Because I agreed not to, as I said many times previously.
Than at least post some copy of this non disclosure contract! Other did You exchange whispers over wires?
Florida Boiler Safety Section information
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Than at least post some copy of this non disclosure contract!
Why should I? What difference does it make to you whether I signed a formal agreement, or whether I simply made an informal gentleman's agreement? It amounts to the same thing. I would honor the agreement either way. You can see that I am honoring it.It is none of your business in any case. It is irrelevant to this discussion. And nobody cares whether you believe me or not. I sure don't care.
You argue about strange things. Why on earth do you care whether I have signed a contract or not?
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You definitely missed the Job!
But may be somebody might notice that this forum is not a saint chappel...
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In reply to Jed on the matter of his being unable to put up any proof of his statements.
The problem we as a community have is that you have a history of making big claims with nothing to back them up, many of which you then back down on; you do understand the problems this creates for your credibility, don't you?
Kind Regards walker
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The problem we as a community have is that you have a history of making big claims with nothing to back them up,
You have described Rossi, not me. I make few big claims. In proper academic style, I wrap all claims -- big or small -- in layer upon layer of doubt, equivocation, and then-again-maybe-not disclaimers. -
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So Jed if you know so much about the ERV report and the plant why dont you post it up... Unless of course you are just making this all up in your own head..?
Kind Regards walker
And FrankWTF says I am the one who repeats. Too funny!
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Hi all
In reply to Jed on the matter of his being unable to put up any proof of his statements.
The problem we as a community have is that you have a history of making big claims with nothing to back them up, many of which you then back down on; you do understand the problems this creates for your credibility, don't you?
Kind Regards walker
Big claims with nothing to back them up...the story of Sir Doctor Rossi's life! THAT should have been the title to Lewan's book! Although I do like the irony in the title of Lewan's book "An Impossible Invention"...an invention it may be...but impossible is quite right.
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"Why should I do your homework for you? Are you seriously suggesting that factory equipment is not regulated and inspected? This is not 1870."
Perhaps because I "have" looked at your Florida regs and am not finding what you say is there? What you need to grasp in this discussion is that research prototypes (including test pilot plants) are NOT considered "factory equipment". They may be in a factory environment, and they may perform operations similar to commercial factory equipment, but they are a different category completely and, in my experience, are regulated differently.
Some of their commercially available components may well be "regulated and inspected"by outside parties, either before leaving the factory or on site. But there is no regulatory agency capable of "regulating and inspecting" the whole pilot plant system, because most of the time, it is the first ever of its type, and no regulations have yet been written.
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In reply to Jed on the matter of his being unable to put up any proof of his statements.
The problem we as a community have is that you have a history of making big claims with nothing to back them up, many of which you then back down on; you do…
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"Why should I do your homework for you? Are you seriously suggesting that factory equipment is not regulated and inspected? This is not 1870."
Perhaps because I "have" looked at your Florida regs and am not finding what you say is there? What you need to grasp in this discussion is that research prototypes (including test pilot plants) are NOT considered "factory equipment". They may be in a factory environment, and they may perform operations similar to commercial factory equipment, but they are a different category completely and, in my experience, are regulated differently.
Some of their commercially available components may well be "regulated and inspected"by outside parties, either before leaving the factory or on site. But there is no regulatory agency capable of "regulating and inspecting" the whole pilot plant system, because most of the time, it is the first ever of its type, and no regulations have yet been written.
Jed is the master of using the "Red Herring" method in the debate. He not only uses it, he exaggerates it, distorts it, reformes it, to manufacture his own reality, and through the weight of repetition and the volume of opressive verbiage attempts to circumvent reality to suit his own prejudices and emotions.
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padam73:
QuoteDo research prototypes sell heat for $1k a day to a consumer that runs a production line that produces products?
Of course not, but there is not a shred of evidence that Rossi ever did other than his say so. And of course, the supposed "consumer" is a shell company, set up by Rossi's own lawyer, which has shown no production, no production line and not even proof that the company is real and has a purpose other than deception.
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"Do research prototypes sell heat for $1k a day to a consumer that runs a production line that produces products? "
If heat is the product, yes. I am less familiar with energy sales, as the products of the production plants within which I was doing R&D were chemicals. Some sold, some given away. It depends on the maturity of the pilot plant and the product mix produced, and what downstream uses the plant output was going to.
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"I think the point that Padam73 is making is that if the claims were true, this would not be a purely "research" boiler."
You keep trying to shoehorn this pilot system into the category "boiler", which it is not. It is an experimental energy production device that happens to deliver steam.
It is absolutely commonplace in the chemical industry for a pilot plant to sell its output. It all depends on what the customers will agree to. Which is governed by a negotiated contract....exactly as was done in this case. -
It is an experimental energy production device that happens to deliver steam.
Otherwise known as a "boiler." A nuclear fusion powered boiler is still a boiler. However, I am sure there are no regulations covering nuclear fusion reactors, so -- as I said -- if anyone in the government of Florida seriously believes this is a fusion reactor I am sure they will close it down immediately. -
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It is an experimental energy production device that happens to deliver steam.
I'm no engineer but if I understand the definition of "boiler" correctly, a device which boils water to make steam "are" one, with all its attendant safety issues (boom!).
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Otherwise known as a "boiler." A nuclear fusion powered boiler is still a boiler. However, I am sure there are no regulations covering nuclear fusion reactors, so -- as I said -- if anyone in the government of Florida seriously believes this is a fusion reactor I am sure they will close it down immediately.
I seriously doubt that any nuclear plant is legally regulated as a "boiler" (not PWR's, of course). The E-cat, legally, is an experimental prototype that happens to output steam. Just show me the section in the Florida state regs that apply, as I am not finding one.
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I seriously doubt that any nuclear plant is legally regulated as a "boiler" (not PWR's, of course).
The boiler portion of a nuclear plant is regulated as a boiler. All regulations applicable to large boilers apply to nuclear plant boilers. The nuclear reactor is regulated by NRC.The E-cat, legally, is an experimental prototype that happens to output steam. Just show me the section in the Florida state regs that apply, as I am not finding one.
There are no regulations in Florida or anywhere else pertaining to cold nuclear fusion reactors, because most scientists do not think they exist. If there were a 1-MW nuclear fusion reactor, the authorities would have no regulations governing it, but that does not mean they would allow it to operate. If they found out about it, I am sure they would close it down, and probably cordon off the neighborhood with dozens of police cars. It would be the top story on CNN for hours. People would assume it is some sort of bomb. Based on the performance of other cold fusion reactor that have exploded, they might be right -- it might be a bomb. I personally think it is insane to run a cold fusion reactor at more than a few hundred watts.Rossi's device is nothing more than an electric water heater, so there is no danger from it. It did not produce more energy out than in. It is a badly designed 20-kW electric water heater. So it does not need to be regulated.
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Jed
This is not a boiler under the Florida Statute 554, "The Boiler Safety Act." http://www2.iccsafe.org/states…L_Mechanical/PDFs/Chapter 10_Boilers_Water Heaters and Pressure Vessels.pdf
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Mary
I'm no engineer
We noticed!
For what it is worth my background as an engineer is in heat exchangers, pumps and compressors before graduating in safety law; so you see its easy for me to spot the clues.
Best regards
Frank
