I was wrong about Rossi, but what I fear most is that I might be partly right

  • Dewey,


    Could you be a good Jedi Knight :) and check with your Galactic Alliance to see if they will allow you to tell us what this "6 Cylinder Unit" is, and why Rossi used the 1MW instead?


    Second, Plaintiffs do not dispute that Section 1 of the Proposed Second Amendment required a testing of a “Six Cylinder Unit,” not an E-Cat, and Plaintiffs did not test a Six Cylinder Unit. Instead, they claim this requirement is somehow void “under the doctrines of equitable estoppel and waiver,” but there are no allegations in the Complaint that provide a basis to apply either doctrine (which, in any event, would be ineffective absent a signed, written waiver of the Six Cylinder Unit requirement given License Agreement §16.9).

  • "FUD by Abd" wrote:


    Abd Ul-Rahman Lomax keeps repeating this piece of deception. The reality: ... ... ...

    The issue has been covered before, with evidence, and if needed, I'll look up that conversation and cite it. Unfortunately, I did misinterpret some of the Agreement. I detailed all this before, and my error could have been found, and specifically pointed out, but it was not; instead we had comments on the order of "you are lying." Am not." "You are," etc, generating heat and no light.


    Sifferkoll uses phony attributions that look like forum links, but that are not. So my post was here: I was wrong about Rossi, but what I fear most is that I might be partly right Sifferkoll is playing a game of "call my post deceptive I will call your post deceptive." Tit for tat. Truth? In that game, truth is irrelevant.


    The Agreement: https://animpossibleinvention.…sdce-16-21199__0001-2.pdf I had referred to Schedule 3.2(b), which is page 24 of the pdf. This Schedule was confusingly titled "Procedures for Validation of E-Cat IP," but, in fact, it describes the process of delivery of IP after the Validation Test. This describes a "nuclear engineer" (The "Engineer") .. "not an Affiliate of Rossi, to be selected by Leonardo." Penon is a nuclear engineer, and why this should be a nuclear engineer is beyond me, because the technology is not what would be within the education of a nuclear engineer. However, this is an event taking place after Validation.


    So how was the ERV (Expert Responsible for Validation) chosen?


    This was the sequence as established in the Agreement:
    1. Section 3.2(a). IH paid Rossi $1.5 million as payment in full for the 1 MW plant. That was not refundable "unless Validation was not achieved within the time period set forth in Section 4."
    2. Section 4 then provides for a 120 day period after execution of the Agreement. It also provides that the ERV will be chosen by "mutual agreement" between Leonardo and the Company [IH].
    3. Section 5 then describes the Guaranteed Performance Test, and there is where the ERV remains as originally chosen, unless otherwise agreed. Contrary to what has been implied, Rossi had the power to continue with the original ERV, no permission from IH was needed, and he did that, in spite of obvious reasons why this would not be a good idea.


    None of this means that IH did not actually agree. They may have. But the Agreement was set up in this way: If IH did not agree with Rossi's proposal of an ERV, and Rossi would not accept an alternative, then Validation could not take place, and Rossi would simply return the $1.5 million, assuming he followed the Agreement, which covered the contingency of no Validation. The entire decision to enter an Agreement with Rossi required, at this point, ready agreement.


    My basic point remains: the GPT, the one year 1 MW test, was supervised by an engineer chosen by Rossi, someone he knew, and not particularly expert on calorimetry, we think, and IH's alleged agreement with this could be only that they initially agreed to his selection, at a point when he could easily have backed out, and, I'd predict, would have backed out if someone truly independent had been required by IH. Rossi avoided such people like the plague.


    At this point, to IH, what was important was the IP, to learn how to fabricate the devices. If they could have made devices that reliably worked, $89 million was chicken feed, they would have had no trouble raising it. They were willing to risk losing the $11.5 million if, say, the Validation test were faked or in error. The GPT was, as I read the agreement, to be conducted by or under the supervision of IH. The timing, however, was ridiculous, utterly unworkable. Hence the necessity for an amendment. The amendment provided that the test would begin when all parties agreed in writing. As far as we know, that never happened.


