Press Release - Cold Fusion (LENR) Verified - Inventor Sues Industrial Heat, LLC.

Rossi is now claiming that the ash will be tested. (He did not promise to give away the results).

"I extracted samples that now are under analysis. I want SIMS and SEM done."
JoNP Today, April 7, 2016

Oh dear.

Extracted from his reactor, or [lexicon]IH[/lexicon]'s reactor I wonder...

optimist!

Optimist, sometimes.
But it seems to me that the 1 MW reactor was paid for in full by [lexicon]IH[/lexicon]. I'm not convinced that Rossi can be allowed to collect anything from it, even if his IP is in it.

Now, if a truly independent party collected samples from all the reactors, and analyzed those, for the Court perhaps....

Going back to Cherokee registering "luxenergy" domains: back then I thought it was related to the E-catX, but now it seems that this would be about a competitor of Rossi.

If both parties signed off on ERV and ERV attests to high COP, then Leonardo is in position of strength.
If Rossi is financially able, he should proceed with mass production. If his products succeed, then that
would help prove his case.

They own the 1 MW plant coz they paid for it. That's what the initial $1.5m was for.

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If both parties signed off on ERV and ERV attests to high COP, then Leonardo is in position of strength.If Rossi is financially able, he should proceed with mass production. If his products succeed, then that would help prove his case.

Given [lexicon]IH[/lexicon]'s statements it is difficult to imagine they would agree with the 1 year test being positive. They can easily get some tame scientist to look at the report and do a critique. If it is anything like Penon's last report that will not be good. They can similarly note bad methodology on the two previous tests (Penon 24 hour and Lugano) and the known error in the Lugano results that gives the false reading. They can say that since the Penon 24 hour test used similar methodology (no control) it could similarly have been in error. Against that background not accepting another report from Penon is only reasonable.

[lexicon]IH[/lexicon] can admit that they originally believed Rossi's tests were good, and only after much work have been able to establish that they are not good.

Rossi is not in a strong position because it will be clear that if he cannot help [lexicon]IH[/lexicon] to get their reactors to work the IP is worthless. Both Rossi and [lexicon]IH[/lexicon] had very strong motives for wanting to get the reactors to work, so conspiracy here does not seem plausible.

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And according to Rossi this (according to [lexicon]IH[/lexicon]) not working plant is still in operation with refueled charges... Lots of contradictions to resolve.

There is no contradiction as long as you realise that Rossi's definition of "operation" is giving an apparent positive result in one of his test setups.

His worry over Lugano must have been real. Would the Profs find the same excess heat that he hoped they would? We now know that proper processing of the data they collected would have burst the bubble, even without control.

My criticism here is directed to those - the Lugano Profs, Penon, [lexicon]IH[/lexicon] who think that such a test can properly be believed without real controls. This applies to both the 24 hour test and Lugano.

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Quote from Contrarian: “Quote from Thomas Clarke: “Quote: “Does one have to provide a completely coherent and proven theory to proceed with productization of an apparent heat source?”

Absolutely not, and if commercialisation ever happens I will…

I should have have provided a link to the latest results of brilliant Light Power.

http://brilliantlightpower.com/plasma-video/

Contrarian:

the continuous pulsed system does not have any data more convincing than the instrumented single pulses. These have calorimetric analyses that show excess heat of a few 100J, and maybe 50% higher than the applied input power.

Unfortunately this is a very high power transient discharge and suffers many uncertainties that are difficult to quantify so no sensible scientist would view the calorimetric analyses as being safe. Also the excess energy is easily within chemical limits and the extremely highe temperatures acheived means that unusual chemical reactions are entirely possible.

Thus no-one, from this test, can be confident that any analysis is correct, and the data does not indicate some extraordineary mechanism. BLPs previous cells were easier to measure.

BLP have an impressive arc welding demo. For it to be anything else they have to show the behaviour lies outside normal physics and chemistry. They have not even remotely done that. But it looks good.

