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  • Growing Number of Experts Call on US Government to Recognize Natural Immunity

    CDC vaccination schedule should incorporate prior infection, experts say


    Growing Number of Experts Call on US Government to Recognize Natural Immunity
    A growing number of experts are urging the U.S. government to formally recognize natural immunity, or the protection ...
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    A growing number of experts are urging the U.S. government to formally recognize natural immunity, or the protection given by recovering from COVID-19.


    More experts are arguing that the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s (CDC) recommended vaccination schedule should feature fewer doses—or none at all—for people who have contracted COVID-19 and survived.


    “Natural infection should count as two doses,” Dr. Paul Offit, professor of pediatrics at the Children’s Hospital of Philadelphia, and an adviser to the Food and Drug Administration on vaccines, told The Epoch Times.


    Offit and two former FDA officials stated in a recent op-ed that “requiring people who have been infected to get three shots is overkill at best—a waste of valuable doses—and an unnecessary risk at worst (given that vaccines have side effects, albeit rare ones).”


    Under current CDC guidance, all Americans 12 and older are advised to get three doses of the Moderna or Pfizer COVID-19 vaccines. The CDC defines fully vaccinated as people who get two shots of the Moderna or Pfizer COVID-19 vaccines, or the single-shot Johnson & Johnson jab.


    The CDC’s guidance isn’t binding but is cited by companies and jurisdictions when imposing vaccine mandates. Many mandates force workers or residents to get fully vaccinated; others require a booster on top of the primary series because of waning protection. Few have exemptions for natural immunity.


    Eric Topol, founder and director of the Scripps Research Translational Institute, wrote in a separate op-ed that the increasing number of studies showing how strong and long-lasting natural immunity is should prompt the CDC to redefine fully vaccinated in two ways: People who have gotten a primary series and not been infected should need a third dose, while those with prior infection should only need one shot.


    Recent research on the matter includes a study funded by Johnson & Johnson and the U.S. government that found that previous infection alone provided 90 percent protection against moderate to severe COVID-19—the vaccine only provided 56 percent protection—and a paper backed by the CDC that found natural immunity was more protective than vaccination against the Delta variant of SARS-CoV-2.


    Some experts, such as Offit, push for what’s known as hybrid immunity. They point to papers that suggest that people who have been infected and go on to get a single vaccine dose are better protected than those with prior infection who remain unvaccinated, including a Cleveland Clinic study published earlier in February.


    Dr. David Boulware, a professor of medicine at the University of Minnesota, agrees.

    Boulware said he worries that not everybody who contracts COVID-19 will generate an immune response. He helped with a study published in 2021 that had participants self-collect serologic samples. The findings indicate that people with more COVID-19 symptoms were more likely to show evidence of prior infection.


    “For persons with prior documented COVID-19, they should receive at least one follow-up vaccine at three to six months after initial infection. For those with prior infection, two sequential vaccines in rapid sequence of 0, 21, or 28 days do virtually nothing immunologically, other than generate side effects. At present (based on current rules), I would recommend all those with prior infection to have a vaccine at three months after initial infection and then again after six months from initial infection,” Boulware told The Epoch Times in an email.


    Top U.S. health officials such as CDC Director Dr. Rochelle Walensky have acknowledged that natural immunity occurs but have repeatedly urged people to get vaccinated, even if they recover from COVID-19, with a full vaccination schedule.


    Offit says he was among four people who were asked to share their views on natural immunity in 2021 with Walensky and other officials, including Dr. Anthony Fauci, the longtime head of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID) and the chief medical adviser to President Joe Biden. The virtual meeting, which took place after Surgeon General Vivek Murthy was confirmed by the Senate and before Dr. Francis Collins stepped down as head of the National Institutes of Health (NIH), didn’t lead to a shift in government guidance.


    “I think it’s because the opinions were sort of generally diverse, so there wasn’t a clear, unified message that came out of that,” Offit told The Epoch Times.


    One possible issue is how people could prove they’ve been infected and recovered, with suggestions including serologic tests.


    The CDC, the NIH, NIAID, Murthy, Walensky, Fauci, and Collins didn’t respond to requests for comment. The Epoch Times has filed Freedom of Information Act requests for details on the meeting.


    Other experts say the protection people with natural immunity enjoy is so strong that they may not or definitely don’t need any vaccine doses.


    Dr. Robert Malone, who helped create the messenger RNA technology that the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines are built on, pointed to research that suggests that people with natural immunity have a greater risk of suffering adverse events after getting vaccinated as well as a collection of studies on protection from natural immunity.


    “Over 140 papers demonstrate that—superiority of natural immunity,” Malone told The Epoch Times. “And furthermore, if you jab somebody after they have natural immunity, their risk of adverse events goes up.”


    One recent study from Italian researchers found that people who recovered from COVID-19 had a low risk of reinfection and a very low risk of severe or deadly COVID-19. They said the risk-benefit of vaccine doses for the population should be “carefully evaluated.”


