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    Quote from Zeus46

    So instead of this un-boostered fool reflecting on how he risked his immuno-compromised wife's life by bringing the coronavirus home, he tries to gloat about how ivermectin "saved" her? ...Wow.

    Out of respect for Alan I'll try this again. In August my wife did take a moderna booster, I was not eligible at the time. One month later she was still not showing antibodies. So nstead of vitamin d she was prescribed calcitriol.

    We wear masks when out those very rare times. When we started showing symptoms my first thought was I screwed up. After going over everything we have done since Christmas Eve the only way for a person to person contact was thru a delivery on Friday the 31st. My wife waited till driver was a safe distance and retrieved the package. Other than that we have had no contact with people for 8 days. I think her prescribed calcitriol has had a bigger impact on symptoms but it was after taking a couple rounds of ivermectin that she began to feel better. To her it worked and that's all that matters to me. She no longer lives with that immunocompromised stigmatism. So yes, it worked. Ask next time before jumping to conclusions, I will be answer any of your concerns and I apologize for my previous post

    Quote from Fm1

    My wife just woke up and has declared that our pandemic is over. Recent Paget disease survivor and 2 time breast cancer survivor says she with a little help from ivermectin is kicking omicrom ass and is now ready to start living, Covid baggage free. I reminded her we are stuck here till the weekend and to take her ivermectin. Her fears are now gone. A real thank you to her doctor who had the balls to do the right thing. And to the deniers liers and frauds, my wife has something to say, you are wrong. I dare you to challenge her face to face!

    OK - I take on the challenge (you might though have to relay this comment).


    First of all, I hope and expect you both recover fine. I'm glad it is good news so far! Even from delta, most people recover fine from COVID. Omicron definitely seems milder, though much of that effect is a combo of vaccination and survivor's immunity, it seems pretty likely there is something extra related to the specialisation of omicron towards upper nasal passage infection (lesss serious) away from lower lung and rest of body infection (more serious).


    It may seem counter-intuitive that making a virus replicate better in one part of the body can reduce severity of infection but logically it is true, if that gives more time for the immune system to respond.


    I'm not saying I know this is true, but it is at least possible, and the proof will come as we get reliable data on the relative numbers of people in the same vaccination/prior infection state going to hospital with omicron vs delta.


    However, anecdotal "I recovered" evidence says absolutely nothing about WHY you recover. Given that most people are expected to recover pretty easily from COVID (especially omicron COVID) it is no evidence of ivermectin improving things. Your wife being in higher risk group (if on immunocompromised due to cancer treatment etc) it is still true that most vaccinated people recover fine.


    And I will argue that - no evidence - for as long as you like, to whomever you like.


    The only way to get evidence for/against therapies for diseases which have relatively low (0.5% at age 60) death rates is randomized clinical trials which are properly conducted (not just keep rough notes and cut & paste data when asked for raw data you have lots). The high quality ivermectin RCTs are looking roughly level - maybe a bit positive but by a very small amount and not statistically significant. that means there is not a large effect.


    THH

    You jumped the gun, my wife believes , I don't argue with her, I always lose, whether I'm right or wrong. I like to think that her prescription for calcitriol play a big role in symptom and ivermectin maybe speedup viral reduction. Thanks for your post but the challenge was a face to face. She can't punch you after you tell her she is wrong or premature.

    Quote from Fm1

    You jumped the gun, my wife believes , I don't argue with her, I always lose, whether I'm right or wrong. I like to think that her prescription for calcitriol play a big role in symptom and ivermectin maybe speedup viral reduction. Thanks for your post but the challenge was a face to face. She can't punch you after you tell her she is wrong or premature.

    Hmmm…..🤔


    Gut feeling? Intuition? Instinct?

    Spider Sense?

    These are typically not admissible as evidence, you got anything else!

    Guinea Pig Kids: How One Documentary Exposed Corruption in NY HIV,


    Guinea Pig Kids: How One Documentary Exposed Corruption in NY HIV/AIDS Trials
    Most would agree that scientific studies are vital to evaluating the safety and effectiveness of current and potential medical treatments, yet many
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    Most would agree that scientific studies are vital to evaluating the safety and effectiveness of current and potential medical treatments, yet many individuals place doubt in the process, key organizations, or investigators that are involved. In fact, a poll conducted by NPR that was published in May 2021, found that the majority of Americans have an overall distrust in key public health groups, with only 52% placing a great deal of trust in the CDC and only 37% with a great deal of trust in the FDA.


    Exposed corruption and tainted ethics that have surfaced from clinical studies of the past may be responsible for creating some doubt. One example recently introduced by TrialSite as a summary, a documentary that first aired in the mid-2000s exposed a child welfare program in New York that forced HIV-positive children to take “lethal” Antiretroviral drugs for experimental purposes in clinical trials.


