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    Right RB - so we are all agreed:

    • Boosters protect against infection (for 3 months, maybe not much longer)
    • Vaccination protects against severe disease. Boosters increase this protection, this severe disease protection does not wane in the same way that infection protection does.


    There are the well known (to you - I'm sure) biological reasons for this difference.


    Now as far as two doses of vaccine giving negative VE (against omicron infection long after vaccination) I refer you to the paper you linked:


    Our analysis has several limitations. First, we were unable to differentiate individuals who received a third dose as part of an extended primary series (i.e., severely or moderately immunocompromised individuals) as well as those who were eligible for a third dose earlier (e.g., residents of retirement homes). As such, the proportion of our sample with a third dose may reflect these highly vulnerable populations, and thus VE may be lower than for the general population due to underlying comorbidities, for example. Second, due to sample size constraints, we were unable to provide age-specific VE estimates. Third, we were unable to estimate effectiveness against severe outcomes, due to the lag between infection and hospitalization or death. Fourth, there may be residual confounding that was not accounted for in our analysis. This includes an inability to control for previous undocumented infections, which may be differential by vaccination status, as well as confounding due to behavioural patterns. For example, if vaccinated individuals have more exposure to SARS-CoV-2, our VE estimates are likely underestimated.21 Last, changes in testing patterns, including increased use of rapid antigen tests (which are not captured in our data) and decreased PCR testing availability, may have impacted our estimates, but the direction of any resulting bias is uncertain.


    And in addition, from the paper:


    We used multivariable logistic regression to estimate odds ratios comparing the odds of vaccination in each “time since latest dose” interval among cases with the odds among controls, while adjusting for all listed covariates and a categorical variable for week of test.


    As a confounder, varying COVID rate across age groups, and with time, affects results. For omicron, with its super-fast attack rate, a resolution of one week is too low, rates in the UK were doubling every 2 days some times, in some age groups.


    So while I'm interested in these results, and would not rule out some negative effect of old vaccination on omicron VE, the data here does not support any such conclusion, much more work needs to be done.


    You know that right? Cos you are not an anti-vaxxer and therefore do not jump to conclusions?


    :)


    THH

    Quote from Bob#2

    We all know here that vaccinated, Covid positive people certainly CAN and DO transmit the virus.

    Yet they are allowed to work in a hospital, but a non-positive, non-vaccinated person cannot!

    In fact vaccinated only get infected 5x more likely and thus transmit CoV-19 5x more often. All studies are faked due to the fact that since May all countries except extreme vaccine terror places have at least 50% recovered immunity. Further 15% have natural immunity from earlier infections with classic corona and an other 10..15% have genetic immunity against all corona virus. Else all Indios in south America would have been killed by the invaders.


    So initially the vaccine protection rate was off 30% since May 2021 at least 70%. Or simply said some vaccines only like Pfizer did never really protect you. For Moderna its a bit better.

    Broken System: COVID-19 Positive & Potentially Infectious Health Care Workers Could Perform the Next Elective Surgery


    Broken System: COVID-19 Positive & Potentially Infectious Health Care Workers Could Perform the Next Elective Surgery
    Recently, TrialSite reported on the implication of the recent guideline updates from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) to help
    trialsitenews.com


    Recently, TrialSite reported on the implication of the recent guideline updates from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) to help alleviate widespread labor shortages in healthcare and other sectors. While the U.S. Supreme Court struck down the OSHA-associated COVID-19 vaccine mandates, the push for vaccination remains for health facilities subject to Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services (CMS) regulatory oversight. To overcome severe labor shortages during this unprecedented Omicron surge, in California and throughout America state health agencies, such as the California Department of Public Health (CDPH) declared on January 8, 2022, that COVID-19 positive employees—doctors, nurses, aides, and the like can come back to work after five days at home assuming they are both vaccinated and present either asymptomatic or mild symptoms. Now, it is OK to show up to work even if they are still positively infected and transmissible if they are vaccinated. TrialSite reminds all those scenarios involving unvaccinated individuals who were previously infected were not taken into consideration: these health care workers were either terminated or resigned, despite, in many cases, decades of loyal, committed service. In California this means that the vaccinated, yet still infected and contagious, health care workers are back on the job. Sandy Reding, president of the California Nurses Association called the move a “grave mistake that puts patients at risk.” TrialSite recently secured communication from a CEO of one Southern California health system explaining this arguably twisted new reality to the entire organization. In what TrialSite described in a previous piece as “Stranger Things,” the new policies exhibit how forces in American health care prioritize economy and politics over science.