PS - if the +50% excess is real then in principle they could do calorimetry on the continuous system from a mains electrical input to integrated heat output, this avoiding the transient input and output power issues. That would be interesting. But I think it exceptionally unlikley they would show a heat excess in a properly instrumented continuous experiment.

PPS One issue here is dhared with Brillouin. Once you have high power electrical transients you have to be very careful to ensure your instrumentation is not affected. This is an additional source of uncertainty on top of other issues.

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Thus no-one, from this test, can be confident that any analysis is correct, and the data does not indicate some extraordineary mechanism. BLPs previous cells were easier to measure.

Here I agree with Thomas. The Voltage may be low but the current is very high which leads to extraordinary strong fields, which finally can speed up any moving ionized atoms. Magnetic fields persist as long as ionized material is moving.
Don't trust any optical impression. Stay with careful calorimetry.

Mills spectral distribution measurements are far more convincing.

I looked Rossi 8/2015 patent. It seems to be quite worthless. No theory of working. Only device that can be construct quite easilly other ways so it is very weak patent. Hard to belive it is worth of 100M$. IH have some brains and see it low value, so they don't need such license and don't pay.
With real patent with usable LENR theory (without new imaginary physics), working method and device in right hands it can give whole world ownership so it value is more than current whole world value, because with extensive LENR usage during 20years it improve world +reachable universe so much more valuable than hard to imagine. That is future.

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Quote from Thomas Clarke: “Thus no-one, from this test, can be confident that any analysis is correct, and the data does not indicate some extraordineary mechanism. BLPs previous cells were easier to measure.”

Here I agree with Thomas. The Voltage…

Mills believes that the latest demo shows high enough power to be convincing since the input power was was a few KW. It's run under an inert atmosphere so nothing is burning. Using the Stephan Boltzmann relation and given the measured temperature and size of the plasma of around 5000K and around half a square meter, the power output seems quite high given the input.

I think Mills realizes critics will jump through all kinds of loops claiming it must be this or that but it seems he simply doesn't care what they say and is moving ahead.

Yes, the spectral distribution, especially from EUV and UV mode to blackbody mode is impressive. That's hard to fake.

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Contrarian:

the continuous pulsed system does not have any data more convincing than the instrumented single pulses. These have calorimetric analyses that show excess heat of a few 100J, and maybe 50% higher than the applied input power.

Unfortunately…

Looking at at the output of the plasma videos, it's clear that far more energy is being liberated than is used to trigger the reaction. Look at the massive amounts of silver being vaporized. That takes a lot of energy, certainly more than is input. And clearly the spectrum changes from EUV to blackbody which would not happen if these were all stray effects due to the high current and associated fields. No, it's consistent with what it's supposed to be.

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Looking at at the output of the plasma videos, it's clear that far more energy is being liberated than is used to trigger the reaction. Look at the massive amounts of silver being vaporized. That takes a lot of energy, certainly more than is input. And clearly the spectrum changes from EUV to blackbody which would not happen if these were all stray effects due to the high current and associated fields. No, it's consistent with what it's supposed to be.

It would be a lot of work for me to do that quantitative analysis - perhaps you could post yours? I'm only gpoing from the single short (which should be the same) figures given by the invited and published reports. They are near enough 1 given the high errors in this experiment and the fact that IH will obviously publish the more favourable analyses.

LENR is like dynamite. Nitroglycerin was invented by 'who knows' and is unstable and likely to blow up on you if you ship it.
The name that everyone knows is Alfred Noble because he made dynamite by mixing nitroglycerin with sawdust and patenting it. From the profits, we have Noble prizes.

LENR is working and can produce COP > 20 for sure but the higher the COP the less stable it seems to be. Tom Darden is trying to become the fellow who got one of his engineers to stabilize LENR so that it could become practical.
If he accomplishes his goal, he will be the new Alfred Noble and nobody will remember all the people who invented nitroglycerin or all the forms of LENR that are documented in the literature.

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