    First released in 2004, Guinea Pig Kids was aired by BBC and directed by Jamie Doran. The documentary criticizes the private nursing facility that treats a large minority population of HIV-positive foster children near Harlem. From the early 1990s to 2002, 62 children at the center participated in AIDS-drug trials run by the Columbia University Medical Center.


    According to the filmed piece, the Incarnation Children’s Center (ICC) allegedly forced “toxic experimental drugs” like Nevirapine, Zidovudine, and Didanosine into pediatric participants in HIV/AIDS trials. The film sparked controversy among viewers and after many expressed concerns about the trials after hearing allegations such as the ICC forcing these drugs into children’s stomachs via a feeding tube when they refused to take them.



    The Vera Institute of Justice conducted an investigation and released a report in 2009 with some clarification on some of the inflammatory allegations made by BBC, but also some damning findings of unethical practices during the trials. Of the 532 children involved in the trials or observational studies, 25 died in foster care who were enrolled in a medication trial. Although Vera’s medical staff reported that they did not find a direct correlation between the deaths and trial medications, they did locate several documents in welfare files of conflicting opinions between welfare staff and birth/foster parents who opposed the medications when it came to treatments that occurred outside of the clinical trials and after FDA approval of the medication.


    “These differences were resolved on a case-by-case basis,” the report said. “Sometimes this involved continued monitoring and alternative treatments; in other cases, it resulted in removal from parents or legal guardians or the transfer of a child to a new foster home.”


    Jacklyn Hoerger was one mother featured in the documentary who claimed she experienced the latter.


    Hoerger worked as a nurse in the ICC and attempted to adopt two children from the home. After taking her children off the medication after she had concerns, Hoerger began to finally see improvements in their health. When ACS discovered that Hoerger stopped the children’s medications, they unexpectedly knocked on her door and took them out of her arms and denied her guardianship, “Despite the fact she brought in private doctors, given them private health care, she’d given them (a) fantastic education,” Director of the BBC Documentary Jamie Doran said, according to Democracy Now.


    Other Discoveries from the Vera Report:

    There was no evidence found of parents or foster parents being incentivized to enroll a child in any of the studies.

    Foster children made up 30% of all New York trial participants in 16 trials. Vera found that 13% of these foster children were enrolled in a trial before entering the foster system.

    Those enrolled in the study were predominantly African-American (64%) and Latino (35%). The Vera report responded to concerns of racial targeting saying, “This demographic profile paralleled the demographics of children with HIV infection in New York City (58 percent African American, 35 percent Latino).”

    Between 1987 and 2005, 532 foster children were enrolled among 88 New York City clinical trials related to HIV/AIDS. Of the trials, 65 included treatments or preventative care for conditions connected to AIDS such as opportunistic and bacterial infections, 35 focused on testing of suppressive treatments, and 20 were to test preventative measures or to treat “opportunistic infections and other HIV-associated conditions,” the review said. Additionally, seven trials allowed pediatric participants to have access to antiretroviral medications before FDA approval and two trials highlighted testing to determine whether pregnant women and their newborn babies receiving treatments prevented HIV transmission from mother to child.


    The report states that as a result of the New York trials, 15 antiretroviral medications have gained FDA approval to treat pediatric HIV/AIDS patients.


    The trials were funded by NIH’s National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases and the National Institute for Child Health and Human Development both provided funding, according to the report. Dr. Anthony Fauci has been the director of the NIH National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases since 1984.


    Pharmaceutical giant GlaxoSmithKline was identified by BBC as one corporation that provided the experimental drugs for the trials.

    Quote from Roseland67

    Hmmm…..🤔


    Gut feeling? Intuition? Instinct?

    Spider Sense?

    These are typically not admissible as evidence, you got anything else!

    Nope not a thing and I agree. Omicrom is a cold and ivermectin probably wasn't needed but the doctor prescribe it and she is following doctors recommendation. As I said to Thomas, she believes and that's all that matters to me.

    By the way, how are you doing?

    Quote from Fm1

    One study out of South Africa found that patients admitted to the hospital there during the omicron-dominated fourth wave of the virus were 73% less likely to have severe disease than patients admitted during the delta-dominated third wave.

    Less than 1/3 is going to hospital with Omicron compared to Delta. 1/4 of severe hospital visits make in total 1/12 of severe cases. This data is only influenced by the vulnerable!!!


    Almost all death statistics world wide are steeply going down despite cases moving in the other direction! So in average this 1/12 will go further down to be 1/30 .. 1/100 - or even much lower - at the end as we here miss 9 out of 10 cases due to overloaded test centers.

    Switzerland can do 100'000 PCR tests/day and positive rate last week was 35%.. with something around 60'000 daily tests done in average.

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    For your memory: with a positive rate of 7% you miss 50% of cases or just get half. Every 7% added means the 1/2 share becomes 1/4, 1/6 etc..


