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    Sorry 3) Do not believe that vaccines makes you totally safe, it depends on time after the shot and it is running out now unless you have refilled with a booster

    and goes quite quick down to 1.8x better odds which is not as safe as the general public thinks today

    Quote from zorud

    I selected the Moderna jab for the known reasons,

    Well educated decision. But the European FM/R/B mafia promotes mainly Pfizer due to higher bribes - kick backs...


    But worst these fascists deny treatment. So we are ruled now by fascist mass murders.


    Look at India. > 1 Billion people live now without CoV-19 thanks to treatment & prophylaxes. They have no need for vaccine passports and must not get booster after booster.


    I prefer treatment and for sure never will take an experimental gene therapy drug.


    The Ivermectin,doxycycline, zinc combo (Ziverdo kit) works perfectly with close to 100% success rate against CoV-19!


    https://www.indiamart.com/proddetail/ziverdo-kit-kit-of-zinc-acetate-tablets-doxycycline-capsule-ip-ivermectin-dispersible-tablet-12373324255.html

    Protests Erupt Across Europe Over COVID-19 Lockdowns & Mandates: Some Get Violent


    Protests Erupt Across Europe Over COVID-19 Lockdowns & Mandates: Some Get Violent
    Covid lockdowns are currently happening all over Europe and government mandates are being greeted first with what appears to be peaceful protests but in
    trialsitenews.com


    Covid lockdowns are currently happening all over Europe and government mandates are being greeted first with what appears to be peaceful protests but in many cases quickly escalating to violence. As reported in TrialSite, on November 14, Austria will be going into a “lockdown” week with forthcoming mandatory vaccines. According to The New York Times, Austria, Germany, and the Netherlands are all experiencing a surge in coronavirus cases. This has led to a general resentment of European governments and, in several cases, violence.


    According to the New York Times, the new covid “wave” has been driven by lockdown resistance along with mask and vaccine mandates. About 66 percent of Austrians are vaccinated, and the lockdown could last up to 20 days. Under the lockdown, Austrians will only be allowed out of their apartments for “essential” tasks. During the coming holiday period, this could lead to financial hardship for store owners who were looking to capitalize on the holiday season leading up to Christmas. The Austrian government also plans to make vaccination mandatory in February 2022. This led to protests on the streets of Vienna.


    Protests are not unique to Vienna. In the last few days, there have been protests all over Europe. In Brussels, Belgium tens of thousands of people took to the streets to protest the government’s anti-covid restrictions. Some of the demonstrations were violent. There were also violent protests in The Netherlands in the cities of Rotterdam and The Hague. In Croatia, public workers demonstrated over vaccine mandates, and protests also erupted in France, Denmark, and Switzerland. Italy now has a weekly anti-mandate protest in Rome. In Rotterdam, police drew their weapons and opened fire on the demonstration. At least seven people were injured and 50 were arrested.


    Europe is now relying on a digital covid pass or “green pass” allowing travelers to go from country to country without quarantining. The pass also allows people to enter restaurants and other public sites.



    Protesters in Europe have carried signs from both the far left and far-right political parties. The major rallying cry among all the protestors is that the mandates are discriminatory and are having a negative economic impact due to the restrictions on bars, restaurants, and shopping.


    As TrialSite reported, the impact of the mandates has led to greater divisions on the European continent. Essentially, people are divided into the vaccinated and unvaccinated. Many workers in Europe feel they are left with no choice but to get the covid shot.


    Before the Austrian lockdown went into effect customers flocked to Holiday shops. However, now the seasonal businesses are worried about survival. The economic impact could cut a wide swath across the entire political spectrum.


    With 40,000 protesters in Vienna on Saturday, Europeans are continually asking the age-old question: “What is the price for freedom?

    Covid cases in Switzerland have strongly increased.... :(

    The number (ca. 15.000 new cases) - if we look at the population of ca. 8,4 million, which is 1/10th of Germany - is much more dramatic than here in Germany. With that incidence we would see in Germany ca. 150.000 new cases (ca. 50.000 today), so a factor of 3....also a high reproduction number (1,33) pointing to exponential rise. Switzerland even beats the numbers from Austria....

    Delta? Moderna less effective and waning more strong? General vaccination status? Politics and Corona awareness, 2G/3G/ rules...or no rules at all?