    Calls and concerns about vaccine mandates on already existing labor shortages are well chronicled. Joe Biden seemingly didn’t care, as his marching order was to implement the SARS-CoV-2 eradication scheme via COVID-19 vaccination—even if the vaccine product durability became increasingly questionable.


    During the campaign trail, Biden (and Dr. Anthony Fauci) assured that such an approach wasn’t the right direction. That was then. Now, resignations and terminations leave health systems, hospitals, and clinics in a dire situation just as the Omicron surge explodes with record numbers of SARS-CoV-2 infections. So, the CDC justified loosening up guidance earlier this month which signaled to the various states to do the same, and the CDPH accommodated.


    TrialSite recently obtained a communication termed an “All Facility Letter” from the CEO of Ventura County-based Community Memorial Health System (CMHS), Gary Wilde. In this communication to all the organization’s staff and employees, the President & CEO explains the new policy at the state level while promulgating the reality for employees at the health care organization.



    Declaring that the CDPH “temporarily suspended” quarantine and isolation requirements for SARS-CoV-2 infected personnel, Wilde introduced the health care organization’s “Return to Work process for positive COVID-19 staff and physicians.” In what is a short duration, from just after the CDPH announcement to January 21, 2022 (subject to extension), the CEO communicated that the organization’s personnel who are home isolated from work after testing positive for COVID-19 may be eligible to return to work if they meet certain criteria. Wilde emphasized that this extraordinary measure could be extended under the following conditions:


    Staff must be fully vaccinated “regardless of booster status”

    Asymptomatic or mild and “improving” symptoms

    Feels comfortable returning and believes that their symptoms (if any) will not significantly interfere with their ability to safety perform their job

    Willing to sign a release authorizing other staff as to situation

    Wear N95 respiratory always through day 10 from symptom onset

    Before proceeding to the implications of these changes, again made possible first by CDC updates, what about the unvaccinated staff? The CEO wrote, “Unvaccinated staff who are removed from work after testing positive for COVID-19 will remain off work for a period of ten (10) days from their system onset.”


    Importantly, in following the CDC and then state CDPH, the community health system CEO ignores the important topic of natural immunity (among those that are unvaccinated or even those who are vaccinated).


    A Broken System

    Albeit temporary and in response to a crisis during this unprecedented Omicron surge involving record numbers of daily new SARS-CoV-2 infections, the turnaround in policy and paradigm is striking. With the Delta variant of concern—currently still in circulation—and Omicron, those infected individuals, regardless of vaccination status, can transmit the virus to others. As raised by the California Nursing Association, all sorts of new risks for infection are now not only possible but likely. Take an example, such as an elective surgery where a patient can be exposed to a still-infected SARS-CoV-2 infected nurse or doctor in the operating room. Apparently, now this scenario represents an acceptable risk profile.


    The point here isn’t to isolate and pick on this Ventura County healthcare institution. Their CEO, undoubtedly placed in a terribly difficult situation, doesn’t have the power to transcend the current crisis. From the POTUS mandate (now pared back by the Supreme Court) and the predicted crises unfolding thereafter, the CDC, state-level health agencies, and regional and community health systems are operating primarily in reactive mode thanks to an outrageously broken U.S. healthcare system.