    Much has been made of the missing signatures, but that is actually a lesser detail: the major issue is the missing agreement for the beginning of the test. Rossi, my opinion, could rely on estoppel to move around the missing signature problem (and IH would not have known, necessarily, that he had no fully executed copy), but the missing agreement to start the test means that, if we consider the second amendment valid, an agreed-upon test has not begun. Estoppel here is also possible, but becomes more difficult.


    Meanwhile, Rossi is, of course, claiming that he has working devices. He had the rest of the planet to market them in, and supposedly was ready by 2013. What happened? There is no way that IH could have stopped this.


    At this point the preponderance of the evidence is that the only major test long-term in years of his work was one where he lived in the thing for a year, constantly adjusting it and working on it, and with many reasons to suspect problems, including the inability of IH experts to visit the "customer area," including the identity of the customer and what that implies, and many other issues.


    However, the core issue, cutting to the heart of the contract, is failure to deliver workable IP and training, as required in the Agreement. If he has IP to deliver, this could still be done and he could still be paid $89 million. But he'd have to deliver on his promise. (And, yes, a fully independent test could be arranged, but were I Industrial Heat, I would require that the new test be of devices made independently according to clear and written instructions -- with no touch by Rossi and full supervision to insure that. And these devices could then be independently tested, many of them.)


    No more empty promises, pie in the sky and a 1 MW plant next year. This could all be done in a few months by agreeing on device tests instead of a 1 MW monster. If he has real IP. In fact, isn't there a pile of E-Cats sitting in that container? (So a two-rponged approach could be to individually test those, independently, and then test some freshly made by IH or an independent contractor.)

  • Our enemies will put fraud front and center. This will be another blow against cold fusion, thanks to Rossi. By the grace of God we may still have money from I.H., without which this field would be dead, dead, dead.


    Our common enemies have always put fraud and scientific misconduct front and center (out of which springs the reputation trap), and then back-filled those allegations with "experimental error" and/or "mis-measurement." F&P knew this all too well. Rossi does too. The Mary Yugos of the world view F&P, you, me, Rossi, and the rest of the LENR enthusiasts and scientists as being essentially all of the same ilk. They don't finely distinguish between the subtle LENR nuances and positions within this space. We are all fraudulent, delusional, or incompetent to the wider world. That was so in 1989, it was so in 2009, it was so in 2011, and it is so in 2016. And it will be so irrespective of whether Rossi is a fraud or has the goods.


    This field was already dead, dead, dead, even though you and I (and at least hundreds of others) know with a high level of certainty that LENR fundamentally is real. LENR was not *commercially viable* and so nobody outside of the small LENR community gave a rats @$$. And if it turns out that neither Rossi nor Brillouin has the goods, then nobody outside of the small LENR community will continue to give a rats @$$. There won't be a media storm highlighting any supposed fraud. There will be apathy and silence. Nobody cares. For anyone to take any notice and care beyond our small circle, LENR must be shown to be commercially viable. Then, people care. Then interests are threatened. Then much bigger money will be thrown into the mix. Then things get interesting.

  • "The difference in Rossi’s reaction [to commenting in DGT vs IH] surely stands for something. The easiest explanation is that"


    The difference now Is that Rossi has an active lawsuit going in the United States where it is to his disadvantage to make a mistake in blogging that would compromise his ability to win the case.

