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Quote from Shane D.

It has worked very well in this pandemic, as those opposed to lockdowns, questioned the effectiveness of masks in general and particularly in schools, advocated for HCQ/IVM, resisted COVID vaccines for the young, questioned death statistics, etc. have been labeled as right wingers, and anti-science.

Based on polling data . . .

My impression is that people who believe in everything you list usually are GOP right wing conservatives. People who believe in one or two things on the list, but not the others, may be conservative, liberal or neutral.

In a two-party system, when you have a constellation of policies that are supported by political leaders in one party, and opposed by the other party, party loyalists tend to subscribe to that constellation. The whole thing, in one gulp. Even when the policies are not actually related. Even when some of them contradict others. Such as policies in a party convention platform. Some people think of supporting the platform as a test of party loyalty.

Some of the things on that list are definitely anti-science. Questioning the effectiveness of masks is silly. It is also silly to think that a mask is an ironclad guarantee you will not get sick. Masks work somewhat, in some ways, in some circumstances.

Quote from Bob#2

The vaccines used for the diseases you mention all stopped the patient from both getting the disease AND from transmitting the disease. The current mRNA treatments do neither, this is absolutely now known.

That is incorrect. The mRNA vaccines are as effective at preventing and transmitting disease as any other type of vaccine. They trigger an immune system reaction. Once that happens, it looks the same to Mother Nature as any other vaccine type, or natural immunity from the disease. (Okay, almost the same, with minor differences.)

It is like the difference between cooking with an electric heater or gas: there isn't any. The final chemical state of the cooked food is the same. A body with a prepared immune system has the same set of antibodies from the mRNA vaccine, a traditional vaccine, or the disease itself.

Quote from Bob#2

It is the liberal elite thinking that is so skewered it is sickening to

You mix up liberal with criminal. These people simply are fascist mass murders! They kill for greed. Ivermectin 1000% save. No known death since 40 years of use. No severe adverse advents since 40 years of use. > 1'000'000'000 India live free of CoV-19 and don't need a vaccine. All thanks to Ivermectin!

Quote from Zeus46

What were you saying about reading disabilities?

Our all mighty child still doesn't get it...

Here the figures for USA

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Annual sales of the leading vitamin, mineral and supplement (VMS) brands* in the United States in 2016

I hope you had some minimal math to add up the figures... So about 2 billion. As said world wide 7 billion. Around year 2000 when I last checked it.

Quote from zorud

Something to swallow, think about and internalize for our skilled in the art of using smart language from Switzerland…

Hmmm… quite. One can’t fail to notice the unhealthy and pervasive obsession with all aspects of Nazi history and culture amongst certain characters.

I think there is a distinct possibility that some memorabilia might be tucked away in a drawer somewhere. Perhaps some collar tabs, or local party insignia. Maybe even a nice totemkopf.

Quote from Wyttenbach

Here the figures for USA

Title::Annual sales of the leading vitamin, mineral and supplement (VMS) brands* in the United States in 2016

Third bite at the cherry, and this time all you offer up is the sales figures of a few brands.

If you had followed the link in my original comment, you could have saved yourself the time and effort of all that angry googling.

Quote from Alan Smith

But in a few days I will move this off topic comment elsewhere.

This would finally be a good occasion to start a new thread where discussing all the subtle reasoning made by F&P to derive excess heat from their experiments, as reported in the JR's paper on F&P calorimetry (1)

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AFAIK F&P were not the main topic (or a topic at all) at ARPA-E, which is the focus of this thread.

Well, one of the presentation made by ARPA-E was a "Summary of the 1989 and 2004 DOE reviews" (2). The title of the first slide is "Where it started*: the Fleischmann & Pons experiment (1989)". Next line: Observation: Excess heat (30 °C →50 °C). Next line: Hypothesis: D+D fusion responsible for excess heat.

As for the 2004 review, it's well known that the F&P "Simplicity paper" was the first in a short list of CF works selected by the most important experts in the field to be submitted to DOE as a prove of the existence of this phenomenon. The "Simplicity paper" describes the "1992 boil-off experiment" and the lab video clearly shows that F&P made an incredibly huge mistake in calculating the excess heat. Therefore, no excess heat, and, in consequence, no need to hypothize any weird nuclear process responsable for such heat.

