Myron Evans ECE (Einstein - Cartan - Evans) theory

I spent a few minutes flying over the pages and it's not fair to call the few words I will say a summary:

The authors claim that the photon has a rest mass, which is very, very, very small and thus unproovable, because it's far below the Plank scale which are the limits of measurements.

This does not imply that the assumption is wrong. May be at cosmic scales, effects can be measured.

From the philosophical/technical point of view I feel quite a lot of sympathie with their arguments. This steams from the view point, that most of the current physical reasoning is 3D where as the real space is 4D. To dig deeper into their arguments I would need some additional math. May be somebody else can take over.

But please keep one thing in mind:

The signal that LIGO recently measured has already "in advance" been calculated using the Einstein ART equations. The union of two dark holes is a two second long event, with a measured signature that matches the theory very, very well.

So ART cannot be completely wrong...

I repeat it once more: A theory is measured on it's abilty to predict or completely describe (un-) known phenomens.

May be you should present us such concrete new predictions or correction.

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Before the practical predictions it would be interesting to know if the basics of the theory make sense.

With mathematics you can prove "anything". But I don't believe that anybody will look at a theory which assumes that a photon has a gravitational (barionic?) restmass.

Nevertheless such a try is interesting, if we look at it "like a disturbance of the real theory", thus under the aspect, what would happen if...

Sometimes also the same mathematics evolves later under a different point of view, e.g. when we finally find a theory for "ether" / "empty space".

On a philosophical level it's OK to think that the photon has a "real" (not equal the energy-equivalent) mass.

But in our physics photons travel at the speed of light, which can be measured at the highest accuracy!

If it (the photon) would have a "real mass", it could never reach the speed of light. As a consequnce ECE reduces the speed of light, which is really, really a stupid act of despair.

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"..., which uses the commutator method to show that if torsion is zero then curvature is zero. So neglect of torsion means that the Einstein theory is fundamentally erroneous. The Einsteinian curvature
is zero, so its gravitational field is zero, ..."

Rjzk: In Russia there was a lot of research regarding effects of so called torsion fields.

If you are interested in a more elaborate theory than Einsteins ART, then go on and read R.Mills GUT-CP from Chapter 31, which explains the difference between radial time dilatation and the tangential one. Of course one could talk of a torsion effect in space time like movements, which is sufficient to explain the light deviation traveling along heavy masses or even the Merkur Perhelion changes.

The basis of Mills theory is the recognition that in a rotating frame, that undergoes radial acceleration, only the radial part is subject to relativistic effects (length contraction)! Of course there is more ...

The torsion of space-time wouldn't generate gravity field, yet it would still generate the lensing and gravitomagnetic charge - therefore it would violate the equivalence principle by behaving like the dark matter (which can also result from sheer of twisted space-time at the perimeter of galaxies). IMO paradoxically just the ability of CE theory to incorporate this aspect of dark matter behavior is the reason, why it has been dismissed by mainstream physics, which appreciates the equivalence principle a lot. But such aspect also makes the CE theory internally inconsistent: you shouldn't derive violation of equivalence principle with theory based on equivalence principle. But the intrinsic consistency is neither very strong aspect of general relativity, in which the stress energy tensor is considered massless despite the E=mc^2 mass energy equivalence and Einstein's pseudotensor depends on reference frame of itself. The failure of the Einstein gravitational field equation to include a tensor characterizing the gravitational field is a severe limitation. So we still should consider the CE theory a more realistic description of curved space-time, despite that all low-dimensional approaches have their limits there.

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The authors claim that the photon has a rest mass, which is very, very, very small and thus unproovable, because it's far below the Plank scale which are the limits of measurements. If it (the photon) would have a "real mass", it could never reach the speed of light. As a consequnce ECE reduces the speed of light, which is really, really a stupid act of despair.

This controversy is explained here, for example: the photons are solitons of EM waves and as such they're not required to propagate with the same speed like the EM waves. The photon is concept of quantum mechanics and the special relativity has nothing to say about it - its existence ipso-facto violates it. BTW even in in linearized, Einstein–Maxwell theory on flat spacetime, an oscillating electric dipole is the source of a spin-2 (graviton) field, which should be therefore massive.

BTW The irregular path of photons can explain the anomalous results of double slit experiment, like these ones (example of weak retrocausality).
The retrocausality observed implies, that this massive part of photons gets balanced with superluminal propagation of portion of light energy.

Whereas the motion along geodesics can be interpreted like the Hamiltonian flow of Newtonian fluid, the torsion is higher-dimensional effect. Even the elastic Newtonian fluid or gas can exhibit waves - but it can not exhibit torsion and torsion waves. Like I said, the existence of space-time torsion would violate equivalence principle. Therefore mainstream physicists sacrificed this component of curvature on behalf of consistency (and also simplicity) of theory in four dimensions. I'm of course aware, that the space-time can exhibit torsion like jelly rather than gas: the spin angular momentum of light is based on torsion field and the high spin photons with angular momentum exhibit dark matter behavior.

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To increase the probability of the occurrence of looped trajectories, the researchers designed a three-slit structure that supports surface plasmons, which the scientists describe as "strongly confined electromagnetic fields that can exist at the surface of metals." The presence of these electromagnetic fields near the three slits increases the contribution of looped trajectories to the overall interference pattern by almost two orders of magnitude.

Nanoplasmonics effects how light behaves in the near field.

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Nanoplasmonics effects how light behaves in the near field

I can understand: nanoplasma is AxilAxil's hype for this week. Before it was Bose-Einstein condensate, superconductivity, Rydberg matter, spin waves, muons, quark soup, monopoles, tachyons, whatever else.

BTW Nanoplasma <> nanoplasmons.. Go figure...

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I can understand: nanoplasma is AxilAxil's hype for this week. Before it was Bose-Einstein condensate, superconductivity, Rydberg matter, spin waves, muons, quark soup, monopoles, tachyons, whatever else.

BTW Nanoplasma <> nanoplasmons.. Go figure...

LENR is no simple thing. All the above and more...a lot more... are included in this business.

General relativity also handles equivalence principle - so it cannot predict dark matter, which violates it. For example MOND theory proposes that the equivalence principle breaks at low accelerations. There is also a relativistic version of MOND called TeVeS, which satisfies the equivalence principle, but it doesn't explain the rotation curves. You simply cannot have working relativistic theory of dark matter in 4D, which satisfies equivalence principle at the same moment.

Torsional Monopoles and Torqued Geometries in Gravity and Condensed Matter

Torsional degrees of freedom play an important role in modern gravity theories as well as in condensed matter systems where they can be modeled by defects in solids. Here we isolate a class of torsion models that support torsion configurations with a localized, conserved charge that adopts integer values. The charge is topological in nature and the torsional configurations can be thought of as torsional `monopole' solutions. We explore some of the properties of these configurations in gravity models with non-vanishing curvature, and discuss the possible existence of such monopoles in condensed matter systems. To conclude, we show how the monopoles can be thought of as a natural generalization of the Cartan spiral staircase.