    So we have about 160'000 infections/day at least ! or already 25% of the population got it at least.


    South Africa:: Deaths finally did level flat last week as we know deaths trail cases by about 10..14 days depending on care... (Or like USA high no care...except with good private doctor!)


    Death rate in Florida - a low mask state - heads towards 0!

    Florida has had over 200,000 cases in the last 3 weeks, we are 2 out of that total. Hospitalized has gone up but not noticable when compared to the usual flu season. We lucked out that this is omicrom and not delta. Untill the powers that be start an outpatient program for all, hospitals will continue to be full. During the last delta wave monoclonal sites opened and help relive hospital pressure . Those same sites remain closed now till the federal government sends monoclonal treatments. The governments continued slow response is why hospitals are full !!!

    Quote from Fm1

    Omicrom is a cold and ivermectin probably wasn't needed but the doctor prescribe it and she is following doctors recommendation.

    Not for immuno-compromised. A cold could kill them! I would recommend a J&J booster in a similar case to prevent a severe infection but for younger woman its a higher risk vaccine.


    Just one thing. Pfizer boosters only work for the Pfizer marketing department. The faint effect they see is just because the immune system got some aditional trigger. Already the second Pfizer jab reduces Ig-G (Study in Cell we multiply linked here) and as UK data shows single jab get less CoV-19 than double...

    Just avoid this crap!

    Just to get something straight. Florida as a state did not mandate masks but counties did and if you look you'll see that those counties had worse Covid outcomes in death, hospitalized and infections. My county didn't and has one of the best outcome from Covid than the rest of the state. But, we all wear masks and mostly N95. I live near the villages a retirement community of hundreds of thounds. We don't tempt fate. The counties with bad outcomes were the results of protests to mandates. And yet they still haven't learned. The elderly in the state have done all the right things, yet still get killed by the likes of Rothwell and his band of idiots. Thanks for the real truth my friend!

    Dr. Fauci Admits COVID-19 Hospitalized Cases Over-Counted


    Dr. Fauci Admits COVID-19 Hospitalized Cases Over-Counted
    Note that views expressed in this opinion article are the writer’s personal views and not necessarily those of TrialSite.Dr. Ron Brown – Opinion
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    Note that views expressed in this opinion article are the writer’s personal views and not necessarily those of TrialSite.


    Dr. Ron Brown – Opinion Editorial


    For approximately two years, the public has been terrified by relentlessly mounting public health statistics of COVID-19 cases and deaths reported by the media. Now, the United States’ leading public health advisor, Dr. Anthony S. Fauci of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, has publicly revealed how cases are being over-counted. Fauci appeared on primetime television recently, discussing children who are hospitalized as COVID-19 cases.


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    Video – 15:51

    Fauci: “If you look at the children who are hospitalized, many of them are hospitalized with COVID as opposed to because of COVID.”


    “And what we mean by that—if a child goes in the hospital, they automatically get tested for COVID and they get counted as a COVID hospitalized individual; when in fact they may go in for a broken leg or appendicitis or something like that.”



    “So it’s over counting the number of children who are ‘hospitalized’ with COVID as opposed to because of COVID.”


    Dr. Fauci was very careful to keep his comments within the specific context of child hospitalizations. However, the implications of Fauci’s remarks apply equally as much to the rest of the population of all ages, hospitalized or not.


    How many people are counted as a COVID-19 case with an asymptomatic, mild, or moderate SARS-CoV-2 infection as opposed to people counted as a COVID-19 case because of a severe SARS-CoV-2 infection?


    Case Fatality Rates and Infection Fatality Rates

    In previous infectious disease outbreaks, epidemiologists referred to deaths in all people with infections, both severe and non-severe infections, as the infection fatality rate (IFR). Deaths in only those people with severe infections were referred to as the case fatality rate (CFR). In other words, all cases are infections, but not all infections are cases: Public Health Lessons Learned From Biases in Coronavirus Mortality Overestimation – PubMed (nih.gov).


    However, during the COVID-19 pandemic, World Health Organization defined all infections as cases, whether they are severe or not: Situation Report – 43 (who.int).


    In a normal world, only people having severe SARS-CoV-2 infections leading to hospitalizations or deaths would be counted as COVID-19 cases. How much would that lower the present COVID-19 case and death count?


    For example, what if COVID-19 death counts excluded patients who die from heart disease or cancer while having only a mild or asymptomatic SARS-CoV-2 infection? If Dr. Fauci can adjust the COVID-19 case count for hospitalized kids, why not adjust the case and death count in the same way for everyone?


    Would that kind of adjustment show that COVID-19 is actually more akin to a “severe seasonal influenza,” as Fauci wrote in the New England Journal of Medicine in February 2020? Covid-19 — Navigating the Uncharted | NEJM.


    Thanks for the over-counting tip, Tony! Great way to highlight information bias in all COVID-19 case and death counts

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