(1) RE: ARPA-E LENR Workshop Oct 21-22 2021

(2) https://arpa-e.energy.gov/site…21LENR_workshop_Greco.pdf

Near Death” Patient Walks Out of Hospital After Ivermectin Treatment

Illinois Court Sides with Patient Instructs Hospital to Administer Ivermectin

In more ways than one, the Midwest is now the center of the country and, apparently, the center of controversy. In Naperville, Illinois, a covid

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In a story TrialSite has been following, a patient in suburban Chicago has been discharged from a hospital after receiving ivermectin. The patient’s daughter https://trialsitenews.com/illi…to-administer-ivermectin/ Dr. Man Kwan Ng, filed a lawsuit against Edward Hospital to have ivermectin administered to her father. Illinois Judge Paul Fullerton ordered the hospital to administer the drug saying, “the benefits could outweigh the risks.” Apparently, the judge was correct in this case.

Over the Thanksgiving weekend 71-year-old Sun Ng walked out of the hospital. He was given a regimen of 15 daily shots of ivermectin starting on November 8th. The drug was administered by Dr. Alan Bain who needed permission from Judge Fullerton to work in Edward Hospital because Bain isn’t vaccinated. The judge required Bain to take a covid test, which was negative, then Bain was allowed to treat Ng.

The Ng family credited their attorney, Kristen Erickson and another attorney, Ralph C. Lorigo who has been profiled in TrialSiteNews for his work on ivermectin.

According to Fox 32 in Chicago, Ng was “near death” but has now almost “fully recovered. Ng’s daughter says, “My father’s recovery is amazing. My father is a tough man. He was working so hard to survive, and of course, with God’s holding hands. He weaned off oxygen about three days after moving out of the ICU.”

Dr. Ng also thanked the judge for allowing ivermectin to be administered to her father. Although Edward Hospital objected strenuously with the judge’s order, eventually the hospital and its staff fully cooperated.

TrialSite reminds all that at present 67 ivermectin studies have been completed—most producing positive results. However, much of the regulatory and medical establishment doesn’t buy into many of the studies. Presently, a few major ivermectin studies including COVID-OUT (University of Minnesota and UnitedHealth); ACTIV-6 (NIH & Duke) and Principal (University of Oxford in UK). A TrialSite advisor does suggest these studies are underdosing, however.

Ivermectin isn’t proven to work as many claim, but there are definitely positive data points. See what we believe is one of the more objective fact sheets on the topic.

As has been seen in other instances, ivermectin appears to exhibit at least some effective qualities associated with COVID-19. So, the question remains, why does the Food and Drug Administration have such a serious issue with the use of this already approved drug if prescribed by a competent, licensed medical provider off-label?

Ivermectin Fact Check—An Independent TrialSite Breakdown

While a growing body of research indicates the potential of ivermectin as a possible treatment targeting COVID-19, much of the mainstream press of late

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Ivermectin for COVID-19: real-time meta analysis of 63 studies

Ivermectin for COVID-19. Early treatment - 72% improvement, p < 0.0001. All studies - 68% improvement, p < 0.0001. 1 in 1 trillion probability results of the…

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Turning and turning in the widening gyre

The falcon cannot hear the falconer

Quote from Ascoli65

This would finally be a good occasion to start a new thread where discussing all the subtle reasoning made by F&P to derive excess heat from their experiments, as reported in the JR's paper on F&P calorimetry (1)

If you do that it will be goodbye.

Quote from Alan Smith

If you do that it will be goodbye.

Don't worry. I know I'm not allowed to open any new thread.

Mine was just a suggestion to the Administrators/Moderators to provide JR with a space where he can finally discuss in detail his last paper on the F&P calorimetry, where he finally explains how F&P calculated the excess heat in their "1992 boil-off experiment", which is still the most important experiment in the history of cold fusion.

Quote from JedRothwell

That is incorrect. The mRNA vaccines are as effective at preventing and transmitting disease as any other type of vaccine. They trigger an immune system reaction. Once that happens, it looks the same to Mother Nature as any other vaccine type, or natural immunity from the disease. (Okay, almost the same, with minor differences.)

It is like the difference between cooking with an electric heater or gas: there isn't any. The final chemical state of the cooked food is the same. A body with a prepared immune system has the same set of antibodies from the mRNA vaccine, a traditional vaccine, or the disease itself.

I am not sure where you are getting your data!

I have received one vaccination for mumps in 50 years. One for whooping cough, only one for polio, etc. etc.

I get a tetanus shout every 10 years, not every 3 months!

