Peter Gluck, Blogger-Advocate for Rossi Technology

  • Peter Gluck has had some second thoughts. I did not read the next day's blog before posting this. I may make further comments below, but my apologies for any offense, and if I erred, the error is mine. Meanwhile the basic inspiration for this post was actually exploring Rossi's reactions. http://egooutpeters.blogspot.r…-blog-and-primum-non.html.


    [url]http://egooutpeters.blogspot.ro/2016/06/june-08-2016-lenr-who-has-started-war.html[/url]


    Reading over Rossi's comments on Gluck's blog, I realize how familiar it all is. Rossi has been talking more or less like this since 2011, though it is getting more extreme. He's not sober. His grasp of fact is weak. But he is damn sure that the snakes and clowns are snakes and clowns!

    The question of who started a war is asked by people who have no clue how to stop wars. That question never, ever, stops a war. Wars are stopped when mutual benefit in stopping them is found. And there are people who help facilitate that, and people who don't. The people who point to one side and blame them never help, unless they have enough power to overcome that side. The bloodiest wars are between matched opponents, where each side believes it is right.

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    I have received an answer that is really amazing and paradoxical- in context. It comes from Dewey Weaver IH's front line man who explains the case:
    "How do you sit down for a reasonable conversation with someone who sues without warning? Rossi was planning this litigation for a long time and was apparently counting the days for when he could file the litigation."

    Dewey is not "IH's front man." Peter has bought that characterization of him. He is an IH investor, definitely an involved party, who certainly has his position, but he is not a spokesperson for IH. IH has been very explicit about nobody speaking for them without authorization. As an investor, Dewey may have some level of inside information, but that's about it. Jed Rothwell also claims some level of inside information. In neither case can they reveal the source, which is perfectly normal and this has been going in for many years, that people leak confidential information, from time to time. They may or may not be violating a trust; they may believe that nothing critical is being revealed.

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    So...Rossi, who according to the same Dewey Weaver has never obtained excess heat, has chosen unsuitable instruments, made flawed measurements- ergo is in
    lost situation- OK, this Rossi is watching with sadism when he starts a perfidious litigation against a perfect company- an example of correctness and openness, possessing all truths, motivated by high ideals?.
    Isn't this seppuku?

    Peter is not accurately reporting what has been said and who said it. Here, Dewey was quoted. Nothing was said about sadism. Nothing was said about IH being a perfect company. Peter is fanning the flames. Words of a certain meaning have been interpreted beyond what they mean, to create an exaggerated story.


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    Rethinking the story, remembering the vocal and thorny messages of IH's supporters
    I had a REVELATION. Just take in consideration the reports of the ERV after 3, 6 and 9 months, how the impossible, nonexistent and absolutely unproductive miserable fake plant was used as trap or bait for investors and ot FRossi said it is "stellar"-Ok, then we who take these arguments as serious- we are in the extreme danger to lose
    our sense of humor- terribly bad! Please read just the quotations of MOTTO and-let's
    recover!

    In a word, Rossii's conspiracy theory, a variation on the evil corporation out to rip its investors off. But wait ... Dewey is one of those investors. It was all a ploy to convert Rossi's reputation to cash for IH, while dumping him? So what does Rossi say?


    There are eight counts in the Complaint. The first Count is for non-payment. When a customer does not pay, going to Court is far from the first thing to do. The first thing is to request payment when it has not appeared on time. The next thing is to negotiate. And, then, going to court with a request to resolve a dispute is one thing. That's done all the time without the rancour. Normally, as well, an attorney will send a demand letter attempting to avoid filing an action. There is no sign that ordinary and customary business practice was followed. Instead, the suit was much more like a war, claiming bad faith, fraud, going after the officers and not just the corporation, going after Cherokee, which did not sign any agreement with Rossi and is apparently not an owner or investor in IH, all this was taking a dispute and turning it into a war. However, yes, it was based on IH not paying. So who started it? It looks like communication between Rossi and IH broke down before the GPT report was issued. However, we only have details reliably from one side, Rossi. IH has not Answered the complaint and has not provided new fact in their Motion to Dismiss, only legal arguments based on the Complaint. They hinted in a footnote at what they might allege later, that's all.


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    Q- There are signs that IH knows that its position in the conflict is weak and
    the facts are not working speaking in their favor

    Is Peter reporting or is he an attorney for Rossi asking him leading questions? I see no such signs, and I've been paying attention. What I see is a lot of fluff on blogs. The Motion to Dismiss has been entered. The legal arguments in it appear sound. Rossi's attorney will presumably respond with counterarguments, but, at this point, based on my own understanding of law and discussions with a lawyer, most of the Complaint is toast. The most likely part to stand, requiring more evidence and a trial, would be the first count, nonpayment. There is an obvious defect in the Complaint, but Rossi's attorney might remedy it. I.e., as matters stand, the Complaint is toast. But it might be rescued. Why it was filed so poorly would be another story, but what I notice is that the Complaint talks like Rossi. Not like a competent attorney for Rossi.