    In the halls of power in Washington to Sacramento, politicians, and bureaucrats completely removed from reality plan, scheme, huddle, and position for more money, technology, and in many cases, authority in the hopes of transcending current crises while declaring their intent on “fixing” the system over the long run. They will accomplish neither. An out-of-control freight train, the entire health care system has failed: the pandemic merely produced the mirror for all to see the truth

    Israel starts to see a lot of booster deaths. 16 last week versus 10 unvaxx. But this just a trend as these figures will change over the next two weeks and as we know many die with Omicron not from Omicron as seen in teh California study or we had to learn from world wide cheated hospital data....

    Omicron for children? As mild as for the grown up?


    For sure milder than delta: https://www.medrxiv.org/conten…101/2022.01.12.22269179v1


    But Omicron is a racist virus - more than delta already was...


    Both Omicron andDelta variant disproportionately infected Black children, especially the Omicron variant.Among 520,624 children under age 5 in the TriNetX database who had any medical encounter with healthcare systems between 9/1/2021-1/6/2022, 14.6% were black, which is significantly lower than the 26.1% among Omicron-infected children (P <0.001) and 20.0% among Delta infected children (P <0.001) suggesting the disparity in infection with both Delta and Omicron, even in children under 5 years old.


    Obesity ?? Living conditions access to support medication? (V-D3)

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    One thing we clearly can see from recent India data:: Vaccines are highly counter productive. The increasing rate in the 2 left over vaccine terror states Kerala Mizoram is much higher than for larger states with a high immunity thanks to treatment and natural protection. Only large cities like Delhi see a similar high rate due to much more interaction.


    But we cannot rely on death statistics with omicron as we know from research, that such events are extremely unlikely. So most deaths must be with Omicron not from Omicron.


    Nevertheless the western media are still fear mongering throughout Europe, what now is most easily seen as it is 100% opposing reality.
    Vaccine passes now are a guarantee that you are free to infect others. There is no longer any justification for such a terror regime except to reward cowards for spending money for future terror games.


    Next terror event will soon unfold. Russia will enter Ukraine within the next few days/weeks. This will turnover world wide finance markets as NATO wants to exclude Russia from international finance clearing as has been done for Iran too.


    So the theater can go on following the diffusion playbook to fool the masses.


    Same seen here to many crappy ideas are discussed. This spoils time and resources.

    Today I did download the Swiss raw data and the data dictionary.


    So as suspected the header "unknown" does not mean unknown "vaccine" status of a dead it means unknown vaccine... But we have a central database from where we generate the vaccine passports that contains all details....


    What can we conclude. Companies like Pfizer/Moderna do not like to see their name behind large numbers of deaths. In fact we here had all the time a 1:1 relation for vaccinated died unvaxx died....What does this mean?


    If we count in that e.g. some regions like Geneva with a high gamma load had 70% natural immunization already in May 2021 then we must say that some vaccines like Biontec never did protect anybody in average...


    But we have no means (really?) to find the really vulnerable that could have had some profit from the somewhat better "vaccines". Of course - with Omicron - today the story looks 100% different.


    We always did know that Pfizer helps 0 for Omicron as it was the same for Beta already. All studies telling else are cheating marketing news. If you fetch all old recovered into the vaccine group it is obvious that you simply want to cheat the figures.

    So it is the different proportion of recovered in the unvaxx (very low) versus vaxx group that mimics the claimed success of gene (vaxx..) therapies.

    And yes with every gene therapy you send about 1% of the vaxx into the CoV-19 bucket. So vulnerable and deaths after vaccine in most countries end up the CoV-19-death group...


    For me it would be a large surprise if once around 2025, when all data has been seriously analyzed, we will see a "vaccine" effect > 40%...

    Quote from Wyttenbach

    For me it would be a large surprise if once around 2025

    any Postmortem on the global BigGov and BigPharm response to Covid will be apocalyptic

    if it is permitted to happen


    the current opening up of NSW state (popn = 8M) in response to omicron may get a a tick of approval


    presently the actual vs modelled predicts a peak in 4-5 days..with ICU bed capacity able to cope

    https://www.health.nsw.gov.au/Infectious/covid-19/Documents/covid-ward-icu-scenarios-20220104-updated-20220113.pdf

    Quote from RobertBryant

    presently the actual vs modelled predicts a peak in 4-5 days..with ICU bed capacity able to cope

    I would not make any prediction for AUS. It's one of the few states with lowest natural immunity. Vaccines barely protect the vulnerable old and a very high percentage will end up in hospital but not so many in ICU.