    2nd study that confirms previous corona infections provides some immunity to Sars-Cov2


    Multifactorial seroprofiling dissects the contribution of pre-existing human coronaviruses responses to SARS-CoV-2 immunity


    Multifactorial seroprofiling dissects the contribution of pre-existing human coronaviruses responses to SARS-CoV-2 immunity - Nature Communications
    How the immune responses induced by SARS-CoV-2 and human coronavirus (hCoV) crosstalk is still unclear. Here the authors profile the humoral responses of…
    www.nature.com


    Abstract

    Determination of SARS-CoV-2 antibody responses in the context of pre-existing immunity to circulating human coronavirus (HCoV) is critical for understanding protective immunity. Here we perform a multifactorial analysis of SARS-CoV-2 and HCoV antibody responses in pre-pandemic (N = 825) and SARS-CoV-2-infected donors (N = 389) using a custom-designed multiplex ABCORA assay. ABCORA seroprofiling, when combined with computational modeling, enables accurate definition of SARS-CoV-2 seroconversion and prediction of neutralization activity, and reveals intriguing interrelations with HCoV immunity. Specifically, higher HCoV antibody levels in SARS-CoV-2-negative donors suggest that pre-existing HCoV immunity may provide protection against SARS-CoV-2 acquisition. In those infected, higher HCoV activity is associated with elevated SARS-CoV-2 responses, indicating cross-stimulation. Most importantly, HCoV immunity may impact disease severity, as patients with high HCoV reactivity are less likely to require hospitalization. Collectively, our results suggest that HCoV immunity may promote rapid development of SARS-CoV-2-specific immunity, thereby underscoring the importance of exploring cross-protective responses for comprehensive coronavirus prevention.

    Quote from JedRothwell

    #3 makes no sense. You should trust the vaccines. You should get a booster!!


    Quote from stefan

    Sorry 3) Do not believe that vaccines makes you totally safe, it depends on time after the shot and it is running out now unless you have refilled with a booster

    and goes quite quick down to 1.8x better odds which is not as safe as the general public thinks today

    OK, I think it is not about trust in vaccines.


    I agree, the vaccines do not provide 100% protection, and after 6 months they are running out.


    1. Originally we did not know they would work at all.
    2. Then the worked spectacularly well against original COVID
    3. They still worked very well against alpha
    4. They work well enough against delta, but definitely this is not as good, particularly against infection
    5. And... we now know that protection reduces over time.
    6. And... we also know that protection against serious disease is less good for those most at risk (very old). Even there it is at least 2-3X. For age 60 it is muhc more.


    That figure of 1.8X is how much reduction in all cause mortality the vaccine gives you.


    It depends on COVID rate. No COVID rate, no reduction. You can see from the graphs that when the COVID rate is high you get a higher reduction.


    Older people die for all sorts of reasons anyway.#

    So that 1.8 X is juts saying that if vaccinated you will have half the chances of dying and hence live twice as long!


    All these figures need careful interpretation - and whether they seem high or low depends on which way you look ta them.


    THH

    India logs slimmest rise in COVID-19 cases in 543 days despite festivals


    India logs slimmest rise in COVID-19 cases in 543 days despite festivals
    India reported 7,579 new coronavirus infections on Tuesday, the smallest rise in one-and-a-half-years despite huge festival gatherings in recent weeks, thanks…
    www.reuters.com


    NEW DELHI, Nov 23 (Reuters) - India reported 7,579 new coronavirus infections on Tuesday, the smallest rise in one-and-a-half-years despite huge festival gatherings in recent weeks, thanks to rising vaccinations and antibodies from prior infections.


    The country of 1.35 billion celebrated Durga Puja in October and Diwali this month, during which millions of people shopped, travelled and met family, mostly without masks. Mask-wearing is nearly non-existent outside the big cities.


    "Even after Diwali, we are not seeing a surge," said M.D. Gupte, a former director of the state-run National Institute of Epidemiology, attributing it mainly to the presence of antibodies in a huge majority of Indians through natural infection.


    "I think we are much safer now."


    Government surveys have estimated that nearly 70% of Indians had been naturally infected by July, following a record rise in infections and deaths in April and May.


    So far, 81% of India's 944 million adults have received at least one dose of vaccine and 43% have had two doses. Vaccination for people under 18 has not yet begun. read more


    India has reported a total of 34.5 million COVID-19 cases, second only to the tally in the United States. India's COVID deaths rose by 236 in the past 24 hours to 466,147.


    Daily testing has also fallen, dipping below 1 million on Monday compared with a capacity of more than 2 million.

    Quote from THHuxleynew

    Some commenmt on a question that bugs me - why do governments not commission a delta-specific vaccine?


    An interesting answer.


    https://www.wbur.org/news/2021…vid-vaccine-delta-variant

    Good one Thomas. Many immunologist believe delta has already started it's way to nothing more than a cold. The latest varients seen in the UK is this delta plus which seems as infectious as delta but symptoms are less and much more mild. Get through the holidays and by new year Covid should be in the rearview mirror.

    Quote from stefan

    Sorry 3) Do not believe that vaccines makes you totally safe, it depends on time after the shot and it is running out now unless you have refilled with a booster

    and goes quite quick down to 1.8x better odds which is not as safe as the general public thinks today

    1. No one ever said the vaccines make you totally safe. On the contrary, public health experts have always emphasized the need for caution even after you are vaccinated.
    2. "Unless you have refilled with a booster." Why wouldn't you refill with a booster? Most vaccinations require a booster.
    3. "Not as safe as the general public thinks today." How do you know what the general public thinks? Have you done a public opinion survey? What part of the general public, where? What the public thinks in New York City is quite different from rural Georgia. In any case, what difference does it make what the general public thinks? You should get a vaccination because it makes you safer -- regardless of what the public thinks.