Your "same as any other vaccine" is simply incorrect. There is already the third shot within 11 months now! The fourth booster being discussed / planned! Unheard of with "any other type of vaccine". These novel mRNA treatments are NOT as good as attenuated virus vaccines as the effectiveness is reduced to almost nothing in 6 months (thus the the need for short term boosters)

Your "mother nature knows no difference" meme is clearly incorrect as the traditional attenuated virus vaccines last almost a life time, not just a few months! There IS a big difference and mother nature knows it!

Even your ally here THH states :

Quote from THHuxleynew

As I understand it the motivation for the vaccine is primarily to save severe disease and death. it does this, the boosters do this.

NOT to stop infection nor transmission. Which the MMR, Polio and other vaccines do quite well! The proliferation of breakthrough cases and studies showing vaccinated virus loads undeniably show the mRNA vaccines do not stop the spread.

Others agree that the vaccines main goal is not prevention (which the attenuated virus goals indeed are!)

Quote from THHuxleynew

I guess some people in the US have some weird idea that vaccination prevents spread of delta (which it was not designed to do - being tested originally against original COVID - we are very lucky it has any effect against delta).

This is NOT the same as cooking with gas or electric. This is a completely novel triggering function that has not been widely used before and had has shown significant severe side effects in past attempts. No long term safety studies have been conducted at all... except the test tube that is now the world.

We will find out in another couple of years..... remember it took five years to pinpoint thalidomide causing thousands of deformed babies..... I really do hope we find nothing tragic with these vaccines... time will tell and nothing else.

Quote from JedRothwell

My impression is that people who believe in everything you list usually are GOP right wing conservatives. People who believe in one or two things on the list, but not the others, may be conservative, liberal or neutral.

Probably so, but are they challenging these things because of politics, or because they sincerely believe what is happening is wrong? Big difference.

And most of the protesting and marches against vaccine mandates -and earlier on in the pandemic against lockdowns, are/were in very liberal areas such as NY, LA, Chicago, etc. and all of Europe. Many were organized and orchestrated by left leaning unions. The inner city riots that broke out against restrictions were not in traditionally conservative areas either.

Ignoring mask mandates happens every bit as much in the blue areas as red. So there definitely seems to be a large element of the left involved in this, which tells me it is not really about politics.

IMO, this broad spectrum push-back seems to be mostly about human rights, government overreach, and little to do with political affiliation.

He who has no falcon must hunt with owls

Room for hope and optimism? As new variants emerge, it seems they do not become more deadly or more serious, as we experienced with the known variants so far. So maybe/hopefully Omicron is about to suppress the dominating Delta variant soon, but may not lead to more severe illness and filling up ICUs...let's cross fingers.

Fully vaccinated protected from Omicron, Israeli experts say

Health minister Nitzan Horowitz said there is indication that people who received two jabs or booster within the last six months protected against Omicron -…

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You giving me the bird?

As for Jed opening a new thread to pander to Ascoli65 's obsession it would be up to him.l

Merck’s Covid Treatment Pill Wins Blessing of F.D.A. Panel

The treatment, known as molnupiravir, could be authorized in the United States within days, and available within weeks, if the F.D.A. follows the committee’s recommendation.

Merck’s Covid Treatment Pill Wins Blessing of F.D.A. Panel

The treatment, known as molnupiravir, could be authorized in the United States within days, and available within weeks, if the F.D.A. follows the committee’s…

www.nytimes.com

Quote from Bob#2

There is already the third shot within 11 months now!

Once more: Omicron does not lead to hospital admission according news from diverse doctors in South Africa. In fact Omicron has emptied the hospitals.

The solution is on the market, despite Pfizer/Moderna desperately trying to block it... But it is already endemic (= not travel related cases) in all Europe countries!

COVID-19 Mortality Risk Correlates Inversely with Vitamin D3 Status, and a Mortality Rate Close to Zero Could Theoretically Be Achieved at 50 ng/mL 25(OH)D3: Results of a Systematic Review and Meta-Analysis

