[feedquote='E-Cat World','http://www.e-catworld.com/2016/02/28/rossi-e-cat-x-can-produce-electricity-and-no-heat/']Thanks to Artefact for posting this interesting Q&A from the Journal of Nuclear Physics today, which gives some interesting new information about what the E-Cat X is capable of. “Amos February 28, 2016 at 5:51 AM Dear Mr. Rossi, Is the energy density & power density of the E-Cat X the same as the E-Cat? […][/feedquote]
Rossi: E-Cat X Can Produce Electricity and No Heat
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How is it possible without violating the 2nd law of thermodynamic?
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How is it possible without violating the 2nd law of thermodynamic?
Inducedbeta decayelectron capture is one possibility. -
Best hypothesis is that Rossi forget to say you have to cool the reactor, even if you waste that heat...
Even if the reactor was an electric machinery (PV cell, betavoltaic, electromechanical) it would dissipate some heat.
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I think many here would agree that the best hypothesis is that this statement from Rossi is as true as his many previous technical comments.
EDIT - in view of the -1 let me reprase this comment.
Rossi has over the last five years made a very large number of off-hand technical comments - often in answer to questions where he says something that sounds positive. Correlating these comments, they have a very low degree of internal consistency. Thus for example at the time that there was speculation Rossi had an Ni -> Cu reaction Rossi stated that 62Ni (or was it some other isotope) was needed as fuel, converted to Cu, and he had a very cheap method to generate this. Whereas now this seems out of date.
100% conversion from nuclear activity to electricity is inconceivable. If the available energy is all present as K.E. of charged products then there are well known direct conversion schemes. Getting up to even 80% on these schemes is difficult. It also requires a very large amount of volume. You need a spherical collector. You need enough space for a voltage of 1MV or so (depending on product energy) to exist without breakdown or spontaneous emission.
If you suppose Rossi is a genius who has refined and commercialised a Focardi LENR process fair enough - in my judgement that is absurd, but many here think otherwise. To add to that the invention and commercialisation of a very complex direct conversion scheme that has high efficiency is quite absurd - and stays absurd whatever your a priori view as to the likelihood of LENR.
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How is it possible without violating the 2nd law of thermodynamic?
How about dark energy, does that violate the 2nd law of thermodynamics?
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Inducedbeta decayelectron capture is one possibility.How is the beta decay induced? Does this decay involve the production of mesons in the same way as happens in Holmlid's experiments? Are the electrons produced by a violation of CPT symmetry. Are the electrons a decay product of muons?
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How is the beta decay induced?
By a superabundance of electron charge in the nucleus through some nonequilibrium mechanism. The weak interaction has a cross section, and although it is very small, having additional electron density in the nucleus will have an effect analogous to increasing a flux of incident particles, thereby increasing the reaction rate. (Note my proposal was modified to be induced electron capture instead of induced beta decay, to account for the low amount of heat.)Does this decay involve the production of mesons in the same way as happens in Holmlid's experiments? Are the electrons produced by a violation of CPT symmetry. Are the electrons a decay product of muons?
I assume there is no meson production involved, as there is no need for it in the proposal above. Why make things needlessly complex and exotic? I consider it likely that Holmlid's results are being misinterpreted. The additional electron density might come from mundane but hard-to-model situations like arc discharges between metal grains and cases where there is a large imbalance in positive and negative charge on a metal grain. -
By a superabundance of electron charge in the nucleus through some nonequilibrium mechanism. The weak interaction has a cross section, and although it is very small, having additional electron density in the nucleus will have an effect analogous to increasing a flux of incident particles, thereby increasing the reaction rate. (Note my proposal was modified to be induced electron capture instead of induced beta decay, to account for the low amount of heat.)Do electrons exist in the nucleus? I thought that electrons existing in the nucleus was impossible. If anything that would come out of the nucleus, it would be sub-atomic particles containing quarks, that is mesons.
Why does the release of radiation last for just a single second. A nuclear decay process of an isotope has a half life that persist over a appreciable period of time.
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Do electrons exist in the nucleus? I thought that electrons existing in the nucleus was impossible. If anything that would come out of the nucleus, it would be sub-atomic particles containing quarks, that is mesons.As far I have data free neutron decay time is ~16min and it decay to proton+electron. GS5.2 data show posible positron drops to Ni nucleus.
X codename was "madame curie". Somekind of beta (alfa???) decay "battery" like device. No needs for charge cymmetry violation.
Have any idea what reaction chain rossi use? Or idea how he get betas/alfas out of core efficient enough to produce noticeable amount electric power?
