Rossi: We received ERV’s Report - Very pleased with results!

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    dartin: As one oil producer has replied to the question"What will you do when LENR is confirmed and marketed?". "Why, I'll buy it to use it to extract oil more cheaply"


    Hi all


    This is one of the major reasons the price of oil will continue to drop long after LENR takes the fuel market. I said some time ago that Saudi Arabia, Iran and the Russian Oil industry will be early adopters of LENR as it will enable them to kill of their competitors more quickly so that they own the majority of the post LENR oil market.


    Oil will still have value as a lubricant and as feeder stock chemical.


    There will also be a decreasing residual market for petrol and diesel in the change over and later volume will bottom out for vintage cars like these http://www.caranddriver.com/best-sports-cars which will be in museums and at classic car rallies of the future. At that point I think it possible that petrol and diesel as very scare products that few want will then become very expensive, perhaps as much as a $1000 gallon as with so few customers it will rarely be worth oil companies making fossil fuel from oil.



    Kind Regards walker

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    THANKS for the welcome and sorry to all, in advance, because my quite poor English Language ability.


    Welcome here Prof. Celani! And thanks for all your efforts over the decades! Your English appears to be nearly flawless. Do not hesitate a moment to express yourself... we are all aliens to perfect English, in my humble opinion. And we all should remember that Romans occupied England for some 450 years! So there is a deep common heritage.

    Shane wrote:

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    I hope this doesn't describe Fabio Penon, who did the first "successful" Hotcat "Independent Test" in July 2012? "Fabio Penon , M.Eng. (Nuclear Engineer, Product Certification Specialist)"


    Here you can download the CV of Fabio Penon, ingeniera nucleare:
    https://www.google.se/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=5&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwia36agh-nLAhUlEJoKHTbEA8kQFgg1MAQ&url=http%3A%2F%2Fone33.robyone.net%2FDownload.aspx%3Fid%3D8118%26cid%3D81%26sid%3D26&usg=AFQjCNHnX6yYR11OmfFWSimJ9vemc1lYgQ&sig2=pkEkRBardL5XcWfps-W2yg


    Fabio Penon is 58 years old, could fit with "around 50- 55".

    "Francesco, We still have to wait.. We still have a lot of things to discover about LENR, you know..Therefore, the cake should be more bigger than just for next seven sisters..Trust in me". David Fojet.
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    *Dear David,


    I think that the key point is AVOID, from now, that the monopoly control of LENR effects (severals, I agree) will bring the mankind to the next 4° World War (the 3° is running, as Pope Francesco several times claimed).
    Moreover, some economical advantages to the people involved in the LENR studies are NECESSARY: our duty is to show to the (rich/powerful) "decision makers" that risky researches, in the whole, are profitable.


    Francesco CELANI

    Dear Francesco Celani,


    thank you very much for joining our community!
    It is hard to express my feelings with words, but thank you for all your work!


    I want also to congratulate to Mr. Rossi, I have belief in his work from the beginning. He is exceptional person that is giving 120% from himself to reach desired target.
    Thankfully I do not have to believe in LENR, I know it is working.


    It is time for celebrations. But this is just beginning. We have to fully understand the process.
    There is much, much more to study in the universe. Yet unimaginable things are possible, but mankind must evolve first.

    (dartin: As one oil producer has replied to the question"What will you do when LENR is confirmed and marketed?". "Why, I'll buy it to use it to extract oil more cheaply")


    What may happen is that it will become difficult to raise money to drill for oil => oil income becomes exclusive domain of those who can produce it cheaply like Saudi Arabia and Iran.
    Will this drive the price of oil up or will the knowledge that, like coal, most oil will eventually be left in the ground force the price downward toward $7.00 plus shipping.


    The prospect of inexpensive electricity does not cause all gasoline cars to go away overnight. I drive a Tesla and am hoping to have a home LENR generator to charge it up.


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    The prospect of inexpensive electricity does not cause all gasoline cars to go away overnight.


    Exactly (Hi!). I originally read some material promoting LENR as for sale to the oil companies. Oil stored in oil tankers needs massive heat application before pumping, etc, etc. There are other applications in the oil infrastructure.

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    Quote from Francesco CELANI


    I think that the key point is AVOID, from now, that the monopoly control of LENR effects (severals, I agree) will bring the mankind to the next 4° World War (the 3° is running, as Pope Francesco several times claimed).
    Moreover, some economical advantages to the people involved in the LENR studies are NECESSARY: our duty is to show to the (rich/powerful) "decision makers" that risky researches, in the whole, are profitable.


