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    Quote from Fm1

    But this has since plunged seven-fold to as little as 0.03 per cent, meaning it kills effectively just one in every 3,300 people who get infected.

    This is still top down fake news as these folks only look at official case numbers. But with a positive rate 40% e.g. we have 10x more cases than detected. Further with Omicron only boostered and vaccinated die from Omicron most others die with Omicron.

    We have about 200'000 cases and 10..12 deaths from/with Omicron. So it is well below 0.01 and as said for age < 50 its 0.00001... Eating an apple is more deadly ask snow white...

    Quote from Fm1

    Scientists have credited the build-up of immunity after repeated waves of the virus, the vaccine rollout and the fact Omicron is inherently milder than older forms of the virus.

    This is a fraudulent claim easy to understand if you look at UK'sbasic data. https://assets.publishing.serv…llance-report-week-10.pdf


    The death/hospitalization rate for "vaccinated" is far higher than for unvaxx. > 70% in UK are recovered now in all age groups. Only recovered are protected!

    New York Times Raises the Specter that Pfizer’s COVID-19 Vaccine may Disappoint in 6 Month to 11-year- old Children


    New York Times Raises the Specter that Pfizer’s COVID-19 Vaccine may Disappoint in 6 Month to 11-year- old Children
    The State of Florida’s top doctor, Joseph Ladapo, recently went on the record that they wouldn’t recommend vaccinating healthy children with the COVID-19
    trialsitenews.com



    The State of Florida’s top doctor, Joseph Ladapo, recently went on the record that they wouldn’t recommend vaccinating healthy children with the COVID-19 vaccine, as there isn’t the clinical data to justify continuing the massive inoculation program. Yet other states such as California will soon require all school children to be inoculated against COVID-19 by Fall 2022. But there currently is no vaccine available for children under 12 due to disappointing clinical trial findings associated with Pfizer’s mRNA-based vaccine to date. Both the Delta and Omicron variants of SARS-CoV-2 have complicated the vaccine trials as they more easily evade vaccine antibodies, and the most recent data suggests BNT162b2, an mRNA-based vaccine, is less protective in the child cohort of ages 2 to 4. Less than 25% of children aged 5 to 11 are fully immunized, while just over 50% of the teenage cohort (12 to 17 years of age) are fully vaccinated. Only about 12% of that group has received a booster. Meanwhile, the Center for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) on one hand, reminds all that more children under 5 were hospitalized due to the Omicron surge, yet on the other hand promulgates that 90% of American society can go about without masks in public indoor spaces, applying this loosening of mask recommendations to even schools. What are parents supposed to do? Who are they supposed to follow?


    These serious and vexing questions were raised not by a fringe political news blog or some independent media with a chip on its shoulder, but by the New York Times. Reporter Apoorva Mandavilli shares some of the unfolding, seemingly contradictory forces associated with child COVID-19 vaccination while the writer and her employer avoid all together the topic of natural immunity—that subject matter is perhaps still too taboo for American mainstream media circles to embrace. But that clearly could change soon.


    TrialSite recognizes Ms. Mandavilli’s writing portends a change in the official narrative and most certainly represents a deviation from the near-propaganda like reporting that big news was pushing several months ago.


    A series of conflicting data points with unfolding school mandates do raise profound questions given children represent the most vulnerable in society, and at least, the New York Times has started to probe the ugly mess that is the public health apparatus and COVID-19.



    The story ostensibly emphasizes the concern many parents have about the delays associated with the COVID-19 vaccine for young people aged 11 and under. Those ongoing clinical trials segment the young subjects into two cohorts, including age 6 months to 5 years and another, ages 6 to 11 years old.


    What’s the right dosage?

    The clinical trials for the ages 12 to 17 cohort produced results the regulators could work with, but they were administered an adult dose at 30 micrograms. The 5 to 11 years old cohort received 10 micrograms, and the 6 months to 5-year cohort only 3 micrograms.


    The results weren’t great, especially in the ages of 2 to 4. Of note, the New York Times shared that clearly, the dosage levels were too low for the original two-dose protocol. Mandavilli commented, “These doses may have been too low to rouse an adequate and lasting response.” The reporter then shared an important piece of information: “But federal officials who have seen the data told The New York Times that higher doses produced too many fevers in children.”


    Now, of course, the vaccine sponsor organized a study investigating the use of a third booster dose, as they work around the clock to find a dosing regimen that works. But they are racing against time and nature as many children have already been hit with Omicron. What if Florida Surgeon General Joseph Ladapo is correct, that there is a lack of published benefit for COVID-19 vaccination of healthy children or those that have already been infected by the Omicron variant, for example? Put another way, what does the true risk-benefit analysis look like with those factors?


    What would that mean for universal COVID-19 school mandates for children in California, Louisiana, and the District of Columbia?


    What if the confluence of unfolding data points now reveal a science that counters the current orthodoxy? Clearly, the New York Times editorial leadership seems to at least, be open to anticipate that this story could unfold in a very different way then they reported on just a few months ago. Ms. Mandavilli certainly raises some important issues declaring, “The disappointing [children vaccination data] findings, along with the receding Omicron surge, have greatly complicated policy decisions for local health officials.”