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    A- Absolutely this is the reason they tried to assassinate my character by any means.

    Except that Rossi knows that all this "assassination" -- which is not by IH, but by many others, with only one or maybe one more actually having some connection with IH -- is irrelevant. They could make Rossi look, on the blogs, like a complete fraud, and it would have zero effect on the lawsuit. In other words, Rossi is putting together things that are not actually connected, which is a sign of how he thinks.


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    (I have to add that they also try to assassinate the characters of the 1MW plant, the ERV, the instruments and the measurements -plus of anybody who wants to keep a sense of humor, reason, reality and are doubting IH's story)

    One footnote in the Motion to Dismiss is all that IH has said, plus they made some comments in a press release about being unable to confirm Rossi's claims. No claim has been made about the ERV, to my knowledge. Rossi lives in a fog full of vermin that are not actually there. Some people, based on private information, have said various things. This is, simply, rumor. Rossi did not answer the question.
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    Q- IH people speaks about terms and says you have started by going to Court before payment was due- Have they justified why not paying?

    Actually, while this may have been said by an "IH person," at one point, i.e., Dewey, I may have noticed this first and I saw another researcher say it privately. This would be a good question for Rossi as to what IH may have explained to him when refusing to pay, if they did. But Rossi doesn't answer that.


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    A- This is an other falsity of IH, whose evidence is in our complaint, that we deposited in court after IH rejected our request of payment that we sent to them after the ERV has notified both parties the Report of the 1 year Test; it is enough to read our complaint deposited in Court to find the proof of this.

    Rossi may believe this, but the facts in the Complaint show otherwise. According to the Complaint, 72. On or about March 29, 2016, the ERV published his final report." Rossi also demanded payment. When? March 29. Now, I would normally expect a legal proof of delivery of a report like this to take some time, at least a day. But let's assume that the report was actually delivered to IH on March 29. (Notice that the Complain does not allege this.) So when was the payment due? From the Agreement, within "five business days." That is one week if there is no holiday. So the payment was due on April 5, and not past due until the day after, April 6. The Complaint was filed on April 5. Thus it was filed prematurely, by one day. It took time to put that Complaint together, even as shoddy as it was. So the point that Rossi was planning to sue before knowing he would not be paid as a legal fact is clear. That does not mean that he didn't know he was not going to be paid and I've often said that they likely told him. But that is exactly the question that Rissi does not answer. He just calls the issue of going to court before payment was due (really before it was past due) a "falsity." But it's obvious.


    And so we see that Rossi denies the obvious, because he has a different story to tell.


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    Q- I have noticed an increasing trend - more and more LENR-ists consider that IH's position is weak perhaps not only in the coming trial:


    I totally agree : in court you cannot chatter, you must bring evidence. All the clowneries they said about the ERV, about the flawed measurements, about the "Ghost ERV" now will demand evidence.

    Where did they say these things? Rossi has no sense of a distinguishing corporations, officers of corporations, shareholders of corporations, and random people from the public who might say something. HIs failure to understand that IH was not "Cherokee" is striking in the lawsuit.


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    Andrea Rossi adds re sense of humor:


    Lacking of honor is the fact that they have taken seriously clowns like Zoepfl, Rothwell, and made Weaver the president of a public fund.

    Sense of humor? What? Who has taken "Zeopfl" seriously? He has been talking about IH. Rothwell is not connected with IH at all. And who is "they" who "made Weaver the president of a public fund." Okay, what position does Dewey Weaver have, and does this have anything to do with IH?


    As I mentioned, Dewey Weaver acknowledges being an investor in IH. What is the "public fund"? Weaver, from readily available information, is an owner and CEO of InterMountain Management, founded in 1982. InterMountain Management owns and manages hotel properties. This is not a "public fund" and "they" did not make him President. Rossi doesn't know what he so freely talks about. He's not careful and apparently never has been. [struck. Dewey says that is not him. So what is the reference to?]


    [quote]Sense of reality lack is put in evidence by the fact that they take 150 millions from investors for one year thanks to my IP and suddenly, when the time to pay for it, they discover that my IP is not good.[quote]Was this thanks to his IP? Does he know what they told the investors? And isn't that between them and the investors? Because of issues with the Agreement and performance, it's not impossible that this will not go to trial. More likely, though, Rossi's attorney will remedy some defects enough that the contractual issues can be resolved, and then, the issue of actual performance and the underlying purposes of the Agreement mayl become a subject.


