Rossi on Restricted Access to the E-Cat Customer’s Production Facility

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    [feedquote='E-Cat World','http://www.e-catworld.com/2016/05/20/rossi-on-restricted-access-to-the-e-cat-customers-production-facility/']One of the interesting pieces of information to come out from Mats Lewan’s recent article following his meeting with Andrea Rossi was that no one from Industrial Heat had access to the production unit that was using the heat generated by the 1 MW E-Cat plant. The plant and the enclosed production unit were housed […][/feedquote]

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    The text of the agreement has been written by IH and accepted by JM.


    Warm Regards,A.R.


    Dewey,


    Rossi is saying, in no uncertain terms, that Darden himself contractually wrote IH out of access to this supposed
    customers 1MW plant. I find that hard to believe, but....


    Would you like you comment on behalf of IH? Only condition being you can not say "Planet Rossi", or "Team Rossi" in your post. :)

    Shane D - that is new information to me. Did Rossi upload the JM Products agreement as part of his litigation filing? Both Rossi and Johnson, his attorney have to prove that JMP was a completely independent UK entity that needed real heat for their production needs. Their ship goes down on that requirement alone.


    I'll see what I can find out and follow-up with you. I also wonder why Rossi wouldn't let his buddy Mats and the Hydrofusion folks see the customer production area?

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    I have said it since moment one when the complaint was known: the customer holds the key to resolve this controversy. I personally think this shell company can't be other than a ex profeso created US subsidiary of Johnson Mathei Products from UK, even if Rossi plainly denies it. In this case Rossi can technically deny it without lying, because JM products is not technically the same company, even if subsidiary. But there is only one UK based company that makes nickel sponges, and it's Johnson Mathei. The only way it could not be Johnson Mathei is that the product is not nickel sponges, but then Mats Lewan was fed disinfo in this regard, and all of us accordingly after reading him, which would be regretable.

    Curbina - It is great news to me that you'd like to focus on the customer. Let's do this Rossi style:


    1. Is Johnson Mathei a real company from the UK? Never heard of them.
    2. You seem to have some specific knowledge in the "customer" category. Perhaps you can help with some additional details about the lack of evidence for ANY shipping & receiving at the "customer's" sight.
    3. How about the customer production hours? There is some very interesting information from IH intelligence and fact-gathering about the times the "customer" "employees" were actually in the building.
    4. How is Rossi planning to explain the 24/7 350 day "waste heat" for the extraordinary number of hours that the customer's side of the building was virtually empty?

    5. How does one get to be a moderator on this forum?

    Dewey, I agree that I too have a huge problem to identify there was a production which usully requires stuff like goods in/products out, quality, logistics, paperwork, and of course some staff - all obviously locked in one container! interesting to read your comment on "employees". Maybe you can share your insights on no. 3?

    Dewey, not that I think JM Products has anything to do with them, but Johnson Matthey is a giant.
    http://www.matthey.com


    When Rossi declared that hydrogen was captured and released by a puck (whereas a hydrogen bottle was initially used) he may have referred to their hydrogen getter technology.
    http://www.jmprotech.com/prote…absorbent-johnson-matthey
    And I have no idea where the rumor came from that "the Customer" used the steam for producing sponge metal catalysts, but Johnson Matthey Process Tecnologies does produce those. http://www.jmprotech.com/sponge-metal-johnson-matthey


    Of course hinting at Johnson Matthey by naming the company JM Products is a great idea and triggered a lot of speculation by Rossi fans.