  • JedRothwell wrote:


    With all due respect Jed (and I do respect what you have done for LENR over the years)--Hogwash. I've been a cold fusion aficionado since the fateful 1989 announcement. The sentiment was like a damp rag in 2011. Aside from the small bump in 2009 due to the 60 minutes episode, almost nobody (outside of the most dedicated LENR followers) were paying a single flip about anything in this space. And now? We have the MFMP. We have multiple universities in the U.S. with fully funded LENR research divisions. We have Russian and Chinese scientists conducting more experiments than ever before, and frequently publishing their results. We have the Indian government once again backing research efforts. We have organizations in Europe, Japan, and elsewhere pursuing LENR+ commercialization efforts. Rossi was the best thing that has ever happened to cold fusion, even if he is wrong.

    I was aware of the 1989 work and even put $10,000 into palladium at a Credit Suisse metal account; however, I assumed along with nearly everone else that it had all been some mistake, artifact. It was only in 2009 when I came across an abusive blacklisting of lenr-canr.org on Wikipedia that I started to look into the field. So I'm very aware of what it looked like pre-Rossi.


    I also know the sense of the research community. While there is no doubt that interest in LENR was raised, a lot of that then disappeared with delay, people falling away in disgust, etc. You refer to much work that could be exploring blind alleys created by Rossi. NiH was always suspected of being nuclear-active, there were scattered reports. Attempting to "replicate Rossi" has created a lot of confusion. As to "multiple universities with LENR research divisions, there is very little of it, and what I think of now is SKINR at U. Missouri, funded by Kimmel over the PdD work of Energetics Technologies, I think of Texas Tech, created by Robert Duncan, again, out of PdD work, mostly. The overall effect, as agreed privately by many researchers, was a suppression of funding for basic research, since it was all going to be made moot by Rossi's Amazing E-Cats, that nobody could replicate. Wait until they are on the market, then we can do some research. So, sorry, no, not hogwash. Possibly overstated, but definitely, Rossi did damage.

  • Abd Ul-Rahman Lomax wrote:
    My basic point remains: the GPT, the one year 1 MW test, was supervised by an engineer chosen by Rossi


    Your three bullet points do not lead to this conclusion without a logical leap.

    The "bullet points" are three events in time sequence, not the full inferential sequence. I have stated the exact reasoning and noted explicitly that other might be possible (I.e., what I point to does not prove that IH did not enthusiastically agree, but .. what do you think? Considering the circumstances? Considering that Dewey has been clear that they were suspicious of Rossi from the start, as any sane businessman would be, given all that had come down.)


    It appears from the drafting of the Agreement that Rossi already had Penon in mind. ("nuclear engineer.") Once the ERV was chosen -- notice "validation" in the name -- the GPT expert was automatic unless Rossi agreed otherwise. That's the Agreement as it was written.

  • Abd Ul-Rahman Lomax wrote:


    Which would not be me. Not by a long shot. When you talk about a field in which there are professional standards, accreditation, and licensing, an expert witness in court has to be licensed and credentialed. For example, in a medical trial you can only call medical doctors. In a trial about a building collapse, the expert witnesses have to be licensed architects, structural engineers, etc. You would not call journalists such as Lewan or some guy who mostly edits scientific papers (me).


    In my opinion, it was a big mistake letting Penon be the ERV for this test. They should have hired some local licensed HVAC engineer. Rossi's shenanigans would not last 10 minutes with someone like that. The expert would say the instruments are not up to code and they have to be changed. He would get the correct answer, which is zero excess heat. Bingo, end of story.

    Who is "they"? Jed, read the other posts by me in this thread. Penon was chosen by Rossi, it's obvious. The choice occurred at a point where had IH not agreed, Rossi would certainly have terminated the agreement, refunding them the $1.5 million. It appears to me that Penon was chosen for his lack of expertise in HVAC, and because he is a "nuclear engineer," which sounds really impressive, though completely irrelevant.


    The Agreement is not at all what would be drafted by someone being careful. The requirement for the GPT is COP 6 at a steam temperature of 100 C. But, of course, the pump is rated at 4 bar. It is totally nuts. But that is what IH had to agree to, in order to find out what was necessary. If Rossi had delivered on the IP, teaching them how to make devices that would independent test at that kind of COP, no 1 year test would have been needed. $89 million? Where do we wire it?


