Rossi: “Steam Was Superheated” in 1MW Plant Test

Oystla - why not first make a small hot water black box? A COP of 4-6 on a hot water system would improve life for 1/3 of planet earth by providing clean water, a cooking heat source, a possible TEC based light source and eliminate the dung, kerosene and biomass fires that make folks sick.

Hi all

In reply to AlainCo on the matter of:
"that client is very strangely discrete, not even saying what it does"

IH were the same when they bought the license to Rossi's low temp E-Cat.

Have a look back how long after they took delivery it was before it was fathomed out who they were and they did not admit for more than a year.

Now IH have the ERV report they co-commissioned yet they still refuse to publish it; why not?

Kind Regards walker

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Now IH have the ERV report they co-commissioned yet they still refuse to publish it; why not?

Guess you've never had high quality US lawyers telling you what to do!

Anyway, the same argument would apply to Rossi, if real. It is a strange question for you to ask because the answer is so obvious - as with your other related questions.

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BTW, when selling ECats in China as late as October last year, Darden seemed pretty sure to deliver COP 3-20 without Rossi being included. Strange isn't it ...

It seems at that time he believed the Lugano test results. After all, IH had made the Lugano reactor, and it worked nicely...

I wonder if you can work out why that belief would eventually change?

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BTW, when selling ECats in China as late as October last year, Darden seemed pretty sure to deliver COP 3-20 without Rossi being included. Strange isn't it ... sifferkoll.se/sifferkoll/ih-da…n-selling-ecats-in-china/

Sifferkoll, this slideshow is older than you think. From one comment on ECW:

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A google search for: "site:http://chinauspark.com/ LENR " seems to confirm the file has been uploaded in September 2014. This corresponds to the folder and file name "20140925". And some people have found that the file was created in 2013.

THe link to the slideshow used to be http://chinauspark.com/appUpda…5/20140925152226_9375.pdf

Note the 20140925 date in the link. That's just the upload date, not even the presentation date.

Note how another presentation uploaded on the same date is actually from 2013:

http://www.chinauspark.com/app…5/20140925143757_0693.pdf

My conclusion is that this presenation was done in Oct 2013. People have confirmed this by looking at the date on the file as well.

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Guess you've never had high quality US lawyers telling you what to do!

Anyway, the same argument would apply to Rossi, if real. It is a strange question for you to ask because the answer is so obvious -

That is fair enough, but then why would the unofficial IH folks goad Rossi into trying to release the ERV report, saying that the reason he is not releasing it is because he is deathly afraid of its contents? Were they being just as disingenuous?

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It seems at that time he believed the Lugano test results. After all, IH had made the Lugano reactor, and it worked nicely...

I wonder if you can work out why that belief would eventually change?

It is my understanding that IH made the 1MW plant as well. Have they ever denied this?

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- that the ERV is Italian, while working in Florida.

Here's the thing. If you have a large boiler, what you want to do is hire a nuclear engineer to assess its performance. And the nuclear engineers in Florida won't cut it; you need a nuclear engineer who has worked with you before. "Independence" in this context has little to do with a lack of personal familiarity, or a lack of previous work engagements, or an absence of prior financial involvement. It pertains to the objectivity, qualifications and state of mind of the nuclear engineer.

This one was the ERV, selected and paid both by Rossi and IH, and hence we must conclude that IH believed in him. It's not the case that IH deferred to Rossi in order to get things going. IH thought this was the nuclear engineer to do handle the performance test. That is why you would bring him from Italy over to Florida. Now, IH may be displeased with the results for other than savory reasons, but any US court will look past its trivial objections about actually being able to substantiate what the nuclear engineer has claimed about the boiler, and it will apply the terms of the license agreement according to the letter of the law. (But in doing this, it will look past the fact that the license agreement stipulated 52 modules, which appear to have been changed in the middle of the test to four 250 kW "tiger" modules.)