    Francesco CELANI


    For example, in Germany the policy that is normally responsible to accompany such a process like this disruptive energy transition and should be in charge to guide LENR paths very sensible, reacts with total rejection! LENR, Cold Fusion? does not exist !!! Done!!! No further comments and no involvement with the subject and not even on single analysis of the impact that virtually 'free' energy will have to the society and people.


    The subject will be treated, but for sure to late, when the first negative effects hit the highly subsidized German energy economy and they will react almost certainly wrong, with losses of million of jobs, and billons of costs, just because no one can advise them, because all the highly paid consultants they have will continue to say - LENR, Cold Fusion? does not exist !!! Done!!! even when the first LENR plants are running!


    A vicious circle!

    Cold Fusion synthesis exists in crust due to terrestrial electricity. It is necessary to know planet model Earth and we will find Cold Fusion synthesis, it is, but it not the main process, but passing. You watch a subject in Google - model of the planet.!

    Нефть - это кровь планеты, надо сделать модель планеты и мы получим генератор Тарасенко, эта энергия покорит вселенную! :lenr:

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    Beware of an apparent scammer named JuddyLove who claimed to have found my name on this forum.She seems to be trying to use the old Nigerian scam, trying to solicit help in retrieving large sums of money deposited in Bank of Scotland.


    Don't worry Iggy, we are far too skeptic for that! ;)

    Dear me356 (replication moderator),


    thanks for the nice and kind words of "welcome" to me.


    * BTW, I agree, fully, with You that: "there is much more to study in the Universe".


    Now, all of Us have the duty, and PRIVILEGE, to understand the secrets (and extremely difficults) paths of (several) LENR reactions, ASAP!!!


    Francesco CELANI

    Celani: "Now, all of Us have the duty, and PRIVILEGE, to understand the secrets (and extremely difficults) paths of (several) LENR reactions, ASAP!!!"


    Excactly!


    And What is the final mysterious mechanism used by Rossi that gives him the COP of 6, 12 or whatever number, since the "Replicators" have achieved either none or low excess heat so far.

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    Dr. Celani,


    I would also like to add my welcome! L-F seems to be establishing itself as the meeting place where past and present LENR professionals, and hobbyists alike, can talk shop or the latest human interest developments. It has been interesting for me to watch. Certainly it is very healthy for the field to have such a place as this, with it's instant and open communication.


    Hopefully this report will be a clean one, and you non-commercially oriented researchers can lay to rest the question of "is it real", and get the funding, and support necessary to determine the how, and why.


    Take care.

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    As I feel from the mass of published articles on LENR, there is room for thousands of teams to work on varied facets of LENR.
    E-cat seems a very specific and not so common effect.
    Pr Celani wires are another direction.
    There are many other phenomenon, zeolithes, plasmoids, electrolysis, protons conductors, laser, THz, powders, and not enough trained teams today.


    The epiphany we expect (not so sure, knowing the entrenched groupthink) will be good for all.
    It will not only allow money to flow, but also will free many dynamic actors, public labs, industry researchers in specialty domains (nanopowders, petro-chemistry, electrolysis), mainstream investors, of the fear of public critics.


    More and more I get report than many LENR phenomenons are known in the industry.
    Among them there is the Didier Grass accident report made in Avignon, and the anecdotal report by Statoil reported to Brillouin. As I've heard, F&P experiments were inspired by such industrial experience about excess heat in PdD electrolysis.
    I know there is more, and those industrial experts, once free of the fear of mindguards, will help the LENR community, and even try to enter the field actively.


    The public (or decision makers) Epiphany on LENR may be the greatest present Andrea Rossi and Tom Darden will do to the human species.
    For the remaining need, sure there is talents and money to implement all we need, and even have choice.

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    Celani: "Now, all of Us have the duty, and PRIVILEGE, to understand the secrets (and extremely difficults) paths of (several) LENR reactions, ASAP!!!"


    Excactly!


    And What is the final mysterious mechanism used by Rossi that gives him the COP of 6, 12 or whatever number, since the "Replicators" have achieved either none or low excess heat so far.


    The replicators do not yet use the "Cat" and "Mouse" activation strategy. The activator will not exceed 1.2 COP. Only be using multiple "Cats" will high COP by achieved.


    See


    Rossi: Leonardo ‘Warship’ Ready With Robotics to Rapidly Produce Low Price E-Cats, ‘Burn Out’ Competition

    Axil, you seem to be forgetting that Rossi claimed COP 6 long before the cat ate the mouse.


    This COP is what you get when you heat water to the boiling point and believe or pretend that all the water has turned into steam. The less you pretend the less the COP will be. When you stop pretending altogether the COP will be less than 1 just as it is in my electric water heater.

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