    Meanwhile, I'd have thought that Rossi's attorney would have told him to STFU. He cannot help himself with all this hostile fluff, this is not a public relations war, which he'd be likely to lose, anyway.


    He does not understand, apparently, that what the so-called IH fans are saying cannot harm IH, because it is not legally responsible for them. But Rossi is responsible for Rossi.

  • I start to reanalyse the history of Cold Fusion.Read the book of Beaudette
    http://www.infinite-energy.com…ookreview_excessheat.html


    It is sure that academic community, helped by hot fusion budget, lack of imagination, glory of Manhattan projects, disdain of high energy physics for lower science like chemistry did not help.
    However some huge mistake, that were not corrected later, like refusing to communicate, lack of coordination, spurious claims, local battle between labs, between countries (even inside Toyota between France and japan they reused to admit others findings).


    Abd have numerously explain why 2nd ERAB panel 2004 failed not only because of bad procedure, but mostly because LENR community was a herd of cat, focused on theory, unable to quickly produce a synthetic experimental body of evidences...


    and now, when big money is seriously considering LENR, ready to launch "open business" effort (because closed business cannot work), LENR scientists and some clowns, play a Hollywood comedy inspired by a James Bond sequel.


    I'm furious because it seems those clowneries have already damaged a big project, bigger than IH. I hope I'm wrong.

  • ...when big money is seriously considering LENR, ready to launch "open business" effort (because closed business cannot work), LENR scientists and some clowns, play a Hollywood comedy inspired by a James Bond sequel.


    I'm furious because it seems those clowneries have already damaged a big project, bigger than IH. I hope I'm wrong.


    Hi Alain - I quite agree with you. We see some clowns in here, too. But what to do about those aspects of clownerie in this forum over which as Admin/Mods we have some control? I suspect that -recently at least - I intervene more than any other Mod - but am seldom sure I am doing the right thing. Happily I have been thanked and criticised by both sides of the current dispute, so must be doing something right. This is not a banning kind of a place, Mary Yugo apart, but recent shenanigans seem to be encouraging some useful members to stay away while fostering the rise of 'public bar lawyers'.


    So what to do, Alain? Hand-wringing is not my favoured option. I can only spend less time here and more in the lab in the hope of fishing up some good-looking fresh meat to discuss, now the flu/crappy cold which has been dogging me for the last few weeks is clearing up, that will be the case.


    But right now, what do you think we should be doing? This is a community of sorts, even if a raggle-taggle one, and we have influence -otherwise we would not see this space being used as a PR tool. Answers on a postcard please. ;)

  • Alan & AlainCo


    Maybe this would be a good time for a 'conference call', I suggested this to try and avert differences in the TC issue, but TC's situation appeared to unearth differences between some moderators. That is not good and will lead to greater damage in the long run because you (moderators) will all feel helpless and this will be, and is, being exploited.


    Best regards
    Frank

  • @franktwu. A conference call is being arranged soon, I also raised that issue in the Admin/Mods private thread after the TC affair. As Mods we probably have no serious differences, but we do lack a common policy and approach, which can lead to ' indiscipline and fragmentation under fire.'


    Alan.

  • Dear Colleagues,


    Actually I am grateful to Abd- my traditional discussions partner
    for publishing this here.
    In the spirit of audiatur et altera pars I have created a possibility for Rossi to tell what he thinks.


    IH denies his technollogy, his Test, his results, instrumentation unsuitable, measurements flawed, ERV incompetent, excess heat zero. After 352 days of experimentation, 3 partial reports
    of the ERV- he has nothing and was demonized indeed including by people connected at laeast by symapthy with IH.
    And it seems everything has happened when he asked the money. However now his opponents are trying to build a retro-history in which IH knew from the start that nothing works.


    These things were discussed many times my blog and I were called ugly names and "asked" to shut up.
    Yesterday it was decided to stop suh unsolvable discussions first for 30 days however Abd wrote this long message, he knows why.
    Only the trial will solve the problem- who is right
    Tyhe discussion is like chronicized illness- incurrable, insolvable, useless.
    Going back to my Blog.
    Greeting to you all, Abd included- he hs good intentions


    Peter

  • About clown, I don't talk of us (a peanut gallery mostly, but not only), but of real and important actors who ruin actively LENR developpement.


    It is those clown who sometime push us to battle instead of supporting serious efforts.


    We discus, we disagree, (I disagree with myself often) as long as no damage is done IRL...
    Maybe we could just try not to convince, but to share our opinions.


    I changed my positions many times, reconsidered past opinions, and this was because of short explanations and rough data, helped with personal work.

  • However now his opponents are trying to build a retro-history in which IH knew from the start that nothing works.


    No one tries to build a retro-history.