    It takes very little to feed hopes in internet's virtual world. A while ago I faked a SiC resistor datasheet as a little joke to back Rossi's explanation for the weird electrical data in the Lugano report, and dispersed little fake traces (manufacturer based in NC etc): it was quite a success.. I received a remarkable number of inquiries on SiC Industries' fake email address, and I could have made a fortune selling those coils.
    http://www.e-catworld.com/2014…matches-data-from-report/

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    Dewey, not that I think JM Products has anything to do with them, but Johnson Matthey is a giant.
    <a href="http://www.matthey.com" class="externalURL" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">matthey.com</a>


    When Rossi declared that hydrogen was captured and released by a puck (whereas a hydrogen bottle was initially used) he may have referred to…


    Then you sir are part of the problem. WTF would you do this for? How does this help LENR science other than to make it look more like pathological science?
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pathological_science


    Really pick your smug ass up and respond to why this is cute? If I am reading this wrong let me know. SMH.

    Hi Rigel,


    I will take a deep breath and reply politely to your attack, because you are probably hurt personally by people ridiculing efforts in the field of LENR, which affects your sense of humour.


    You see, at the time when I read the Lugano report I was pissed off for having given some initial credit (at least a suspension of judgement) to this Rossi story. After many months of criticism of the first report (TPR1) to which no response came from the authors, they released this unacceptable paper, and again refused (in spite of initial announcements) to reply to criticism. All replies came from Rossi, which is in contradictIon with the intended third party verification of the claims. So this explains my hostility to this group, expressed lightheartedly because we are in the blogosphere, which is never to be taken too seriously.


    The risk is that LENR research will be ridiculed by this story: rigour is what you need in front of skepticism, and skepticism is what you need in front of disruptive scientific claims.


    My smug ass is usually up and running on other technology topics but I keep an eye on LENR with (believe me) an open mind. Oh, and my donkey cap is what I privately promised Rossi to wear when publicly apologizing in case his claims are proven true.


    Warm Regards,


    Andrea

    Rigel - sorry that you got all riled up. Rossi and his attorney introduced a fake "customer" into the equation that didn't pass the smell test from the beginning. They had to sign contracts that accounted for their deception up front and will be held accountable. Maybe they were making nano-Ni sponges which don't need loading dock activity and used Rossi's robotic army. That is the only way to explain the lack of activity for JM Products during the 350 day test. Oh wait, there were no robots.... In addition, if Rossi's machine was working during that same time, do you wonder where all that extra heat went when nobody was working on the customer side? (which was most of the time based on information that is presently in the hands of the good guys).

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    Well, Mr. Weaver, I'm a bit shocked that you don't know Johnson Mathey Products (sorry for my incorrect spelling of it in my previous post, it happens that a relevant Chilean former member of the military Junta that runned this country in the 1970s had the name Mathei, and I am used to that spelling), which, as others have said, is a large UK based distributor of chemical industry supplies, specialist in reactives, and Rossi has acknowledged to have them among his Nickel suppliers. Johnson Mathey Products is also known for having supplied the palladium to Fleischmann and Pons, if you aren't aware of that. Johnson Mathey Products is also the only producer of nickel catalyst sponges in the UK, at least


    As for being a moderator on this forum, I can only talk about my case: It happens that I'm one of the relatively few persons that is a native Spanish speaking in this forum, and the first one to join AFAIK some years ago, so I was given the honor and responsibility of moderating that particular forum section, which is, unfortunately a place of not much action, as you can see, as the awareness of LENR in general, and the ECat Saga in particular, in the Spanish talking world, is very scarce, in spite of my humble efforts to the contrary.

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    The sponge catalyst quote comes from comments by Mats Lewan who hinted this piece of data as coming from some "insider" at some point in the past few months. I really fon't know where was this first published, but I think it was in his blog in the comments section.

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    I haven't been able to find the original post where Mats Lewan says that about JM Products, but this is a comment that directly quotes this as coming from him.


    http://www.e-catworld.com/2016…ih-affair/comment-page-1/




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    Bob•a month ago


    Mats Lewan wrote this on his blog. It's the most info I have seen reported about the customer:

    So IH claims they couldn't visit the customer area but then they claim there was only a fan and radiator there?


    The only way this is true is that they visited after the test, and obviously the customer had moved out. So I don't see how this fan/radiator story is a gotcha.

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