    The lawsuit is devastating to the idea that Rossi has real IP to deliver. It remains possible, but only through assuming he is essentially insane, and probably refused to deliver the real goods because he didn't trust them.

  • It could just as well have been IH. The agreement tilts IH and was probably written mostly by them.


    Abd Ul-Rahman Lomax wrote:
    It appears from the drafting of the Agreement that Rossi already had Penon in mind. ("nuclear engineer.")


    It could just as well have been IH. The agreement tilts IH and was probably written mostly by them.

    IH would not have chosen Penon, that's a practical certainty. This was a choice for the Validation test, and they could have flown in anyone in the world. The Agreement resembles what I'd expect Rossi to write, not a highly sophisticated investor, with full access to experts and legal advice. Did they manipulate it? Well, Rossi has mentioned that the final copy signed was prepared by IH. From what? Did Rossi keep drafts? The history of that Agreement is one thing that might come out in the trial. Who wrote what? -- and it can matter.


    In the history, the way that Rossi tells it, -- and I think this could be true -- IH was the suitor, Rossi was not at all desperate. So why would he sign an agreement that was so full of holes, some of which don't favor him? To me, knowing how people think, it's obvious. He didn't suspect the problems because he wrote the damn thing. they then took it and changed Cherokee to Industrial Heat, and he signed it.


    Nobody sane wanted a 1 MW test, but it had been Rossi's dream and promise since 2011.

  • I-ah so-ah agree-ah. The twin moons of Planet Rossi - fabulous Renzz! I'm thinking that we'll be able to cook the s'mores from our camp seats.


    To continue the vision if I may..... as we gaze into the lovely blue glow of the carbonless fire. Suddenly the R'ster warns us to standback, the QX bundle has somehow morphed into a QX+ and a wormhole to the 5th Dimension (no relation) has started to open. Having heard this before, Renzz and Weaver take this warning seriously and head straight for a QX Rossimobile, strap in and hit F7. Wouldn't you know it, after the war, they haven't modified all the topsy-turvy control systems yet and in about 3 seconds we land on the North (South) moon. It gets better. There is atmosphere there so we venture out to see what has happened and there, at the outpost bar, sits the Siffer with a blue umbrella drink in hand. He apparently jumped in the other QX-R and hit F6 - that machine had been reprogrammed following the war. We begin a conversation..........


    What an incredible chapter you have added!! Who on earth do you think would be able to portray the wisdom, brilliance, kindness and loving heart of the good Doctor Rossi in this live action adventure when it goes to the big screen? You really need someone that melts hearts on screen...like that loving grandpa type since the good Doctor is such a softy at heart.


  • HAHA OMG The rascal emoji has me rolling!!! It looks EXACTLY like the Rascal! Penon going silent is a big issue that those on Planet Rossi continue to ignore...it should be interesting if he testifies!

  • Shane D - I think that 6 cylinder unit was a thermal oil cooled device that Rossi transported over from Italy. I've seen an interesting contraption with a cooling fan mounted over a big oil vat, pumps and a series of E-Cats mounted into a holding rack. It's stored under lock and key right now. It was in the original lab forever - R just left it sitting there when he shipped out for the warmer climes of Miami.

  • Yes, they did. In the Motion to Dismiss, they referred to: "inoperable reactors, relying on flawed measurements, and using unsuitable measuring devices." . . .


    All that other spin was formulated after Rossi sued IH. All that is trial based malarky defined by lawyers and did not reflect the state of mind of IH at the completion of the test.


    I am 100% certain it did reflect their state of mind. This is what I.H. said in their March 10 announcement, which was before the lawsuit was filed. It is what they told me months before the test ended.


    You seem to think it is okay to make up facts as you go along, without any evidence, and without knowing anything. That's not persuasive. That is not how you win a debate.

