me356: Reactor parameters [part 2]

Quote from Majorana

I was about to like your post until I read your last sentence.

You definitely can't see nuclear transmutations optically. There is no way to optically distinguish if heat is coming from chemical or nuclear reactions.
You will have to observe higher energy photons (x-ray or gammas) for this.

The transmutation of elements as a source of energy might be detected by the observation of emission lines that the elements produce in an analysis of the light given off by the reactor.

For example, the emission lines in a spectroscopic analysis of emitted light would decrease in intensity while the emission lines of helium would appear and strengthen over time.

Thank you for your comments.
Also many thanks for those that are sending offers and private messages,

Majorana: It is very important to not do any conclusions, especially when you do not read my posts fully. You have not understood it correctly.
I am not saying there are transmutations based on the excess heat or radiation, but after fuel examination. You really can distinguish if you are holding apples or pears if you are looking carefully on it
I have also admited that a proper tests in specialized laboratories will be performed.

But I dont agree with the latest statement. End customers are totally careless if there is single transmutation or not, if the device will pass all certifications and device will work as supposed.

Sharing the basic information to allow wide replications might be the problem, because it is based on what can cause big troubles. When you are successfull you must definitively face with this issue. Better results you obtain (which is just matter of time), bigger troubles can occur. And as you know how it really works, it is easy to boost the effect.
On the other hand, well tuned and tested reactor can be absolutely fine.

When you know this principle, you will quickly find answers for everything else.

Dear me356,
I understand your dilemna concerning sharing the basic informations with replicators. But consider this : if the effect were poorly controlled (or even badly used) you (as a human being) would not be responsible. Einstein is not responsible for the atomic bomb (even if he felt he was). Scientific discovery is not invention : the results of it belongs to all mankind. You won't be able to stop humans to act as humans. With LENR, as with ALL discoveries, there will be wonders and horrors. Just think about this (as an example) : what about if Friedrich Wöhler did not communicate about his results concerning the first organic synthesis ? Answer : pharmacological industry would not exist...

@axil I think these Balmer series spectra could be really interesting if they are visible and strong enough to be seen. In these light elements we might even see slight shifts in the spectral lines due to different isotopes such as D, T, He3, He5 etc perhaps even some Lithium isotope spectra too.

I think they could potentially give us a window on the process too. Would a spectra signal from UDH atomic pair production look a bit like we would expect from He2 if it could exist ( i.e. 2 protons surrounded by 2 electrons that pass through Some kind of S2 orbital state)? (If so would we see slight shifts between the spectra from UDD and He4 due to slight differences the electron reduced mass?)

Perhaps line broadening would indicate disturbances in the electron orbitals that could give a window on the processes too? Could such broadening be a signature of dynamic changes in the nucleus or magnetic disturbance for example.

If a captured proton or H- ion or UDH changes to a neutron through ec or beta emission by proximate influence of another nucleus could we see. Spectral shifts as a consequence? May be it would be possible to derive what kind of nuclei are more likely to produce this reaction if it occurs, maybe those with high neutron cross-sections for example or those with particular spin states or halo nuclei maybe?

I suppose if slow neutrons are produced by some method either as above or by spallation from other nuclei then they would tend to be absorbed by nuclei with high neutron cross-sections quicker than those with low neutron cross-sections. Perhaps shifts in spectra to those of particular isotopes over time, would also indicate this.

I wonder if any Lyman emissions are also seen?

As Axil said transmutation evidence through spectral analysis is possible, something like this from Christopher Strevens would be good to see. (obviously with a bit more credibility as he's pretty much insane)

Transmutation of hydrogen into helium 2:

His ramblings do bear some resemblance to reactors and processes described on these forums but due to his state of mind they cant be trusted.
I spoke to him via email recently and he is still massively paranoid and talks like a mad man.

http://www.chrisspages.co.uk/Transfusor/index.htm
http://peswiki.com/directory:c…-strevens-nuclear-reactor

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Sharing the basic information to allow wide replications might be the problem, because it is based on what can cause big troubles. When you are successfull you must definitively face with this issue. Better results you obtain (which is just matter of time), bigger troubles can occur. And as you know how it really works, it is easy to boost the effect.