    So the main problem will be the sheer number and the missing personal. And the missing anti virals.....

    This is the third message today of heart problem for in total 4 footballers! Very alarming!


    Afrika-Cup 2022: Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang muss mit Herzproblemen nach Coronainfektion aussetzen
    Die gabunischen Fußballer Aubameyang, Meye und Lemina wurden positiv auf das Coronavirus getestet. Beim Afrika-Cup sollten sie wieder auflaufen – doch…
    www.spiegel.de


    It looks like vaccinated footballers getting Omicron is high risk for heart damage.


    This is an expected ADE of spike RNA gene therapy. The single point immune response triggered will attack the remaining cells that still own spike RNA. And as the match between Omicron and S1 lock from Pfizer is almost zero a very high number of useless antibodies will be produce that now attack the own body....


    Some folks will be out for 6 months!

    Quote from Wyttenbach

    This is the third message today of heart problem for in total 4 footballers! Very alarming!

    Today we heard that Canada's new star footballer is out with myocarditis.

    Bayern Munich says Canadian star Alphonso Davies has heart muscle issue after COVID bout
    Alphonso Davies' return from a bout of COVID-19 has been put on hold with Bayern Munich saying the Canadian star shows signs of an inflammation of the heart…
    www.cp24.com

    It's blamed on a recent bout with Covid but almost surely the damage was initiated and ultimately caused by his vaccinations.

    Quote from Mark U

    It's blamed on a recent bout with Covid but almost surely the damage was initiated and ultimately caused by his vaccinations.

    That is what the antivaxxers say


    Researchers Investigate What COVID-19 Does to the Heart
    This Medical News article discusses reports of myocardial injury and myocarditis among patients with COVID-19.
    jamanetwork.com


    The effects of cardiac inflammation in COVID-19 are wide-ranging and, for some, appear to be the infection’s main feature. In March, physicians in Italy determined that inflammation of the heart muscle and sac, known as myopericarditis, was likely behind extreme fatigue in an otherwise healthy 53-year-old woman with a positive SARS-CoV-2 test who had mild respiratory symptoms and fever a week earlier.


    Experts haven’t reached consensus on how long viral myocarditis takes to resolve, in part because sophisticated imaging tools and protocols for accurately diagnosing it are relatively new; in addition, the duration of clinical symptoms may not match serological or imaging biomarkers. This unknown has made it hard to interpret some findings from recovered patients.


    A study published in May, for example, examined 26 patients discharged from a Wuhan hospital after recovering from moderate to severe COVID-19. The patients had had symptoms including chest pain and palpitations for a median of 47 days by the time they underwent cardiac magnetic resonance (CMR) imaging. Fourteen patients had edema—fluid retention, which is the key sign of active inflammation on CMR. Many of them also had indicators of scarring and decreased right ventricle function.

    Quote from Wyttenbach

    It looks like vaccinated footballers getting Omicron is high risk for heart damage.


    This is an expected ADE of spike RNA gene therapy. The single point immune response triggered will attack the remaining cells that still own spike RNA. And as the match between Omicron and S1 lock from Pfizer is almost zero a very high number of useless antibodies will be produce that now attack the own body....

    This is a Wyttenfact

    Quote from Mark U

    Today we heard that Canada's new star footballer is out with myocarditis.

    https://www.cp24.com/sports/ba…fter-covid-bout-1.5739927

    It's blamed on a recent bout with Covid but almost surely the damage was initiated and ultimately caused by his vaccinations

    almost every data and statistics show that myocarditis after a covid infection is ca 6x more likely than after vaccination. Wasn’t his vaccination long time ago? Usually it should develop more or less directly after a vaccination…

    Quote from zorud

    almost every data and statistics show that myocarditis after a covid infection is ca 6x more likely than after vaccination. Wasn’t his vaccination long time ago? Usually it should develop more or less directly after a vaccination…

    A recent Nature paper shows that for men under 40, myocarditis is more likely from vaccination than from covid infection. And that's just based on covid cases. Most covid infections (by far) are not 'cases'.