Abstract

Background: Much research shows that blood calcidiol (25(OH)D3) levels correlate strongly with SARS-CoV-2 infection severity. There is open discussion regarding whether low D3 is caused by the infection or if deficiency negatively affects immune defense. The aim of this study was to collect further evidence on this topic. Methods: Systematic literature search was performed to identify retrospective cohort as well as clinical studies on COVID-19 mortality rates versus D3 blood levels. Mortality rates from clinical studies were corrected for age, sex, and diabetes. Data were analyzed using correlation and linear regression. Results: One population study and seven clinical studies were identified, which reported D3 blood levels preinfection or on the day of hospital admission. The two independent datasets showed a negative Pearson correlation of D3 levels and mortality risk (r(17) = −0.4154, p = 0.0770/r(13) = −0.4886, p = 0.0646). For the combined data, median (IQR) D3 levels were 23.2 ng/mL (17.4–26.8), and a significant Pearson correlation was observed (r(32) = −0.3989, p = 0.0194). Regression suggested a theoretical point of zero mortality at approximately 50 ng/mL D3. Conclusions: The datasets provide strong evidence that low D3 is a predictor rather than just a side effect of the infection. Despite ongoing vaccinations, we recommend raising serum 25(OH)D levels to above 50 ng/mL to prevent or mitigate new outbreaks due to escape mutations or decreasing antibody activity.

Conclusions

Although there are a vast number of publications supporting a correlation between the severity and death rate of SARS-CoV-2 infections and the blood level of vitamin D3, there is still an open debate about whether this relation is causal. This is because in most studies, the vitamin D level was determined several days after the onset of infection; therefore, a low vitamin D level may be the result and not the trigger of the course of infection.

In this publication, we used a meta-analysis of two independent sets of data. One analysis is based on the long-term average vitamin D3 levels documented for 19 countries. The second analysis is based on 1601 hospitalized patients, 784 who had their vitamin D levels measured within a day after admission, and 817 whose vitamin D levels were known preinfection. Both datasets show a strong correlation between the death rate caused by SARS-CoV-2 and the vitamin D blood level. At a threshold level of 30 ng/mL, mortality decreases considerably. In addition, our analysis shows that the correlation for the combined datasets intersects the axis at approximately 50 ng/mL, which suggests that this vitamin D3 blood level may prevent any excess mortality. These findings are supported not only by a large infection study, showing the same optimum but also by the natural levels observed in traditional people living in the region where humanity originated from that were able to fight down most (not all) infections in most (not all) individuals.

Vaccination is and will be an important keystone in our fight against SARS-CoV-2. However, current data clearly show that vaccination alone cannot prevent all SARS-CoV-2 infections and dissemination of the virus. This scenario possibly will become much worse in the case of new virus mutations that are not very susceptible to the current vaccines or even not sensitive to any vaccine.

Therefore, based on our data, the authors strongly recommend combining vaccination with routine strengthening of the immune system of the whole population by vitamin D3 supplementation to consistently guarantee blood levels above 50 ng/mL (125 nmol/L). From a medical point of view, this will not only save many lives but also increase the success of vaccination. From a social and political point of view, it will lower the need for further contact restrictions and lockdowns. From an economical point of view, it will save billions of dollars worldwide, as vitamin D3 is inexpensive and—together with vaccines—provides a good opportunity to get the spread of SARS-CoV-2 under control.

Although there exists very broad data-based support for the protective effect of vitamin D against severe SARS-CoV-2 infections, we strongly recommend initiating well-designed observational studies as mentioned and/or double-blind randomized controlled trials (RCTs) to convince the medical community and the health authorities that vitamin D testing and supplementation are needed to avoid fatal breakthrough infections and to be prepared for new dangerous mutations

By His Own Metric, Biden Should Resign Over Covid Deaths

By His Own Metric, Biden Should Resign Over Covid Deaths

BUCK: Quick trip down memory lane here. Joe Biden, the second presidential debate of 2020, said the following about Donald Trump.

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BUCK Let’s take a quick reminder, quick trip down memory lane here. Joe Biden, the second presidential debate of 2020, said the following about Donald Trump, when he was trying — when this declining, entering senility buffoon was trying to convince the American people that he would bring back normalcy, he would shut down the virus, not the economy — that guy, remember that? That didn’t end up happening.

Here he is declaring that if anybody looks at the numbers under Trump with covid, that’s all they need to know about whether he should still be in charge, the death numbers.

BIDEN: 220,000 Americans dead. If you hear nothing else I say tonight, hear this. Anyone who is responsible for that many deaths should not remain as the President of the United States.

BUCK: Biden is a jerk, people! You notice this? His whole big grinning, Irish charm thing, whatever, the guy’s not Irish, I’m more Irish, give me a break. Actually I think I might be more Irish than he is. But the point is he’s full of it. He’s not a nice guy. He’s a glad hander. He’s a guy that puts the big grin on and pats you on the back and pretends to be your friend while he’s stealing the fillings out of your teeth. That’s who Joe Biden really is. It’s worked in politics because he’s a useful tool of the Democrat machine. Always has been. Not a leader. He’s not a thinker.