  • That was so in 1989, it was so in 2009, it was so in 2011, and it is so in 2016. And it will be so irrespective of whether Rossi is a fraud or has the goods.


    If he is a fraud, and that becomes generally known, it will make the situation FAR WORSE for every legitimate researcher. No, not irrespective. This is will have a direct negative impact on funding and funding discussions now underway, all over the world.

  • Oh yeah Jack - The Rascal Effect with matching emoj - that one's got legs. In fact the IMS is reporting that it has already been engraved on the truthandconsequences tablet on Planet of the Rossis. The Planet of the Rossis toto is collectively and immediately depressed about what this implies.


    Renzz - I'm failing you with this but I cannot get Garth Hater in a wheel chair out of my head for the grandpa scene. Garth Hater managed to figure out how to make the little blue light from the nanoQX+ a replacement for the little blue pill and all the P.R. babes will not leave alone. I've heard that RB01 is a real animal. I apologize for going off script but I'm really trying to replace that vision with an elderly Ricky Ricardo or Andy Griffith. It's just too hard...its like those big fat Argon molecules getting ripped out of a reactor by a turbomolecular pump - the images are going away that quickly.


    Can you help me?

  • Oh yeah Jack - The Rascal Effect with matching emoj - that one's got legs. In fact the IMS is reporting that it has already been engraved on the truthandconsequences tablet on Planet of the Rossis. The Planet of the Rossis toto is collectively and immediately depressed about what this implies.


    Renzz - I'm failing you with this but I cannot get Garth Hater in a wheel chair out of my head for the grandpa scene. Garth Hater managed to figure out how to make the little blue light from the nanoQX+ a replacement for the little blue pill and all the P.R. babes will not leave alone. I've heard that RB01 is a real animal. I apologize for going off script but I'm really trying to replace that vision with an elderly Ricky Ricardo or Andy Griffith. It's just too hard...its like those big fat Argon molecules getting ripped out of a reactor by a turbomolecular pump - the images are going away that quickly.


    Can you help me?


    This is a rough one...I keep picturing a sweet loving grandpa type...but then this scene from Kill Bill is haunting my mind. Be sure to click on the image to feel get the full experience of that warm fire! Just picture us sitting around that fire listening to the good Doctor spin his incredible tales while also playing amazing songs from peoples of ancient times! This is an experience we are sure to remember for a lifetime!


  • I am 100% certain it did reflect their state of mind. This is what I.H. said in their March 10 announcement, which was before the lawsuit was filed. It is what they told me months before the test ended.


    You seem to think it is okay to make up facts as you go along, without any evidence, and without knowing anything. That's not persuasive. That is not how you win a debate.


    I keep on reminding that evidence is written down on paper because it cannot be changed in the debate. What you have received verbally is ephemeral, like glory in battle it is fleeting at the whims and ethics of the debate. The famous paper bound reason given by IH was lack of substantiation of the Rossi IP, that is it, yes, elegant in it simplicity and inscrutably elusive in its meaning but restrictive and limited in its evidentiary value.

  • "The twin moons of Planet Rossi - fabulous Renzz! I'm thinking that we'll be able to cook the s'mores from our camp seats. To continue the vision if I may..... as we gaze into the lovely blue glow of the carbonless fire. Suddenly the R'ster warns us to standback, the QX bundle has somehow morphed into a QX+ and a wormhole to the 5th Dimension (no relation) has started to open. Having heard this before, Renzz and Weaver take this warning seriously and head straight for a QX Rossimobile, strap in and hit F7. Wouldn't you know it, after the war, they haven't modified all the topsy-turvy control systems yet and in about 3 seconds we land on the North (South) moon. It gets better. There is atmosphere there so we venture out to see what has happened and there, at the outpost bar, sits the Siffer with a blue umbrella drink in hand. He apparently jumped in the other QX-R and hit F6 - that machine had been reprogrammed following the war. We begin a conversation.........."


