I been a Mills follower and believer for 15 years and I and Mills have facebooked each other for years but I must say that his new light bulb supposedly putting out millions of watts is a joke a 1kw carbon arc would be far more even and brighter, its a joke and I have told him so.
Fed up with all this bull
Chris Blythe
300,000 watts! Such power would vaporize the experiment within 5 seconds. Your everyday sense will give an estimate of the power levels. I have worked for years with HMi bulbs and carbon arcs
I been a Mills follower and believer for 15 years and I and Mills have facebooked each other for years but I must say that his new light bulb supposedly putting out millions of watts is a joke a 1kw carbon arc would be far more even and brighter, its a…
300,000 watts! Such power would vaporize the experiment within 5 seconds. Your everyday sense will give an estimate of the power levels. I have worked for years with HMi bulbs and carbon arcs
A 400 HP sports car can put out 300,000 watts, most of which is in the form of heat, and it doesn't melt either. Most of the energy in Mills' reaction is in the form of light so it gets widely dispersed when run open as in the demos. However, Mills has said that melting holes in the steel containment vessels is an issue they have seen already.
Its not useful to compare your experience with bulbs and arcs to Mills since the form of energy and the mechanism are very different. You are comparing a light source with a percent or so optical and virtually all the output as heat, your bulbs, with a source that is virtually all light and very little infrared which is Mills source. In its pure form, the light is not even in the optical range but is mostly EUV and UV, both because the physics of the reaction show two separate continuum. The silver vapor converts the EUV and UV to blackbody optical radiation.
Then it takes 3000J to vaporize each gram of silver and the pump is putting several grams per second into the electrodes. Mills told me that on average some 30KW from the reaction goes directly into vaporizing the silver. That's huge and way more energy than Mills puts into the system.
I been a Mills follower and believer for 15 years and I and Mills have facebooked each other for years but I must say that his new light bulb supposedly putting out millions of watts is a joke a 1kw carbon arc would be far more even and brighter, its a…
Here is a 750KW light source which does not seem to melt everything around it.
The case will be about Rossi not giving Industrial Heat sufficient support to make it work for them.
What is my justification?
What do we know about the 'patent' that Industrial Heat' filed without Rossi's knowledge or agreement’? Well IH may have been entitled to file the patent if the intellectual property they used did not belong to Rossi but to IH. But why would they file such a 'patent' if they did not believe it to be 'novel' 'non-obvious' ‘useful’ or ‘susceptible of industrial application’? Well they must have believed this otherwise the patent is baseless.
Why did Rossi not file a ‘challenge’ against the patent application allegedly filed by Industrial Heat 'without his knowledge or
consent'! Maybe it was filed with intellectual property that did not belong to him and he already knew that?
So what are we left with? Rossi may believe the application was filed legitimately otherwise he would have filed a ‘challenge’
and IH do in fact believe his invention works or can work. So that leaves us concluding the case will be about Rossi not giving them sufficient support to make it work 'for them' otherwise they could not have filed the patent application.
Looks like LENR and the Rossi Effect is after all REAL.
Best regards
Frank
PS:
See wipo.int/edocs/mdocs/scp/en/scp_18/scp_18_4.pdf
I don't know where this is heading, who is right/who wrong, but I am leaning right now heavily against Rossi. It is hard to escape the fact that he popped up on the public scene 5 1/2 years ago, and still nothing. Out of boredom I took a look at his JONP in the winter and spring of 2012 (3 years ago). As now, back then he was talking of gearing up for the mass production, snakes and chatterers, happy customers which he could not name, but *maybe* he will soon allow some public visits. When there were too many probing questions about this supposed military customer, he introduced us to his Hotcat to divert attention away. Only thing that has changed is that today it is his Ecat-Quark. There seems to be a pattern! 
Whatever ones beliefs at this time, one thing is for certain...Rossi is no saint. Nor is he a capable businessman. If he has something, he has royally mucked this up. No one could be more incompetent than he has been. Seriously. It is like PetrolDragon all over again (another pattern!). The guy is a bumbling boob. He makes a mess of everything!
6 years now and counting with nothing to show for it other than a messy lawsuit, the very same 1MW container he first built, and more empty promises of good things to come from his shadowy Leonardo. This is too much for me. If he had something, could anyone here explain to me why he didn't go to a reputable international company in 2010, and show them it worked? Why did he go to Darden?...yes, I know what he *said*, about their synergies and mutual goals...but look how that turned out. Or was it because he only likes working with other sharks...like him? No guilt, as they *deserve it*, when you rip them off...right? No sympathy from juries who love the "little guy", and hate the "professional investors" as Rossi calls Darden.
One really has to wonder at this point if supporting him on his JONP is good for LENR? Maybe it would be better if everyone shunned him, and stopped offering him their consolation, or at least start asking more tough questions? I have seen a few take him to task, but for the most part those who post give him cover for his selfish, incompetent and shameful behavior.
Seems to me he should be told to "put up, or shut up". Like I said, this has gone on unnecessarily long. We have other promising players like Brillouin, Piantelli, and Miley to rally around. We don't need Rossi anymore.