    For me it is very clear that Rossi has been underestimated by IH and that they couldn't imagine how skilled he is in all his efforts (inclusive formulating a license agreement with test procedures in his favor).


    It may take some time to figure out what conceals behind the tricks of a real magician.


    Take for example someone like Uri Geller. By claiming that he has extraordinary abilities he was fooling millions of people. If he would have presented his tricks as a magician, then the effects wouldn't have been the same.


    Some of his fans compare Rossi with people like Tesla. I'd prefer comparing Andrea Rossi with Uri Geller. Not immediately seeing through his tricks is not a shame.

  • Dear Tom Paulsen,


    so you are contented with the timing of the Events?
    IH people were in the plant had access to all data- how much time do they need to understand the plant has COP,1 and what is the natural reaction to such a disaster?


    Take a woman working in a bordello, how much time does she need to distinguish a potent client from an impotent one?


    It is incredible how IH's ad-hoc story became...credible.


    Sorry for the indecent metaphor but I am amazed by what
    people are able to consider true.


    Peter

  • IH denies his technollogy, his Test, his results, instrumentation unsuitable, measurements flawed, ERV incompetent, excess heat zero.


    Yes. I.H. denies this for very good technical reasons. I agree with these reasons, based on my analysis of the data.


    After 352 days of experimentation, 3 partial reports of the ERV- he has nothing and was demonized indeed including by people connected at laeast by symapthy with IH.


    The ERV has not been "demonized." Assuming he reported this data and he configured the instruments, I.H., I and other have looked carefully at his work and we have concluded that he is incompetent and that his conclusions rely on ". . . inoperable reactors, relying on flawed measurements, and using unsuitable measuring devices," as I.H. put it in the motion to dismiss. That is regrettable, but that is a conclusion reached after a careful technical evaluation. Not demonization, and not ad hominem. None of us wanted to see this test end with a null result. I.H. spent millions on this. I have devoted years of effort to cold fusion. None of us wants to see a test fail, but all of us agree this test failed drastically. It was poorly done, just as most of Rossi's earlier tests were.


    I have accused Rossi of one act of blatant dishonesty: refusing to allow the I.H. experts into the customer site. I say the only plausible explanation is that he is trying to cover up what is in the customer site, which -- based on my analysis -- is nothing more than a ~15 kW radiator. The rest of his test is either dishonest or terribly stupid and incompetent. I cannot judge which it is.

  • The lack of comity within the LENR community is disgraceful. The vitriol within the community is horrendous.


    Locking an expert out of a customer site when the expert insists on seeing the site is worse than disgraceful. It is probably an act of criminal fraud. I cannot imagine what else it would be. Nothing that Rossi's opponents have said or done is 1% as bad as what he did. He took $11 million and wasted it on a ridiculous test. He trashed the reputation of cold fusion. He would have destroyed the field forever, and dried up all funding, but fortunately I.H. has continued to invest despite this fiasco. He has caused more harm to cold fusion than the DoE, Nature magazine, and the other mainstream opponents combined. So naturally vitriol directed against him is fierce. What would you expect?



    Per a suggestion from Peter Gluck, I should reword this a little:


    Since 2011, Rossi has caused more harm to cold fusion than the DoE, Nature magazine, and the other mainstream opponents combined. (These opponents have been quiet lately. I assume they think the battle is won.)

  • Pardon me Jed as you're earnestly devoted to LENR/CF: but as an archivist of all things LENR/CF in its pre-breakthrough form, exciting and new, Rossi having the goods would mean the end of your gig.
    It is only rational that you would be biased against such a possibility and find good angles to try and disprove it. It would also rationally make you receptive to anti-Rossi PR, be it concepts or persons.
    (rational observation: human beings are driven by emotions)

  • Abd - the Rossi PR/Slander war foggerfiers have incorrectly linked me to the DW that you reference
    as owner and CEO of InterMountain Management. That is another DW.

    I have corrected my post. Are you an officer in a "public fund" If so, then Rossi's statement may have been libel, but not wrong on a fact. IH, by the way, is not a "public fund" either, as I understand those words. But Rossi is not a master of legal stubtlety. If his supporters also pointed to the same DW, then he was probably relying on that and so his error would really have been the same (thinking an LLC is a public fund). Just wrong person.


    This looks much more like our friend Dewey: https://www.linkedin.com/in/dewey-weaver-90b6b128


    Also was a President, but of a Limited Partnership.

  • Dear Jed,


    You are ne er responding to the questionn of timing and you never show your data but you insiult aanybody who does not believe you.


    As regarding your hydrophobic Jeremiad against Rossi naswer to Axil I do not dare to comment it here beacaue I am polite
    but it is the most horrible injustice in LENR I will say you who does harm to LENR.


    peter

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    refusing to allow the I.H. experts into the customer site


    There is something odd about this. The one that can allow or refuse someone into the customer's site is the customer, not Rossi.


