS-2 results:



    Bob is very good at explaining complex things simply, as he does in this video. He doesn't wave his hands much in this one either. :)

  • There are a number of items that don’t fit into this description of the signal.


    1 - The signal only persists for 4 seconds and only appears once and only once in a very long test. If the signal was a result of a process that caused excess heat, it would persist as long as the excess heat was being produced.


    This one time burst of EMF looks like a change of state where the LENR process is beginning. The burst looks like photon radiation being released from a storage mechanism as the mechanism is changing state from many individual randomized incoherent photon holders to a coherent and entangled Bose condensate.


    It is this photon based Bose condensate (like a laser) that produces excess heat and eliminates further high energy EMF emissions.


    2 – Why is X-rays seen in the Defkalion system and not the Rossi system.


    The DGT system destroys the Bose condensate each time the high voltage spark in produced and it take time to get the Bose condensate established again. This time of incoherent behavior is when high energy radiation is produced.


    In the Rossi system, the Bose condensate once formed continues to thermalize the nuclear binding energy catalyzed by the LENR reaction without a break.


    This leads to a prediction. Once excess heat is seen in a system, an application of a large magnetic field will produce a burst of high energy EMF after which thermalization of that EMF will begin again when the magnetic field is removed.


    3 - If the EMF seen in the burst was from Bremsstrahlung or "braking radiation", a sharp peak of radiation would appear when the electron is produced. These peaks are called “characteristic lines” where the beta emission is generating the electrons.
     


    Since no characteristic lines are seen, electrons or negative ions are not being produced as the source of EMF.

  • 3 - If the EMF seen in the burst was from Bremsstrahlung or "braking radiation", a sharp peak of radiation would appear when the electron is produced. These peaks are called “characteristic lines” where the beta emission is generating the electrons.


    If the bremsstrahlung arise within the active core, in order to get characteristic x-rays there must be atoms with inner shell orbitals whose binding energy is sufficiently high to produce x-rays that can penetrate out of the reactor body. This will not obviously happen with nickel or aluminum.