Direct conversion is wet daydream but in solid material core losses are infernal??How if have solid core producing PeP. Then outher shell that holds H2+produced D2 pressure. Shell have made extraordinary material that allow only deuterium diffusion through it to surface where are made NAE enviroment suitable to fusion deuterium to alphas. Outside is ofcourse vacuum, suitable stimulus (infrared) and then collector for aplhas keept some megavolts. Vacuum is hold with pumps. Hmm, wait maybe extraordinary material is not needed if pumps efficient enough and ordinary hydrogen dosn't choke alfa NAE's badly.
Ofcourse these nanostructured NAE have direct antenna/horn that launch alfas just correct direction to hit 100% collector and have super tight energy spectrum spike that they all (100%) hit collector just 0.001ev energy left so core, collector and nae's dos'nt do any heat.
That nanostructured NAE is maybe produced nickel(/titanium/palladium) pipe surface with magnesium(calsium?) vapor deposition and have special crystall shapes derived from nickel pipe surface grain structure from complicated pre handling?
And if it not like this then this reciepe is free from patenting. Enjoy and give corrections and make it better. -
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How about dark energy, does that violate the 2nd law of thermodynamics?
How Dark energy, if it's ever existed, is violating the 2nd law of thermodynamic?
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Do electrons exist in the nucleus? I thought that electrons existing in the nucleus was impossible. If anything that would come out of the nucleus, it would be sub-atomic particles containing quarks, that is mesons.
Yes -- electrons (including bound ones) pass into and through the nucleus freely. Current explanations for electron capture and internal conversion assume this.Why does the release of radiation last for just a single second. A nuclear decay process of an isotope has a half life that persist over a appreciable period of time.
My hunch is that only during the brief moment that there is a superabundance of electron density does the decay rate ramp up, and with it, the release of radiation. As soon as the electron density goes back to steady state, the decay rate reverts to the normal one. -
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100% conversion from nuclear activity to electricity is inconceivable.
So, maximum COP of about 1800, then?
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Quote: “100% conversion from nuclear activity to electricity is inconceivable.”
So, maximum COP of about 1800, then?
No because electricity is produced when cop go over 1 then cop calculation go infinity. (cop=>1 is posible to device power itself)
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I've seen the "recipe" for the LENR reactor and the last step says beta radiation results from the reaction. Does anyone know of reports about the amount of beta electrons and how much electricity was made by the Ecat X ?
I started deigning thermoelectric generators to take advantage of heat produced by the Ecat X assuming it will generate heat and beta electrons.
How can it produce beta electricity and no heat? The stuff I invented will be useful for making electricity from the hot cat and for recovering energy from waste heat. Its possible that adding very high efficiency thermoelectric generators to a Hot cat will generate more energy than a batevoltaic Ecat X. I'm waiting for the details.Anyone who's interested in an R&D partnership should contact me at [email protected]
Funders will be given a % of the patent royalties form the product. -
It seems that Rossi found a way to shrift the low energy nuclear reaction to causing beta decay of the nickel fuel itself not by changing the nickel into an isotope that decay afterward into beta particles.
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No because electricity is produced when cop go over 1 then cop calculation go infinity. (cop=>1 is posible to device power itself)
Only until the fuel is gone. If the device eats itself, then that can't be too good. Maybe the COP would look infinite for a while...
COP is a bit of a accounting thing, based on deciding where the start and finish lines are. Electricity from the wall has it's own COP at the plant, etc.
I was thinking that H might be the fuel, and somehow electrons are extracted from it, perhaps as beta radiation minus conversion energy.
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Lars
March 1, 2016 at 7:48 PMCan the Quark power itself?
Andrea Rossi
March 1, 2016 at 9:18 PMLars:
Partly.
Warm Regards,
A.R.Awhile back, Rossi said that an E Cat X would need two other feeder units to become self powering. The small and cost effective size of the Quark now makes the clustered Quark system an infinite COP device able to be deployed anywhere off the grid: a self sufficient nuclear battery if you will.
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"E-Cat X Can Produce Electricity and No Heat"
Not only that, you will also get pie in the sky when you die.
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from eros: “No because electricity is produced when cop go over 1 then cop calculation go infinity. (cop=>1 is posible to device power itself)”Only until the fuel is gone. If the device eats itself, then that can't be too good.
Maybe the COP would look infinite for a while...Well that "eating" depens is mass same or diffrent after meal. If loose some weight E=mc²..
COP is not good thing to talk if electricity is produced. It is usable metering for heatpumps etc.
But after device powers itselv then..Quote
I was thinking that H might be the fuel, and somehow electrons are extracted from it, perhaps as beta radiation minus conversion energy.
Just for the sake of [lexicon]conversation[/lexicon]...you mean 1/1H(p, e+ ve)2/2D ?
Standard physical explanations says it is imposible in chemical enviroment, but..