    Also, if I made an agreement with someone and he later starts searching of over the place looking for faults just to avoid paying me, I would restrict the number of places he was allowed to look. The reaons I would do that is that my counter party was not pursuing an interest in good faith and it then makes perferect sense for me to minimize his bad faith fishing expedition. I'm not saying that this is was happened. What I am saying is that it is not true that "the only plausible explanation is that [Rossi] is trying to cover up what is in the customer site".

  • Pardon me Jed as you're earnestly devoted to LENR/CF: but as an archivist of all things LENR/CF in its pre-breakthrough form, exciting and new, Rossi having the goods would mean the end of your gig.
    It is only rational that you would be biased against such a possibility and find good angles to try and disprove it. It would also rationally make you receptive to anti-Rossi PR, be it concepts or persons.
    (rational observation: human beings are driven by emotions)

    This is utterly preposterous. Jed is a "librarian" and has been interested in NiH before Rossi, as have many CF researchers. Rossi success would not be the "end of his gig." His work stands regardless.


    I watched Jed from 2011 on this. Jed was quite positive on Rossi. He offered to support with his expertise in calorimetry. As with other experts, Rossi blew him off. That could have made him reactive, but, actually, Jed continued to write positively about Rossi.


    This is tan example complete fantasy nonsense that people post without knowledge. If you are going to go for psychology, at least have some fact underneath it. Jed is not trying to disprove anything here, he's commenting as someone with some knowledge. Jed also makes mistakes from time to time, as do we all. I know Jed long term. He doesn't stick with his mistakes. Except for one, which I won't mention because we have seen enough fireworks recently. I do expect him to eventually figure it out, though it really doesn't matter, it's about someone who died and who no longer has any significant influence. It was, however, reading his book that supported my initial interest in LENR. Good skeptics, real skepticism, can do that.

  • This is probably one of the most stupid threads on this forum. At one point we were discussing what we knew about the 1-year test, based on Rossi's, Lewan's, Rothwell's, Dewey's, and IH's statements. Now we are discussing whether or not a blogger - who has a sincere interest and commitment to furthering LENR and finding the truth - is biased and/or "correct" in his opinions? This is a meta-discussion. While we have had such "transient" meta-discussions regarding, for example Dewey's belligerent and/or contradictory and sometimes cryptic statements and Jed's sometimes hyperbolic statements and consistent misquotes, the main goal of the other threads (I thought) was to discuss LENR in general as well as the Rossi technology/test specifically. I suggest that this thread be deleted by the forum moderators immediately! Including this message!


    P.S. Since apparently Abd created this thread (BTW I'm not aware that he has any first-hand knowledge about the 1-year test) and has consistently and long-windedly argued in concert with Jed (but sometimes more objectively than Jed) that the test was a failure etc., it seems apparent to me that - given that both Jed and Abd have ALREADY expressed their positions clearly, repetitively, voluminously and multitudinally (is that a word?) on many occasions - there is no need to create a separate thread to discuss these points further, at least with respect to Peter's blog. Instead this seems to be an attempt to discipline and/or intimidate Peter Gluck, who I respect as a wise and impassioned supporter of LENR. I note that I had previously considered creating a thread to discuss Jed Rothwell's hyperbolic statements and misquotes but decided against it. Abd should be ashamed! The bottom line as far as I'm concerned is that both Rossi and IH will have their day in court, and then and only then will the truth come out. Same thing for the QuarkX. Either it works, and if so Rossi will market a working product, or it doesn't. Until then, repeated jawboning, e.g. repeating the same information and/or misinformation, only appears as an attempt to distract and convince people without presenting the complete facts. While we can all enjoying kibbitzing in the meanwhile, and perhaps even discuss actual technical issues, I expect that the Rossi saga is nearing its conclusion, one way or the other.


    P.P.S. Here is a link to Peter's blog; http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com/ See the issue of yesterday June 9 entitled MY BLOG AND THE "PRIMUM NON NOCERE" PRINCIPLE
    Also, I don't think that Peter is a blogger advocate for Rossi. He is simply endeavoring to promote and support LENR and is also trying to present all sides in a fair manner.


  • Dear Peter Gluck,


    using your metaphor I would think it's indifferent to her, as long as she will get the money.


    Maybe it's a little bit comparable to IH's employees who have been working in the plant. I don't mean that they only were interested in their paycheck, but that they simply did what they were supposed to do. And that was the operation of the plant, not a judgment about the COP.


    This had been the job of the ERV, who also wasn't truly sovereign, because the insufficient test procedure had already been defined in the license agreement. And we know from Mats interview, that the ERV had been instructed by Rossi how to calculate the results.