Listen to what he said in the presidential debate. Blaming President Trump. It’s year one of the pandemic, we’re talking about that, 2020. He’s blaming Trump, saying he’s responsible for the deaths.

Well, that’s really interesting, because by that metric, I need to know why Joe Biden shouldn’t resign — I know he won’t resign — but why shouldn’t he resign, when he has recorded 386,233 covid deaths since, when was this, this was just a few days ago. November 24th, couple days ago — more than were recorded, this year has had a higher death toll in America from covid than all of 2020. We’ve got a whole other month and a bad month ahead of us, too. You see what’s going on. We’ve got a thousand people a day dying from covid right now. Probably is going to go up.

So, is Joe Biden to blame? He said Donald Trump, when we were hit out of nowhere, we had a great economy, thriving country, everything is going great — the Trump presidency is kicking butt, libs are in disarray: What are we going to do? Complain about the lack of pronoun options on the forums. Right? That’s what they were left to do. And then covid comes out of nowhere. Trump has to deal with a once-in-a-century pandemic.

Joe Biden. because he’s just a stupid and reckless slimy fraud is saying that Trump is responsible for all those deaths. You say to yourself, hold on a second, if Trump is responsible, Biden has the vaccine to lean on and a whole lot more natural immunity built up, too, which they never talk about, but which is really important, and the science says it’s really important, the data shows it’s really important. But we have more people dying. So what’s going on?

They keep saying it’s the fault of the unvaccinated. To that I say, but everybody was unvaccinated in 2020. And then I see in some of these pieces they say, oh, but it’s because people have relaxed their social distancing and their masking. That crap doesn’t work! And if they’re going to say that it works, explain to me what mask-up-between bites on the plane or a restaurant. Explain the science of that. Aren’t we past that now? This is superstition from idiots: Mask up between bites. Give me a break.

Once you’re infected you’re infected. Doesn’t matter if you’re infected in the first ten minutes of sitting there or first three hours of sitting there. Infected is infected. So this “mask up between bites” is ridiculous. And doctors know it’s ridiculous and they reach out and tell me, but they’re afraid they’re going to lose their medical license. They’re vicious about shutting people down for questioning the dominant narrative. Vicious about it, absolutely.

And then there’s a voice out there who will call for some accountability here about Biden on this one. Here is former President Trump speaking about Biden. This was on Fox Business, I believe, speaking about Biden’s inability to get this virus under control.

ASMAN: We have more deaths now than we did during your presidency. By Biden’s own standard, he should not remain as president. That’s what he said. Do you think he should resign?

TRUMP: Well, it’s significantly more deaths. And that, as I said before, that’s despite all of the vaccines and the therapeutic Regeneron and so many other therapeutics that are so good, that despite that, and because they don’t trust them, people don’t want to get the vaccine, because if you don’t remember, I didn’t have any problem. We were doing very well, over a million a day, and you didn’t hear people — the opposite. Everybody, they were clamoring for it. No, he made that statement during the debate. I thought it was a horrible statement to make. I wanted him to be successful on the whole thing, on covid, or, as I call it, the China virus. No, I think it’s a terrible thing that he said. And I think he’s done a terrible job.

BUCK: I mean, where is the covid mortality tracker that we saw on CNN and NBC for months and months on end during the Trump presidency? What happened? More people died under Biden than under Trump from the virus, even though there’s a vaccine out there right now that, yes, it is, just for clarity purposes, the millionth time, if you’re at high risk, if you’re of the age, get the shot, please. It’s your choice, but I think it’s a good idea.

Okay. That said, how the heck can they avoid the standard that Joe Biden set up here of Donald Trump is the bad guy; look at all the people dying of covid? Look at people dying of covid now. Where is all the focus on this?

It does remind me — because I remember when I was — I was at CIA Iraq office under the Bush Administration. Then I was assigned to the Afghanistan side of the house under the Obama Administration. And I can tell you this, people had very little interest in the media in the fact that there were more casualties in Afghanistan under Obama than under Bush. Why was that? Why were the deaths of soldiers under Bush so much more newsworthy than the deaths of soldiers under Obama as Commander-in-Chief?

I think we all know the answer, but I like to point this out that. These people are propagandists. They are frauds