EDIT: this was intended to be facetious. I now see it was too subtle.

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Oh yes, I can. (and it has absolutely nothing to do with the Lugano Report, regardless of how many times you reapeat your pet theory). There a total of $89M other reasons and the aim to keep IP and Rossi in a NDA leash. The MW plant works very well, that is why Darden isdead silent on the matter and have his hitman Weaver (and Jed) doing dirty work with rediculous big-Sauna theories etc.

It is like theories of UFO abductions. They fit the evidence and cannot be disproved... But much simpler theories do the same job.

(1) The Lugano experimental results are bust. Smell the coffee and live with it. You may not like this, but it is true.
(2) Darden is not a complete idiot. And therefore when he is sued by an eccentric and possibly irrational inventor he keeps his powder dry, as his very expensive lawyers tell him to.

You cannot properly use as evidence for your pet conspiracy theory things that are bound to happen anyway!

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it will apply the terms of the license agreement according to the letter of the law

The calorimetry the ERV must be using (phase change) is clearly different from that stipulated in the license agreement since that suggests power be calculated from flow rate and deltaT sensors. Any expert witness would say that this new calorimetry was less safe than the original. So I expect there will be specific reasons to challenge the calorimetry as well as the general ones that rubbish calorimetry giving nonsense results is not "fair play". These apply whatever IH may or may not have agreed to.

I disagree that IH paid any attention to whom Penon was. They most likely just did not care, and wanted to keep Rossi sweet, or else took Rossi at his word. They were perhaps unwise: though on balance I think the risk to them from this action is small and Rossi is bringing it for his only weird reasons.

One thing we can all agree: for IH the main issue with this dispute is managing the bad PR - it must be embarrassing for them however it pans out.

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It is my understanding that IH made the 1MW plant as well. Have they ever denied this?

and your point is...?

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There a total of $89M other reasons and the aim to keep IP and Rossi in a NDA leash.

I think its a better strategy to silently pay off $89M and keep the IP and the license agreement in their pocket...forever.
Because we know that its worth trillions! 89M is peanuts actually.

Its very shocking to see how IH managed to get AR sign an agreement which is 99.99% in their favor and effectively leaves nothing for AR. They already have everything they need for peanuts. So it makes no sense to wake up the sleeping serpent by poking a stick in its underground nest. It will bite, and thats what AR did. They could have happily had everything in just 89M, keeping it all silent, opaque, secret and whatever.

So it doesn't make sense. The reason for their decision to not to pay seems to be something else, which we will see in the court.

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The calorimetry the ERV must be using (phase change) is clearly different from that stipulated in the license agreement since that suggests power be calculated from flow rate and deltaT sensors.

Its easy to see why this is not an issue. ERV sent regular reports to IH (is it monthly?) in which it would have been very clear what method he is using, and unless TD and co. are total dummies and don't understand their own agreement, they'd notice and demand a correction.
Secondly, during the regular visits by IH employees and others, they would have noticed how its being measured and reported, and would have demanded a correction, else could have asked to stop the test. It shouldn't take 1 year to notice this, unless.....IH was in bed with AR and let him carry on with his tricks for some reason. (perhaps to get more investor money?)

In the end, it doesn't make sense, and one must assume that the method of calculating COP was agreed upon by the trio ERV, IH and AR.

The argument that something else was written in the agreement, so its all a big fake doesn't hold water in the light of above. No benefit in repeating it again and again.

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Its easy to see why this is not an issue. ERV sent regular reports to IH (is it monthly?) in which it would have been very clear what method he is using, and unless TD and co. are total dummies and don't understand their own agreement, they'd notice and demand a correction.Secondly, during the regular visits by IH employees and others, they would have noticed how its being measured and reported, and would have demanded a correction, else could have asked to stop the test. It shouldn't take 1 year to notice this

You make an awful lot of assumptions here! You should have worked out by now that when dealing with Rossi that is unwise...

Do I need to list them?