    Good science fantasy Dewey! Can you turn it into a short story. I like it. I guess there is more to you than an investor. The QX machine with the function keys -- excellent. :):):)

  • Yes - thank you Renzz. That was centering, helpful and focusing. I'm not sure if this was supposed to happen or not but I overheard the old man himself tell a story to Timar's youngest, Mowgli. Almost by coincidence, the IMS team recovered and sent over an older picture from the war years of Timar, RB01 in full battle garb and little Mowgli right behind his father (word was the RB01 got around and it is not clear who Mowgli's mother actually was - TTK and all you know) - you have to look closely or you might miss it.


    Now back to the story....As the R'ster reclined to a nice 2019 Barolo, smuggled in during the war years, he said: "Little Mowgli-ah, during the great war-ah, you're father was very loyala to my regime. He single-handedly flew-ah my daily battle plans and PR/lies and Slander instructions from the home rock to the land of the normal people so as to avoid the IMS detection tools of the snakes. It was such a heroic effort. He thought that the QX power packs were providing the juice for those long dangerous trips but you know what-ah son-ah? He was doing that all on his own-ah. My stuff-ah didn't work..not even in the least-ahl. Your daddy flew under his own wings, strong warrior heart and strength. I never got a chance to tell him the truth but none of that QX stuff worked, sames as the e-Kat. Details smetails..your father was a hero son and don't you ever forget it! Oh yeah - I was finally able to get a little something out of the picoQX+. They worked well enough as prototypes to threaten the Cree blue LED. I shorted Cree, put out the tried and true massive robotics factory story, ran the PR/lies and Slander playbook again and viola, had enough money to buy all my old licenses back and declare a truce. And one more thing, your uncle Walker-ah's codec was always set incorrectly, he never got the broadcast / translation right. Would you like some Barolo?"

  • Quote from IH Fanboy: “That was so in 1989, it was so in 2009, it was so in 2011, and it is so in 2016. And it will be so irrespective of whether Rossi is a fraud or has the goods.”


    Jed wrote: If he is a fraud, and that becomes generally known, it will make the situation FAR WORSE for every legitimate researcher. No, not irrespective. This is will have a direct negative impact on funding and funding discussions now underway, all over the world.


    Jed,
    There's a bit of logical inconsistency here. On one hand you claim that making it generally known that Rossi IS a fraud will hurt LENR research funding but at the same time you are doing everything you can to make it known.


    On the other hand, the earlier claim was that it was difficult to get funding when people thought Rossi was NOT a fraud (because he appeared to be so far ahead of other researchers).


    So, either way, it is difficult to get research funding for LENR!!!


    P.S. Someone pointed out earlier that even before Rossi, and even though P&F were not frauds, they were still accused of being frauds which also hurt research funding.

  • "Jed" wrote:

    Our enemies will put fraud front and center. This will be another blow against cold fusion, thanks to Rossi. By the grace of God we may still have money from I.H.,
    without which this field would be dead, dead, dead.


    I'm a little curious about this sentence. Who is "we" , and who is "our enemies"?


    Reading you rants it sure seems like the people who are NOT arguing fraud is the enemy ... You on the other hand are furiously persuing the Rossi/Penon fraud hypothesis ... And then you're refering to the "we" as in "from I.H." - as if without I.H "this field would be dead".... Hmmm



    And then YOU are trying to lecture me on logic - you're simply pathetic Jed - unless of course you're only speaking the pure IH spin from an IH insider pov refering only to IH as the "this field". Only then your statement makes some sense. It's obvious really. Freudian slip probably, but obvious.


    So, taking some of the past rational Jed into account, I conlude this is the case. Jed, you are either completely lost, or a 100% paid for full time IH spin doctor. You just proved it.