    “From the point of view of the individual who recovered from a previous infection, vaccination will provide a very limited benefit, as his/her risk of a severe or lethal disease is extremely low, especially if she/he is young,” Dr. Lamberto Manzoli, one of the authors, told The Epoch Times in an email.


    On the other hand, vaccinating the naturally immune “may still provide some benefit, because approximately 1 percent of these subjects may have a reinfection and therefore transmit the disease,” he said. “Clearly, their impact on the overall pandemic is difficult to quantify, and it is likely to be very scarce, but if we want to take a very conservative approach, vaccination may still provide some benefit. Importantly, we have to use the word ‘may’ because, as I mentioned in the manuscript, an in-depth evaluation of the risk-benefit should be made for these subjects.”

  • A growing number of experts are urging the U.S. government to formally recognize natural immunity, or the protection given by recovering from COVID-19.

    This is just nice music.


    I wait for the US legal Experts suing the top members of CDC/FDA/State etc... In the EU a complaint has been entered at Den Haag also covering Fauci and the Pfizer Boss for violation of the Nürnberg treaty.

  • Recent research on the matter includes a study funded by Johnson & Johnson and the U.S. government that found that previous infection alone provided 90 percent protection against moderate to severe COVID-19—the vaccine only provided 56 percent protection—and a paper backed by the CDC that found natural immunity was more protective than vaccination against the Delta variant of SARS-CoV-2.

    In reality infection protection is at least 10000x better than a vaccine for the risk of death...The difference for severe risk and hospitalization is in the range of 10x. The above data is faked because today at least 70% of the vaccinated are recovered but not tested for recovered and thus count as vaccinated only. So vaccine protection is not 56% its just about 17%.

    So take Omicron as a free vaccine!

  • for violation of the Nürnberg treaty

    Seneff 2021

    Worse Than the Disease? Reviewing Some Possible Unintended Consequences of the mRNA Vaccines Against COVID-19 | International Journal of Vaccine Theory, Practice, and Research

    "

    Public policy around mass vaccination has generally proceeded on the assumption that the
    risk/benefit ratio for the novel mRNA vaccines is a “slam dunk.” With the massive vaccination
    campaign well under way in response to the declared international emergency of COVID-19, we
    have rushed into vaccine experiments on a world-wide scale

    of course Pfizer/Moderna +govs will maintain that the rush was needed but there was no risk

    there was no experiment on a global scale...

    Seneff made a few recommendations in May 2021

    ,,, how many were done?

    Certainly No.1 was done poorly. No.2.. No.3 not at all..


    1.A national effort to collect detailed data on adverse events associated with the mRNA
    vaccines with abundant funding allocation, tracked well beyond the first couple of weeks
    after vaccination.


    2. Repeated autoantibody testing of the vaccine-recipient population. The autoantibodies tested
    could be standardized and should be based upon previously documented antibodies and
    autoantibodies potentially elicited by the spike protein. These include autoantibodies against
    phospholipids, collagen, actin, thyroperoxidase (TPO), myelin basic protein, tissue
    transglutaminase, and perhaps others.


    3.

    Immunological profiling related to cytokine balance and related biological effects. Tests
    should include, at a minimum, IL-6, INF-α, D-dimer, fibrinogen, and C-reactive protein.


    4.

    Studies comparing populations who were vaccinated with the mRNA vaccines and those
    who were not to confirm the expected decreased infection rate and milder symptoms of the
    vaccinated group, while at the same time comparing the rates of various autoimmune
    diseases and prion diseases in the same two populations.


    etc..


    International Journal of Vaccine Theory, Practice, and Research 2(1), May 10, 2021 Page | 67

  • Please stop talking of covid. Now is the turn of Ukrain-Russia war to flood Playground.

    See Lord Casco (spaceballs) at NN live

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  • Well our modern societies are not well suited for war with Russia so we have not much to bargain with, especially my home country. Think no electricity and fuel.


    I don't trust the situation and have prepped in case of an escalation.

  • 4th Dose COVID mRNA Vaccines’ Immunogenicity & Efficacy Against Omicron VOC


    4th Dose COVID mRNA Vaccines’ Immunogenicity & Efficacy Against Omicron VOC
    BACKGROUND Following the emergence of the Omicron variant of concern, we investigated immunogenicity, efficacy and safety of BNT162b2 or mRNA1273 fourth dose…
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    Abstract

    BACKGROUND Following the emergence of the Omicron variant of concern, we investigated immunogenicity, efficacy and safety of BNT162b2 or mRNA1273 fourth dose in an open-label, clinical intervention trial.