    See https://vinayprasadmdmph.subst…ts-myocarditis-stratified

    for a good analysis and for a link to the Nature paper.


    About Alphonso Davies' vaccination, I'm not sure when his latest inoculation occurred. The guy is only about 20 years old if I recall so he would not be expected to be at serious risk from covid. The same cannot be said for the injection which of course bypasses the body's natural defences.


    What's more alarming to me is that people can have severe myocarditis without even presenting with chest pain.

    Here's a story of a 26 year old who died from the vaccine, and he only presented with muscle aches, fatigue and a faster than usual heart rate. (A very important detail in the story is that an autopsy revealed no problem with the heart, until a histopathologist had the heart muscle tissue under a microscope. Then it was evident his entire heart was compromised. This is consistent with a German pathologist's findings - that over 10 people who dropped dead had an autopsy revealing no problem with the heart, but when their cases were handed over to him, the heart tissue under the microscope revealed an entirely different picture. )


    Exclusive: Autopsy Confirms 26-Year-Old’s Death From Myocarditis Directly Caused by Pfizer COVID Vaccine
    In an exclusive interview with The Defender, Joseph Keating’s mother said her son’s only warning signs were fatigue, muscle soreness and an increased heart…
    childrenshealthdefense.org

    So Prof Didier Raoult and hydroxychloroquine as an effective anti-viral are back on the table? Changing the pH of intracellular vacuoles preventing viral entry just as it blocks the malarial parasites entry to infect red blood cells? What can I say but I told you so at the beginning of this thread in Jan 2019! :)

    While Whistleblower Brings FDA Smoking Gun Evidence of Serious Data Problems Concerning Pfizer COVID-19 Vaccine, the Agency Frets Over French Dressing


    While Whistleblower Brings FDA Smoking Gun Evidence of Serious Data Problems Concerning Pfizer COVID-19 Vaccine, the Agency Frets Over French Dressing
    We recently examined the National Institutes for Health’s (NIH) failure to fund research into repurposable therapeutics during the pandemic in a TrialSite
    trialsitenews.com


    We recently examined the National Institutes for Health’s (NIH) failure to fund research into repurposable therapeutics during the pandemic in a TrialSite article “COVID-19 Pandemic: What Have We Learned about Effective Responses to Save Lives?”


    We felt it fitting to check in with another member of the Alphabet Soup Gang to see what they are actively doing to address the current national crisis. As cases increase exponentially, essential services are grinding to a halt, hospitalizations are surging while staff shortages are choking the ability to provide care, and while the hospital staff is being advised to work with covid in some states, it’s been frustrating to see little to no help coming from the FDA. The questionable EUA for molnupiravir is just the latest example of their concerning actions and inaction, as we covered here.


    However, yesterday, it became clear that the FDA has been engrossed in leveraging their regulatory powers that led to their issuance of the landmark rule that will no doubt improve the health and wellbeing of all Americans.


    Lest you think that this was a simple regulatory rule change requiring minimal effort, it’s been in the works for years by our ever-diligent top national health regulatory agency. In late December 2020, when the pandemic’s most deadly surge was raging, the FDA submitted this detailed rule change proposal.



    Now seeing what critical matters the FDA was dedicated to leading up to this filing, it’s clear why they didn’t have the time or resources to perform other lower priority tasks, such as inspecting the four Ventavia trial sites that were reported for shocking quality control issues by an internal employee. Remember this is the whistleblower working for a contract research organization (CRO) serving the Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine clinical trial. Evidence was provided by the employee directly to the FDA via a formal complaint.


    Despite being handed the smoking gun on a silver platter, the FDA was clearly working on more pressing matters at the time, such as the revocation of the standard identity for French dressing.

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