    At Covid Datascience, a reader pointed out that the original source data from the British Office of National Statistics (ONS) summarizes Morris's conclusions, in a footnote:


    "For the 10-59 age group, the vaccinated population will on average be older than the unvaccinated population due to age-based prioritisation in the vaccine roll-out. As mortality rates are higher for older people, this will increase the mortality rates for the vaccinated population compared to the unvaccinated population" (Footnote 9, Table 3 tab).


    Morris goes into great detail. So much detail, I find it a little confusing. This footnote is the heart of the matter.


    What do UK data say about real world impact of vaccines on all cause deaths?
    To what extent is societal vaccination saving lives? Are the vaccines really safe? Some active vaccine skeptics will present bits of data suggesting the…
    www.covid-datascience.com

    Quote from zorud

    The number (ca. 15.000 new cases)

    You must read the details.. This is for 3 days. Today we have 6000. But still much less ICU than last September that have been caused by week long parties in South Europe.

    Quote from Fm1

    2nd study that confirms previous corona infections provides some immunity to Sars-Cov2

    Not second at least the 10th!

    Quote from Fm1

    NEW DELHI, Nov 23 (Reuters) - India reported 7,579 new coronavirus infections on Tuesday, t

    And guess where these come from? 50% of India's infections are from Kerala 33 mio. people. 80% of deaths from Kerala...

    #IndiaFightsCorona COVID-19
    www.mygov.in


    Why India still does a vaccination campaign can only be explain by the states through and through corruption. Most people are recovered and thus 100x better protected. Vaccines add nothing on top and most likely will make things again worse.

    Quote from JedRothwell

    "For the 10-59 age group, the vaccinated population will on average be older than the unvaccinated population due to age-based prioritisation in the vaccine roll-out.

    This just is fringe wording from a vaccine terror think tank. UK data has a resolution of 5 years. So what they try to achieve is to cheat away the negative effects of vaccination on CoV-19 infection!


    Fact is according UK data. Some double vaxx age classes get up to 5x more often CoV-19 than unvaxx!!

    Quote from JedRothwell

    Morris goes into great detail. So much detail, I find it a little confusing. This footnote is the heart of the matter.

    Morris is a little confused, so don't be surprised if he leaves you scratching your head. For instance if you look at his Part 1 - having to do Coronavirus death rates - on several occasions he confuses Coronavirus death rates with all cause death rates. For instance,

    for the 80+ years bracket he says,

    "So the rate of all cause death in fully vaccinated is 5x lower than unvaccinated."

    For the 70-80 years bracket he says,

    "with the fully vaccinated showing a 10x reduction in overall death rate in week 35"

    For the 60-70 years bracket he says,

    "with the fully vaccinated showing all cause death rate >10x lower than the unvaccinated."


    On another but related topic, I notice a conspicuous absence of any mention of the potential uncertainty of vaccination status. There is no mention that between one tenth and one twentieth of the UK population does not have a link between their NHS number and the NIMS database. I suspect that these unknowns are just thrown in the unvaccinated bin when recorded during the week in question.

    See the * at table 3 on page 19 of https://assets.publishing.serv…llance-report-week-46.pdf

    Another nail in the TPFT/DLH* coffin…


    After Dr Andrew Hill was slapped with an ‘expression of concern’ over his naive attempt at a meta-analysis of ivermectin results, he decided to do some actual science, and apply an appropriate amount of rigour to the likes of Elgazzar, Borody, and that Brazilian doctor accused of crimes against humanity, by assessing the Risk of Bias of each of the papers into one of four categories, and noting how this affects his original analysis.


    Unsurprisingly, the shitshow of pay-to-play papers didn’t really stand up to this scrutiny, and now the former doyen of the antivaxxers is receiving (no doubt poorly spelt) death threats on all his socials.


    I could link to his new paper, but in an effort to get through to the average ivermectard, its probably best to just post a pretty picture, and a nice summary of his work, with a lower reading age.


    Best regards.




    Ivermectin debacle exposes flaws in meta-analysis methodology
    Health researchers warn that taking studies at face value is a luxury that they can no longer afford
    www.chemistryworld.com



    * Tide Pods For Trumpers / Darwin’s Little Helper / Ivermectin

    Quote from Wyttenbach

    Vaccines add nothing on top and most likely will make things again worse.

    For long term prospects, at least it is better to have a vaccine after natural infection than before.

    For short term prospects, for vulnerable people, better to have vaccine before natural infection. But a price will be paid later on.

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