    Then add the huge red flag, that none of IH's people had been allowed to see the "production of the customer".


    I can't help, when this is not recognized as what it really is.


    It's simply a farce (and maybe the staging of an experienced magician).


    But also an 89m $ farce.


    No one can seriously think, that anyone would consensually pay 89m $ for a farce like this.


    I'm very amazed what people select as their believe system.


    With best wishes


    Tom

  • Let's summarize:


    We have the following people claiming that the 1MW test was succesful
    -Andrea Rossi(!)
    -Fulvio Fabiani( the engineer who created the power system ) & Barry West
    -the customer and their engineers (according to Mats Lewan)
    -Fabio Penon(ERV)
    -people who read the ERV report said there is no way based on the data that it didn't work. (according to Mats Lewan)

    While the E-cat test was 8 months in, WF invested 50 million dollar in IH. Off course TD told them the 1MW reactor has only a COP of 1 and you don't have to believe a word Rossi says. You know, he lies all the time. But invest in us now!


    On the other side we have a guy who DID'T read the ERV report(his words) claiming he has special inside information that it's all a fraud. We also have an investor in IH who can't explain why IH doesn't want to cancel the e-cat licence.

  • Actually I am grateful to Abd- my traditional discussions partner
    for publishing this here.
    In the spirit of audiatur et altera pars I have created a possibility for Rossi to tell what he thinks.

    Thank you, Peter.


    Unfortunately, that is not all that you did. What you wrote and reported could be useful, because it shows, not so much what he things, but how he thinks. You became, some time back, a strong advocate for Rossi and against classic LENR research, consistently treating it as useless, and promoting "LENR+" as the real deal. It was obvious that you believed that the future of LENR required practical devices ASAP, and Rossi was offering that, or so it seemed. In fact, Rossi could have turned the world upside down by the end of 2011, if he actually had reliable devices. From my position, we still don't know if he did.


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    IH denies his technollogy, his Test, his results, instrumentation unsuitable, measurements flawed, ERV incompetent, excess heat zero. After 352 days of experimentation, 3 partial reports
    of the ERV- he has nothing and was demonized indeed including by people connected at laeast by symapthy with IH.

    Like Rossi, Peter, you are not careful. IH has not commented on the ERV, as such. They made a general report of insufficiency which matches which has been observed by others, since 2011. We do not yet know what is in the ERV report. We only have Rossi's claims about it, and some unverifiable rumors from the other side. Dewey Weaver is not Industrial Heat, and just as Rossi lost distinctions, years ago, you also have lost them. Here, you use extreme language, like Rossi. "Demonized," for example. Jed has called the ERV "incompetent." That is Jed shorthand for "wrong." But it is unclear that he knows what is in the ERV.


    "Incompetent," however, is not "demonization." Some have speculated that the ERV was corrupt, paid to support Rossi. I still would not call that demonization, though it could be libel. However, claiming that IH is an evil corporation out to destroy Rossi for profit, and hang the effect on the energy future of LENR, hang the trillion dollar a year lost opportunity cost for delay in LENR application, that is "demonizing." Who is doing that?


    You lost balance, Peter, probably from the strength of your desire.


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    And it seems everything has happened when he asked the money. However now his opponents are trying to build a retro-history in which IH knew from the start that nothing works.

    Who is that? Dewey is claiming that they thought the Rossi effect was real. It is IH opponents who are claiming that they made a completely stupid investment, they should have know better, etc.


    IH may have known from the start that Rossi claims were suspect. This was all common knowledge by 2012, I'd say. I.e., there was always something off about Rossi demonstrations. There was never true independent confirmation. Possible artifacts, such as overflow water, were ignored and rejected based on exactly what is mentioned in the footnote in the Motion to Dismiss. Specifically, " relying on flawed measurements, and using unsuitable measuring devices." This is not new. The Motion does not specifically apply it to the ERV. It is just a hint that by basing the Motion on the Complaint, they are not accepting what is claimed in it. That's all, really.


    But knowing that they were suspect -- as nearly everyone in the field thought -- was not the same as knowing that there was no anomalous heat. Defkalion disappeared when an artifact was found. If they had real results, addressing the artifact would have been simple. But they did not. IH decided to take the risk. Was this the best way to invest $11.5 million? I don't know. But it's not nearly as unreasonable as some claim.


    We do not know what negotiating conditions IH faced. The situation as I'd see it was that we already knew that if anyone tried to nail Rossi down, to insist on clarity, he would slam the door. Fraud or eccentric inventor? For whatever reason, they agreed to the procedure in the Agreement, which was a setup for failure. This is the fact, and I have not seen this pointed out by others: a result and payments are immediate, contingent on a report by one person, with no time allowed to review the report, to check it for errors, to "appeal" it, and no process allowing for breakdown. I cannot imagine a lawyer approving that, from the IH side, unless the client said, "We will take the risk. We want to know, and this is all that Rossi will accept."