As now, back then he was talking of gearing up for the mass production, snakes and chatterers, happy customers which he could not name, but *maybe* he will soon allow some public visits.
Dear members of the jury:
If Andrea Rossi has in fact invented an "E-Cat device" which creates energy at 50:1 ratio, then why is it that there are no such units in service now? Not only should Rossi have such a unit, but IH should have ten such units under test by now with Rossi's assistance. Yet we at IH cannot get any such units working after following all of Rossi's instruction to the letter. Even if the one unit at JM Products worked, it required the constant attention of Rossi himself, who remained on site 16 hours each day of the test.
The history of LENR is that it cannot be reproduced reliably. Evidence of this is presented by expert witnesses such as Michael McKubre. Meanwhile with the help of Brillouin's profession engineers, IH is working on developing a unit that can be reproduced and manufactured in volume. Rossi has failed everyone by delivering only promises for over 5 years, but IH is determined to develop a working unit (with other's help) that is manufacturable. As a result, we claim that we should not have to pay Rossi any more money and yet we should retain rights to Rossi's IP.
Also placed on the witness stand is Robert Godes who will spout all kinds of theory and drop all kinds of important sounding names such as "Hamiltonian". He will tell the jury that the Rossi approach is more complicated than it needs to be. IH has not only acquired the rights to Rossi's efforts, but also George Miley, Robert Godes and two other International inventors. Rossi stumbled on to something by copying earlier efforts of others, but now it is time for the professionals to step in and reduce LENR to practice.
In addition, Rossi's patents were not complete and we had to add further claims and resubmit them.
We at IH are coming to save the world from Anthropogenic Global Warming and we have asked congress to pass laws and the POTUS to sign executive orders that prohibit any attempts to stand in our way. God bless all heroes like IH.
Amen
Shane
but I am leaning right now heavily against Rossi.
Dartin
why is it that there are no such units in service now?
Well, Industrial Heat are certainly not against Rossi, only the manner in which he conducts himself under the contract. So they are looking to gain something still. If he has 'nothing' on one will gain. On the other hand if he has something, they want his cooperation to make their kit (replication for production) work like his 1MW container does (or so they have told their investors), then they will pay him his $89 million. All that has happened is that they are unable to 'substantiate it' by separately firing one of their own e-cats up.
This is likely to mean they are unable to 'replicate' using the IP provided by Rossi. But they can see Rossi's 1MW E-Cat working, they have said so, but cannot duplicate. They believe this is because Rossi is withholding IP which he agreed to give them under the contract.
Rossi on the other hand believes IH is illegally sharing his IP with his competitors. This may be so, as IH needs 'due diligence' to verify the invention works separately to the agreed ERV report, At this stage I do not think they have questioned the validity of the ERV report, just that their own separate efforts to validate have been 'without success'.
So my take on this is that IH and Rossi believe there is a working invention. IH wants more IP and assistance from Rossi so they can produce e-cats without reliance on Rossi. Rossi doesn't want to give all the IP necessary for independent manufacture as he thinks IH will unlawfully share it with his competitors.
My take on this is they are fighting over 'something' not 'nothing'. But of course we do not 'know' and will have to wait.
Best regards
Frank
The fact that the year long test was completed means that the Rossi system is functional. If the E-Cat produced no COP, the test would not have lasted more than a day. IH tracked the test and they must have had an idea of how large the COP was from an order of magnitude perspective. Rossi is believable.
The fact that the year long test was completed means that the Rossi system is functional
If the GoPro camera was invented 5 years ago, we would expect to see them manufactured in volume...and we do. If the quad-copter was invented 5 years ago, we would expect to see them all over the place. And we do.
Then where are all the Rossi machines? And why is the price of oil going up?
d
Then where are all the Rossi machines?
Rossi lived in his 'container' tweaking to keep it going. It is nowhere near production and perhaps wont be for another 10 to 20 years.
And why is the price of oil going up?
Oil prices fell this morning after Kuwaiti workers called off a three-day strike. Brent crude was down 95 cents to $43.08 a barrel by 6.40am UK time, while West Texas Intermediate futures dropped $1.10 to $39.98 a barrel.
See: http://www.theweek.co.uk/oil-p…i-workers-call-off-strike
Best regards
Frank
Kuwaiti workers called off a three-day strike
WTI is at $43.74 as I type this.
https://www.dailyfx.com/crude-oil
d
Market forces are at work then, very little to do with LENR.
Frank,
Mats Lewan said this today on his blog:
-I know that Tom Darden has recently met with people I personally know, not far away from me, claiming that the 1MW test was technically and fundamentally flawed and that COP was around 1, that there was no production in the customer’s factory, that the customer didn’t seem trustworthy to them, and that IH has not been able to replicate Rossi’s claims.
-I have strong indications that IH already before the lawsuit knew that Rossi had a working technology but again claimed that they didn’t know how he did it.