Well, then you'd better just take your discovery to the grave, because no matter how you engineer a safe reactor, the theory eventually will become public knowledge. Everyone knows the basic concept of a fusion or fission bomb, but cannot easily make one in ones garage. With LENR it might be otherwise.

Disclosing now or later will make no difference. :nuke:

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Well, then you'd better just take your discovery to the grave, because no matter how you engineer a safe reactor, the theory eventually will become public knowledge. Everyone knows the basic concept of a fusion or fission bomb, but cannot easily make one in ones garage. With LENR it might be otherwise.

Disclosing now or later will make no difference. :nuke:

Remote controlled experimentation is a good idea, and maybe people will not go through the trouble or the expense to set up their lab that way.

Based on Holmlid's et al speculation, LENR may produce prodigious volumes of muons. These guys are hard to detect and are deeply penetrating. They may penetrate into the body and cause the elements inside the body to fusion. Yes, muons can be easily shielded but you need to understand that it is required to do so.

Then there might be long lived exotic neutral particles that may float in the air. These things may act like radon and like muons, catalyze fusion in the lungs. It might be a good practice to vent the lab to the outside before an experimenter can safely reenter his lab.

axil: You are right. We can't still be sure what particles are really produced and how often.

nobody: This is not true. While there is not a really working recipe, mass replications will not start. Public will be still unaware of it and from nothing there can be a LENR device you can buy freely.
On the other hand, with mass replications there can be already many accidents before we can buy anything certified. Government and other regulation institutions can be aware of possible issues. Thus there may be new limitations defined by law and doing such things might be even illegal overnight. This is not good start. Are you sure this can't happen?
If we will proceed according to all safety precautions, such devices will be tested where it can't cause any risk, this can't happen that easily.

This is not true. While there is not a really working recipe, mass replications will not start. Public will be still unaware of it and from nothing there can be a LENR device you can buy freely.On the other hand, with mass replications there can be already many accidents before we can buy anything certified. Government and other regulation institutions can be aware of possible issues. Thus there may be new limitations defined by law and doing such things might be even illegal overnight. This is not good start. Are you sure this can't happen?If we will proceed according to all safety precautions, such devices will be tested where it can't cause any risk, this can't happen that easily.

me365:
The basic fact of our world is that hundreds of millions of people suffer daily due to lack of energy. This results in mass pain, death, and wasted potential. Every day that this solution to the global energy crisis is hidden from the broader scientific community is another day that hundreds of thousands of people die prematurely, and others enter into adulthood without the skills to realise the beauty of the world the way we do. The real question is: are you sure you are qualified to judge the best way to introduce this technology to the world? Are you prepared to accept the mantle of responsibility for all the people in the world who are suffering at this very instant?

@me356

You have posted that you seem to get fairly obvious results.

Perhaps with respect for your concerns, can you make a short video clip of your latest achievements and your latest reactor experiments so that others on the forum following with interest can see the results of your work even if you don't wish to publish methodology just yet?

crawdaddy: There is nobody who is qualified enough in this matter.
I am convinced that what I am doing will lead to 100% success - there will be working device that everybody can use.
If there is potential to help the people, we can send this device completely for free, where it is really needed.

But will this be possible, when such things will be banned, illegal or limited in any way? Probably no. All this work will be useless.
It is nice we can replace current fuels, but there might be restrictions, fees, taxes, etc very soon. Than everything can change.

For example even today, you need a special rights to transport Nickel in various forms over some countries. Else it is not legal too.
What is legal today, can be completely illegal tommorow.

If everyone acted properly, would there be a laws? No.
Usually, first something wrong must happen to realize the threat. Then we are trying to minimize the risks.

GlowFish: Yes, I believe there will be videos soon.

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crawdaddy: There is nobody who is qualified enough in this matter.
I am convinced that what I am doing will lead to 100% success - there will be working device that everybody can use.
If there is potential to help the people, we can send this device completely for free, where it is really needed.

But will this be possible, when such things will be banned, illegal or limited in any way? Probably no. All this work will be useless.
It is nice we can replace current fuels, but there might be restrictions, fees, taxes, etc very soon. Than everything can change.