    And the complications will only intensify if the federal policy setters continue to promote an agenda seemingly contrary to the evolving science—Afterall, as Mandavilli shared, the most recent child vaccination data “was only weakly protective against infection with the Omicron variant among children aged 5 to 11, and it appeared to offer little defense against moderate COVID illness among adolescents aged 12 to 17.”


    Of course, Pfizer may come out with compelling data in the weeks ahead with the ongoing children’s vaccine study. Perhaps a third dose can generate good enough data for the scientific community to justify a regimen for children 11 down to six month-old babies. But this would represent incomplete science without factoring in rigorous study of natural immunity—just how effective is natural immunity among younger people at this point of the pandemic and just how evasive is the Omicron against BNT162b2?


    Numbers are up with Omicron

    Bill Gates, one of the world’s top vaccine financiers has already referred to Omicron as a sort of superior vaccine to that of the Pfizer product. Parents should expect not only positive data driving any child vaccination authorization but also a comprehensive risk-benefit analysis that includes the true risks of COVID-19 associated with young children for severe disease and long COVID alongside the risks of vaccine safety incidents as well as the impact of natural immunity against Omicron and other relevant variants. Perhaps, the COVID-19 vaccination scheme becomes more of a risk-based initiative, where recommendations are based on the true risk continuum versus a one-size fits all approach


    New Vaccine Findings Pose Tough Questions for Parents of Young Children
    The F.D.A. temporarily halted efforts to authorize the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine for young children amid several unexpected findings. The coming weeks should…
    www.nytimes.com

    Quote from Wyttenbach

    In fact there is/was no excess mortality for age <65!

    That is for Switzerland, and I don't know how to reconcile this with what certain insurance companies are reporting in the US : starting in the third quarter of 2021, deaths have done through the roof, with at least one reporting an unheard of 40 percent increase in deaths of those aged 16 to 64.


    https://www.thecentersquare.com/indiana/indiana-life-insurance-ceo-says-deaths-are-up-40-among-people-ages-18-64/article_71473b12-6b1e-11ec-8641-5b2c06725e2c.html


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    Quote from Seatrout

    What a mess.

    For sure, Ukraine is a mess! Tens of billions of western money are poured into it since the 2014 coup (through IMF and others), yet Ukraine's economy has never been worse in recent history. The pinnacle of money laundering. Darkest underbelly of 'democracy'. Sons and daughters of prominent US democrat leaders in well paid positions in Ukraine, yet at the same time terrible economic and social persecution of ethnic minorities in Ukraine, from the Hungarians in the west to the Russians in the east, the latter of which have been bombed by eager Ukrainian ultranationalists since 2014. Zelensky had tried to stop it and act upon the Minsk agreements, but the nationalists disrespect and ignore him, and he knows his days are numbered if he resists their demands. Now he pretends to go along with it.

    I seem to have a serious case of cynicism this morning. Is it infectious? Let's try it:

    1) All news is fake. Don't believe anything you hear or read. It's just entertainment.

    2) All pictures are fake, both digital and chemical. Show me the real thing!

    3) Equations are just guesses and have little if any connection to reality.

    5) Don't show me any data without describing in detail where it came from and how.


    Hmm, now it's time for lunch. Bye kids....

    Quote from magicsound

    3) Equations are just guesses and have little if any connection to reality.

    5) Don't show me any data without describing in detail where it came from and how.

    Curious what examples you have of 3 and 5? But yes, as to the other points you bring up, we are starting to sound like a bunch of kids. The level of discussion on this thread is going downhill. At one time even the COVID talk was of a high level, but now trending the other way.


    Hopefully our guests skip The Playground and instead go straight to the other threads where we sound more like adults.

    Quote from Mark U

    Darkest underbelly of 'democracy'. Sons and daughters of prominent US democrat leaders in well paid positions in Ukraine, yet at the same time terrible economic and social persecution of ethnic minorities in Ukraine, from the Hungarians in the west to the Russians in the east, the latter of which have been bombed by eager Ukrainian ultranationalists since 2014.

    Russia (+China) is far worse than Ukraine. The eastern Ukraine (Donbas) story is simple. Putin brought in special KGB forces that undermined several political institutions and suppressed the local forces. All independent people from Donbass left the region after the KGB did take over. There is not a single Donbass born guy among the local ruling forces.


    2014 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viktor_Yanukovych Yanukovych was a Putin friend that managed to steal 1 billion $ during his first year of presidency. 2014 was the year where Ukraine got rid of the worst Oligarchs. Just two have been allowed to stay in Ukraine. But they lost any influence over the last few years.

    what a mess is all I can say, looking back to just 2012 of what little get out in the news you need to look at cross-eyed.
    i cant see a way to understand most of this event other then to look at the timing of everything but it all falls under assumptions.

    I have no idea who to believe \

    just like the virus .5g, putting more satellites up. mucking up the data for the sun, systemic, and magnitudes.

    ect ect..

    going to go back to my cars. less stress.

    again... what a mess.

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    Are you saying you believe him now? Or then? Or anytime in recent history? Do you believe he is able to order all the millions of chips/AI hardware from Amazon during the chip shortage?

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