-At least one person with close connection to Darden, also financially, is contacting key persons around Rossi, trying to convince them that Rossi is a fraudster and that they would be wise to stop collaborating with him or at least be careful not supporting him in any way. The message also includes claims that IH through its investigation continuously discovers deceptive behaviour by Rossi.
Pretty damning comments wouldn't you say? COP1, Rossi's "customer" seemed "untrustworthy", the factory made, or produced nothing, therefore the results are not legitimate. Classic Rossi, if IH is right in what they say about the facility and customer. He does try to control, or influence all facets of the test. Why?
This wouldn't be his first time doing this either, as he did the same with the 26 Oct 2011 "Military Customer Acceptance Test", for which he even found some friend (still unidentified to this day) to pose as a "NATO Colonel" to "sign for delivery" after the test was deemed by him to be successful. Even though the 1MW plant was only run at 500kw, and...get this, Rossi had a 500kw generator hooked up to his container, and running the duration of the test!
Yes, this smells now the more I hear. Someone on ECW had a good idea: If Rossi wants to prove what he claims, he can let Lewan talk with this customer, and also allow Mats to meet his Leonardo employees, and visit this supposed research facility Rossi is using to further refine his Ecat-Quark. Easy enough to do, and makes perfect sense for Rossi. -if he were being honest, to set up. The customer could even remain anonymous.
But seriously; do you think Rossi would ever allow this? These type visits, or interviews, have been requested before, and always he says he will check into it, but never comes back with an answer. If pushed on the matter, he then resorts to the snakes and chatterers bit.
I say Rossi grant something like this, and if he won't agree, than we have our answer. He is a scammer.
Shane D
If any of this were true, it may well be concluded that IH are trying to influence the outcome of the trial. If this is noted by the judge certainly the jury could be instructed to ignore certain information, it may even result in a collapse of the trial itself. Now who would benefit from that?
If Rossi wants to prove what he claims, he can let Lewan talk with this customer, and also allow Mats to meet his Leonardo employees, and visit this supposed research facility Rossi is using to further refine his Ecat-Quark. Easy enough to do, and makes perfect sense for Rossi. -if he were being honest, to set up. The customer could even remain anonymous.
The thing that Rossi fears most is IP theft. He will not be doing that any time soon. Besides, his council will be advising him to say nothing to anyone that has a bearing on the trial so his hands will be tied until the conclusion of the trial.
I would not believe anything without heavy duty evidence.
Best regards
Frank
The smart political move for IH is to starve Rossi out, make it difficult or better yet impossible for Rossi to do R&D and get into production. The way to do this is to discredit Rossi, destroy his credibility and reputation, with as many money manages and bean counters as possible so that Rossi cannot get replacement funds to continue his activities and fund his company.
Well, it is good that people are slowly seeing the light. Some bizaare conspiracy theories remain. It seems when the simple answer does not fit, people make it complex!
https://animpossibleinvention.…rossi-ih-affair/#comments
The factual comments are damning for Rossi.
There is a certain amount of rumored "IH is doing the dirty too" but if Rossi has deceived them as he must have, they would consider it their duty to make sure other people are not so deceived. It is, for them, very embarassing. They gave Rossi credibility for quite some time.
All the speculation about what IH or Rossi would want... I can speculate too:
Rossi: wants 89M. When he realises he cannot get it (maybe he always did) he wants a "I'm being persecuted by snakes" story for his blog so he can continue all without even showing working stuff. If he is rational he will drag things out a bit and then when the facns have forgotten go for an out of Court settlement.
IH: want to manage the bad PR. They would prefer an out of court settlement.
As happened before with defkalion, IH is now a deadly competitor of Rossi. If IH did not believe that LENR was real, they would not has paid for as many available patents as they could get a hold of, and they would not be putting out patents for LENR reactors.
IH needs time to produce a commercial LENR reactor, and to get that time, IH must slow Rossi down. Rossi said that IH was a drag on his production plans. This strategy to beat Rossi at his own game could have been conceived a long time ago.
This new darling of the sciptopaths, IH will break the heart those sour little people when IH puts their own LENR product on the market. How sad. But for now, IH needs the free labor of all those perverted curmudgeons to continue the reputation bashing that they have become so good at. But there will come a time when IH will turn on their erstwhile supporters with all the raff and vindictiveness that APCO can muster. Such a delicious turnabout could not be more deserving for that motley crew.
Thomas
IMHO if Rossi is genuine, (or believes he is genuine), he will for the sake of his honour (whatever that is) go the distance on the court case. If Industrial Heat are genuine (or believe they are genuine) they will also go the distance. I don't think either think the outcome of the trial will cast irreparable doubt on the existence of LENR (that is what they are fighting over lets face it). But if that looks likely either or both could go for an out of court settlement with the prospect of renewed cooperation and a statement from them both committing to R&D and eventual commercialisation.
Or I could be wrong,
I hate this 'speculation' its so devoid of 'objective substance'. But like everyone else, I'm hooked!
Best regards
Frank
One of the time honored strategies of lawyers is to drive the competition bankrupt with open ended litigation. Rossi may not have the money to keep this case going indefinitely.