  • Dewey, I am honoured & humbled to be so prominently featured in your fiction writing despite not being a very active poster in this forum. My few short comments surely must have made a lasting impression on you. It is well known from psychology that fiction writing is, as well as other creative arts, an excellent way of self-administered trauma therapy, so I encourage you to continue. I'm looking forward to read your forthcoming fabulations on both the Timar/Mowgli and the Rossi/IH story. :thumbup:

  • "Jed" wrote:

    /.../ By the grace of God we may still have money from I.H.,
    without which this field would be dead, dead, dead.


    IH has been recently sued for owing MUSD 89 for something they now claim never worked in the first place, and have, in addition to this, provided the claimant with a legal war fund so that legal disputes can be carried forward an eternity almost. IH is hardly a reliable money source (with the possible exception for their law firm) in any foreseeable future. It is also hard to see why IH - given the ride that Rossi has given them - would think that cold fusion is a good thing to put money into. I find it fascinating if IH has indicated to you that they are willing and able to invest further.

  • ICCF-19 in Padua attracted the biggest crowd ever, AFAIK. 500 or so delegates, it was certainly busy. Like Jed, I was there. ICCF-20 will possibly sell less tickets, since splitting it between 2 sites (Japan and China) will make it much (very much) more expensive. I plan to attend the Japan part only. Unless somebody wants to fund me for the second leg. ;) So I don't think that a reduced turnout for ICCF-20 would be a surprise.


    I think the turnout in Padua was indicative of the raised profile of the topic in general post-Rossi, though the actual number of private researchers there attracted by the Rossi phenomenon was probably less than 40. (informed guess alert!)


    What was interesting to me was the presence of a number of wealthy funders (from several countries) quite apart from IH. There are new sources of funding opening up, even perhaps as others close down. So perhaps the overall affect of the IH court case will be neutral. An extreme conspiracy theory would be to suggest that the court case is part of a strategy to actively discourage other big investors, and leave a clear field for IH to cherry-pick the best. Absolute nonsense of course, but it works as well as most other conspiracy theories.


    Here's a sample - Carl Page (Larry's brother) and Mats Lewan -they talking with Robert Godes. Just being sociable.

  • Alan - Thanks for bringing this up. Do you recall the name of the keynote speaker for ICCF-19? Do you also recall how many mentions of Rossi or E-Cat that were made during the speech?


    I agree with you regarding ICCF-20. If the yen continues it's rocket ride (somewhat likely w/ Brexit plus the Abenomics failure) then not many folks are going to be able to afford the trip.

  • "Space Pigeon Weaver" wrote:

    Do you also recall how many mentions of Rossi or E-Cat that were made


    Well, I specifically remember these quotes from Darden in the interview by Marianne Macy shortly afterwards. Are those what you are looking for?


    "Darden" wrote:

    We’ve seen some really good stuff. We want to support Andrea in his research however we best can.

    He is very rapid at iterating. He is constantly coming up with new things, “Try this. Try this.” I think that’s a good thing. I like that attribute. I think it’s society’s problem to say to someone like that, “Ok, stop. Just work on this. Make a hundred things like this and let’s finalize something.” Well, it shouldn’t be like that. He should be able to do what he needs to do.

    Rossi is a smart guy. The thing I’ve always been interested in Andrea is how intensely theoretical he is. I’m not smart enough to know what theories are right. People have a visualization of things they can’t see. I have no earthy idea if what they are seeing is correct. I had assumed he was more of an experimenter, a tinkerer, trying this and this and this, in more of a random fashion. But not at all. He is laser like in his attention He is very theoretical, very knowledgeable. He’s hard working and driven and we’re pleased with the investment. In any given setting if you are sitting with Andrea Rossi and there’s a down moment, in most of those situations he’ll be reading a physics book or physics paper. At any given moment he has five minutes between when he is doing that and doing that he’ll be sitting there reading. People see him like that in photos and think it’s staged. It’s not!