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    These things were discussed many times my blog and I were called ugly names and "asked" to shut up.

    You were informed that you were damaging yourself, your reputation, and the field. You are reactive to being called names. I know how to defuse disputes, and part of it is to drop the reactivity. When we do something that offends people, they may be, themselves, reactive, and may "call us names." If we want to re-create communication and cooperation, we will look underneath the words to the intentions and stands and the possibility that we actually did something to offend, and that this either wasn't necessary or at least need not continue. So we apologize and don't mix the apology up with any self-defense. It backfires, and for unknown reasons, they did not teach us this in kindergarten. Indeed, we believe that we must "fight back." That might be true for adolescent boys.


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    Yesterday it was decided to stop suh unsolvable discussions first for 30 days however Abd wrote this long message, he knows why.

    I had not read your next day's post yet, that's "why."


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    Only the trial will solve the problem- who is right

    That is never my question. The entire conversation over right and wrong is divorced from reality. At this point, we don't know if there will be a trial. And then the trial may or may not result in clarity on the reality of the effect. So far, the legal process has revealed much more about what Rossi has experienced and believed.


    What I see is his personality, his "face," call it. And having Rossi as the face of LENR has been causing damage for years. He looks like a fraud, or alternatively, looks insane. And this has all been out there since 2011. Someone supporting Rossi was immediately considered deluded. Look at the critique of Joshua Cude here, since 2011 he has been quoting comments from Jed and myself from that year as proof of how deluded we and all "cold fusion enthusiasts" are.


    Our sin? Being supportive of Rossi based on the evidence available at the time. In my case, as I studied the demonstrations and reports like that of Kullander and Essen, I eventually found huge gaps, and, yes, that included the use of the wrong instrument to measure steam quality, while not making simple investigations that would have resolved the issue. I did not then convert to "anti-Rossi," because a flaw in a demonstration does not prove much beyond the possibility of error. But this became a pattern. Every demonstration was like this. There were Major flaws, and the flaws were never addressed; Kullander and Essen stonewalled critique. The Lugano professors stonewalled critique. This wasn't science, it was commercial fluff, publicity, serving Rossi.


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    Tyhe discussion is like chronicized illness- incurrable, insolvable, useless.
    Going back to my Blog.
    Greeting to you all, Abd included- he hs good intentions

    Peter, if you can recognize what you did, it could make a huge difference for your life. Better late than never. Please don't go on like this:


    Dear Jed,


    You are ne er responding to the questionn of timing and you never show your data but you insiult aanybody who does not believe you.

    When hysterical people fight, they talk like this. "You never," and they make dramatic generalizations, like "anybody." That's a measure of your reaction and actually says almost nothing about Jed.


    Here is what I recommend: trust reality. Trust it deeply and unreasonably. After all, that is where you and I and all of us are going. From that position of trust, events will take on a depth they did not have before. Your understanding will transcend the personal. Honestly, whenever we come to this point, we become grateful. For this, it was worth being born and all the pains of birth and life.


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    As regarding your hydrophobic Jeremiad against Rossi naswer to Axil I do not dare to comment it here beacaue I am polite
    but it is the most horrible injustice in LENR I will say you who does harm to LENR.

    In my training, if I said something like that, I would be told that I was lying, that I'm not polite, I'm an asshole. -- and part of the training is the recognition that we are all assholes, because we are all inauthentic, caught in habitual self-defense, we all lie like this until we transform, and then we still do it out of habit, for a time. "Hydrophobic Jeremiad"? Really, Jed uses hyperbole -- or comes to strong conclusions. About a certain scientist, he wrote "stupidest person on earth." It's obvious that the person was not literally that. He uses the term "Idiotic" fairly often. He has been claiming that the exclusion of the IH expert from the customer area in the test was "proof" of fraud. ahhh..... evidence but not proof. This is Jed Rothwell, and everyone in the field has quirks. Well, there is one I can think of who doesn't, or, the way I'd put it, I have not seen his "edges."


    But Jed's remarks were not a rabies-infected utterly insane vitriolic rant. Yet you responded to them as such, perpetuating the conflict. You were so concerned about "who started the war." I often respond to "who started it" question, "God did, because he said the Word and it exploded in that terrible chrysalis, and all this comes from that. We may never know "who started it," because there is cause before cause, turtles all the way down. But we can tell who is maintaining it. Just open your eyes, and see yourself with the same eye with which you see others, and you will know who is maintaining it.