    METHODS Primary end-points were safety and immunogenicity and secondary end-points were vaccine efficacy in preventing SARS-CoV-2 infections and COVID-19 symptomatic disease. The two intervention arms were compared to a matched control group. Eligible participants were healthcare-workers (HCW) vaccinated with three BNT162b2 doses, and whose IgG antibody levels were ≤700 BAU (40-percentile). IgG and neutralizing titers, direct neutralization of live VOCs, and T-cell activation were assessed. All participants were actively screened for SARS-CoV-2 infections on a weekly basis.


    RESULTS Of 1050 eligible HCW, 154 and 120 were enrolled to receive BNT162b2 and mRNA1273, respectively, and compared to 426 age-matched controls. Recipients of both vaccine types had a ∼9-10-fold increase in IgG and neutralizing titers within 2 weeks of vaccination and an 8-fold increase in live Omicron VOC neutralization, restoring titers to those measured after the third vaccine dose. Breakthrough infections were common, mostly very mild, yet, with high viral loads. Vaccine efficacy against infection was 30% (95%CI:-9% to 55%) and 11% (95%CI:-43% to +43%) for BNT162b2 and mRNA1273, respectively. Local and systemic adverse reactions were reported in 80% and 40%, respectively.


    CONCLUSIONS The fourth COVID-19 mRNA dose restores antibody titers to peak post-third dose titers. Low efficacy in preventing mild or asymptomatic Omicron infections and the infectious potential of breakthrough cases raise the urgency of next generation vaccine development.


    Trial registration number clicaltrials.gov: NCT05231005, NCT05230953

  • CONCLUSIONS The fourth COVID-19 mRNA dose restores antibody titers to peak post-third dose titers. Low efficacy in preventing mild or asymptomatic Omicron infections and the infectious potential of breakthrough cases raise the urgency of next generation vaccine development.

    Such papers are a criminal misleading of the population. As Israel data did clearly show (before it got faked) Boostered did die at a higher rate than unavaxx. The death rate of boostered did increase 30x within weeks.


    The antibodies these folk do count do not protect against Omicron. Even worse these antibodies make people more vulnerable to any viral infection. This is 100% fact for the Pfizer crap.


    For Moderna:: Moderna needs no booster as the second RNA still highly protects for death/Severe disease. Moderna is much closer to a vaccine but also contains the high damaging spike protein. Thus stay away from damaging RNA gene therapy.

    If you need a booster:: Take Novavax or J&J or the Cuba vaccine or the new India protein vaccine. Also Sanofi just will be ready!

  • Please stop talking of covid. Now is the turn of Ukrain-Russia war to flood Playground.

    See Lord Casco (spaceballs) at NN live

    This has been announced as a part of the world wide FM/R/B Mafia playbook. War relaxes control everywhere as the focus does shift. Expect more FM/R/B crimes everywhere in the world.


    There is still a terror regime in place in almost all western fake democracies (USA,DE,FR,AU,PO,H,....) All these leaders have the same mind as Putin.


    But one thing is obvious: Putin is in the middle of a cancer chemo. And he wants to be remembered by history... As the biggest idiot/criminal ever making it to a Russian leader after the historic mad Zar.

  • There have been long discussions concerning Covid-war. I hope you (Alan) don't classify real war as politics, because there happen real events that hurt people.

    I suppose every European is very worried about the situation in Ukraine. The "saldo" for today is still probably less than 100 deaths as a starting point.


    When trying to guess what happens after Ukraine the logic seems to be that the Baltic countries will follow.

    Now there is one thing that Putin needs to consider, many of them are members of NATO. Unfortunately we (Finland) are not a member so the next

    easiest step could be us in spite of our good relations with NATO.


    So you could probably understand our anxiety especially knowing that we have a 1300km border with Russia.

  • In LENR community we are from many places, and today, it will be hard for some of us, if not all more or less...

    I may disagree with some governments (euphemism), but sure I want to cheer all people here, especially those whose name are in Cyrillic, but also roman, Greek letters, arabic letters, ideograms, with or without accents.

    I'm in some state of furor, but as there are some places where one should not talk of LENR or cold fusion, here it is not the subject to talk of war.


    Just accept I appreciate you all, we have a problem which is not to be discussed here, and if someone here helps the discovery of LENR development in real world, he would have done more than any discussion on war.


    So, if you can do something to help, search, be professional, be rational, be open, be creative, be scientific, be precise, be methodical, be a researcher.


    Whatever you think morally of Haber and Bosh, they saved more people from starvation than any army have saved from evil forces.


    Be Haber,

    be Borlaugh,

    be professional.


    || ;(


    You shall overcome.

    “Only puny secrets need keeping. The biggest secrets are kept by public incredulity.” (Marshall McLuhan)
    twitter @alain_co

  • but sure I want to cheer all people here, especially those whose name are in Cyrillic, but also roman, Greek letters, arabic letters, ideograms,

    Its never against the people. It's always against the criminal money laundering folks that use power to press out money, or e.g. LENR knowledge (USPTO) ...

    Since today most Russians hate Putin.

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