For example even today, you need a special rights to transport Nickel in various forms over some countries. Else it is not legal too.
What is legal today, can be completely illegal tommorow.

If everyone acted properly, would there be a laws? No.
Usually, first something wrong must happen to realize the threat. Then we are trying to minimize the risks.

GlowFish: Yes, I believe there will be videos soon.

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One of the major problems is NRC involvement in the regulation of the technology. The production of neutrons is a killer and tritium is serious. An explanation of what causes LENR is important because it might allay the fears of the regulators. A closed group of developers might be prudent to keep the technology under control. If anybody can track or decode the information provided by the group then that developer is probably capable of safe development. Rossi let out enough info for me356 to crack the technology and me356 is capable of safe development.

One tool that can be used for control of the development of LENR technology are non disclosure agreements. The govenment(s) must not classify this technology.

Axil:
One tool that can be used for control of the development of LENR technology are non disclosure agreements. The govenment(s) must not classify this technology.

Whether or not this technology becomes classified is not related to how long it remains under secret development. If it is too dangerous to be used it will be restricted. Delaying disclosure will not help in this regard.

I am currently sitting within a 2 minute walk from 100 million dollars worth of equipment capable of building and characterising almost any material with atomic precision. The only thing preventing the application of this equipment to the study LENR is institutional blindness. We have a few million dollars worth of high resolution gamma ray detector equipment, already arrayed in a pleasing spherical symmetry, begging to be put to use. There are hundreds of facilities like this in the world.

No amount of regulation can prevent the study of this process. Reactors can be built from commonly available materials to low cost. Its commercialisation can be halted by regulation, but that will happen regardless of how long it is kept secret.

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Axil:
One tool that can be used for control of the development of LENR technology are non disclosure agreements. The govenment(s) must not classify this technology.

Whether or not this technology becomes classified is not related to how long it remains under secret development. If it is too dangerous to be used it will be restricted. Delaying disclosure will not help in this regard.

I am currently sitting within a 2 minute walk from 100 million dollars worth of equipment capable of building and characterising almost any material with atomic precision. The only thing preventing the application of this equipment to the study LENR is institutional blindness. We have a few million dollars worth of high resolution gamma ray detector equipment, already arrayed in a pleasing spherical symmetry, begging to be put to use. There are hundreds of facilities like this in the world.

No amount of regulation can prevent the study of this process. Reactors can be built from commonly available materials to low cost. Its commercialisation can be halted by regulation, but that will happen regardless of how long it is kept secret.

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Not kept secret, but controlled. That equipment could be used to provide information to a closed community if the people who controlled that equipment were inside the R&D loop.

There needs to be a experimenter certification process which licenses the experimenter to do LENR research.

You cannot have 100,000 people all producing neutrons and going to the hospital with radiation sickness or with gaping red hot shrapnel wounds. That situation in counterproductive to the advancement of LENR.

If a guaranteed to work recipe (one that used nickel, hydrogen, and lithium to produce a reasonably high COP) that could be utilized in an affordable system were to be published, I think there would be hundreds of replications in weeks and in months there would be thousands.

Would you want a 16 year old kid and a pack of his friends setting up a lab in his basement and exposing his family to a near lethal dose of neutron radiation?

Axil:
You cannot have 100,000 people all producing neutrons and going to the hospital with radiation sickness or with gaping red hot shrapnel wounds. That situation in counterproductive to the advancement of LENR.

Absolutely true. Mainstream science involvement is the best way to ensure this never happens.

Science research is already a closed community. Every chemist in the world could synthesize enough nerve gas to kill a small city, but they don't.

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Axil:
You cannot have 100,000 people all producing neutrons and going to the hospital with radiation sickness or with gaping red hot shrapnel wounds. That situation in counterproductive to the advancement of LENR.

Absolutely true. Mainstream science involvement is the best way to ensure this never happens.

Science research is already a closed community. Every chemist in the world could synthesize enough nerve gas to kill a small city, but they don't.

Where did all that expensive equipment come from...the government funded it. The science community works for the government and all the data produced with government money must be openly published. This is a dilemma.