    In the training, because the training is about empowerment, not "truth," the answer we come to is always, "I am."


    All the best, Peter, and enjoy the warming weather.

  • STDM,


    We don't know about Penon sticking with Rossi, as Deweysays at one time Penon was siding with Rossi, and another time alluding him to be with IH.


    Your part about Woodford is interesting, because based on Deweysays (just picking on you Dewey :) ) it does not sound like the rest of IH's portfolio would justify $50 million investment. That seems to indicate their main purpose for investing in IH, was because of Rossi. And we know they jumped on board this past summer...well into the GPT. So what you say about dropping $50 mil for a COP1 is crazy.

  • We have the following people claiming that the 1MW test was succesful
    -Andrea Rossi(!)

    In the complaint, yes.


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    -Fulvio Fabiani( the engineer who created the power system ) & Barry West

    Where is this?


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    -the customer and their engineers (according to Mats Lewan)

    This is indirect, subject to Mat's interpretation, which we do not necessarily accept.


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    -Fabio Penon(ERV)

    where is this?


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    -people who read the ERV report said there is no way based on the data that it didn't work. (according to Mats Lewan)

    Again, subject to Mats' interpretation and obviously incomplete investigation. We have seen comments like this since 2011. There is a report and people seeing it go OMG! Proof! And then, the morning after, she's not as beautiful as she was the night before. And then, when she leaves, we notice our wallet is missing. Probably an accident, proves nothing, right?


    So we have SDTM claiming that we have what, speaking for the public, we don't have. The only voice cited in the above that would represent any kind of independence and substance would be Penon. We don't have his report, because if we had his report, we would not need rumors about it, we could assess it for ourselves. If this comes up in court, there will also be other evidence introduced, I'm sure. Evidence that we don't have, though some of it might be among the many rumors.

  • If I may be permitted, I would like to make a few constructive comments:


    (1) Peter, keep doing what you're doing, e.g. providing balanced and complete coverage of what is going on in LENR and also providing additional insight as well as information on developments in Eastern Europe, Russia, and Asia. Specifically, your Q&A interviews with Rossi are of great interest.


    (2) I suggest also interviewing Abd about his *positive* thoughts on the future of LENR and his background in LENR, and what he is doing, thinks might be done etc. to advance LENR


    (3) Same thing for Jed


    (4) Same thing for a number of others if possible including Norman Cook (about his theory), Storms, McKubre, Forsley, Mosier-Boss as well as if possible Godes, Mills, Bazhutov (I think you've already done him), Etiam OY, Lundin & Lidgren


    Keep up the good work!

  • @Abd Ul-Rahman Lomax states:


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    You (Peter)became, some time back, a strong advocate for Rossi and against classic LENR research, consistently treating it as useless, and promoting "LENR+" as the real deal.


    Lomax is personalizing a technical point. Peter has recognized that low temperature reactions are problematic. When water restrains the temperature of the reactor to or under 100C, the critical reaction temperature is only reached sporadically at or in local hot spots.


    Peter has recognized that the true environment in which LENR occurs is in the plasma phase in which the temperature of the dielectric gas (protium, deuterium) reaches at least 1000C.


    The metal substrate can be either nickel, palladium or platinum(group 10 elements). These metals need not remain solid, they can melt and the reaction is still viable.


    Sub 100C reactions are problematic and marginal as shown by many current and past LENR experiments. This technical point has nothing to do with Rossi and anyone who connects an experimental process to any given individual is simplistic.

  • Pardon me Jed as you're earnestly devoted to LENR/CF: but as an archivist of all things LENR/CF in its pre-breakthrough form, exciting and new, Rossi having the goods would mean the end of your gig.It is only rational that you would be biased against such a possibility and find good angles to try and disprove it.


    By that logic:


    When Abraham Lincoln heard about Lee's surrender at Appomattox, he said "darn, what am I gonna do with the rest of my life?"


    After the Wright brothers flew for the first time, they lost all interest in airplanes.


    As World War II ended, millions of people in New York, Los Angeles, London and elsewhere broke into glum tears and went about in silence because they no longer had an important reason to live.


    Martin Luther King was upset when LBJ signed the voting rights act.


    Look here, idiot: I have devoted decades of my life to this cause. I have accomplished nothing. Every major cold fusion research project has failed. The world at large does not believe cold fusion exists. If this goes on for a few more decades I will be dead, I will have wasted most of my working life and hundreds of thousands of dollars, and the world will be probably be faced with catastrophic global warming and energy shortages.


    Do you really think that is what I want??? Are you serious? That is the stupidest accusation I have ever heard in many years.


    Furthermore, what do you think would happen to me if cold fusion succeeds? You think I will have nothing more to say and do, and no one will come and ask me what happened? I remind you history books are written by the winners.