[feedquote='E-Cat World','http://www.e-catworld.com/2016/08/02/more-from-rossi-on-restricted-access-to-the-customers-plant/']Andrea Rossi answered a question on the Journal of Nuclear Physics today which provides a bit more information about the restrictions placed upon Industrial Heat regarding access to the customer’s manufacturing plant during the 1-year E-Cat plant test that took place in Doral, Florida. Rossi was asked if Industrial Heat had access to the part […][/feedquote]
More From Rossi on Restricted Access to the Customer’s Plant
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No news, and confirmation of this frightening red flag pole, already confirmed by Rossi previously.
We don't need to argue on the calorimetry, on the isotopic shift...
time to move to science, and at best to other serious players.
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What?? It was just some kind of "room divider"?
It would have been easy to watch over that wall.Didn't Dewey say the customer site was in another building?
Does anyone know where the picture is from?
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That picture was taken in Doral Fl., during assembly of the IMW plant. I'm pretty sure the partition goes all the way to the ceiling btw. As for the 'Dewey says' - I am certain there was only one building. There were other businesses both sides of Rossi's space, as you can see in this photograph a friend took for me. Rossi's place is the one with the red pick-up truck and the blue Mustang (Penon's) outside.
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I'm pretty sure the partition goes all the way to the ceiling btw.
A red flag pole indeed. -
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I'm pretty sure the partition goes all the way to the ceiling btw.
It doesn't seem that way from this photo. You can see the ceiling light and far wall all the way to the LH side of the photo.
The doors look pretty green compared to the parchment-colored ones in the photos with people inside. Maybe just terrible lighting..
I wonder what that black object is on the other side of the wall.
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I wonder too....it's a shitty picture.
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I wonder what that black object is on the other side of the wall.
Speculation: this is an earlier photo, before it was deemed necessary to go to the extent of raising the wall to the ceiling in order to protect the customer's valuable trade secrets, and what we are seeing is the device consuming 1 MW process heat. -
The one is here is a bit better.
http://tsdr.uspto.gov/documentviewer?caseId=sn85804314&docId=ORC20150915005024#docIndex=7&page=9 -
I am pretty sure the wall goes all the way up. It looks like ordinary subdivided warehouse space, so those would be loadbearing walls. You cannot just tear one down. See the Google view:
https://www.google.com/maps/@2…,204m/data=!3m1!1e3?hl=en
The other reason I think it goes all the way up is because if it did not, some fit person like me would clamber up and have a look.
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@Jed, I think we are talking about the partition, which has a black thing on the other side. You can see the main load-bearing side wall go up to the ceiling joists.
The black thing, my best guess, is a black container.
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I have heard there was an ordinary wall and a locked door. Only Rossi had the key. He was often seen coming in and out of the locked room.
Rossi said he did not allow anyone in. Others have confirmed this. He could not have stopped someone like me from looking over a partition that does not reach the ceiling. I do not think he would take the chance that someone would look. As I said, if it was me there, and he said "you cannot look!" I would immediately clamber up, have a look, and take a photo. It would be hilarious. (He could not stop me. He's small, I'm big, and I do ~600 pushups a day.)
I think that photo has some artifacts that look like a partition. Sort of. If you kind of squint. And you have a vivid imagination.
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@JedRothwell,
I certainly have a vivid imagination, but the insulated pipe seems to go over the partition.
Yes, I would jump up and look too. Probably why we weren't invited over...
The details coming from some people do not seem to entirely jive with the photo, true.Please see my contrast enhanced photo above. More From Rossi on Restricted Access to the Customer’s Plant']More From Rossi on Restricted Access to the Customer’s Plant
Click on the photo for the whole thing, so you can see the ceiling joists.
The "partition" goes to the far wall, which looks to be concrete.
Edit: Maybe the pipes go to the other side of the partition, then go somewhere else, behind a locked door.The photo I contrast enhanced is "made before May 2, 2015" (see page 10 of the USPTO document I linked above or here: http://tsdr.uspto.gov/documentviewer?caseId=sn85804314&docId=ORC20150915005024#docIndex=7&page=10
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I certainly have a vivid imagination, but the insulated pipe seems to go over the partition.
I am sure it goes straight through, on the level. Not up and over. -
Paradigmnoia:
"Yes, I would jump up and look too. Probably why we weren't invited over..."Hmm, a super-selfie-stick used in the right moment, how about that?!
I'm very astonished, if that is the real "test"-setup.
I always had a solid wall and a door in my mind, for the "customers"-section. Dunno why. From Rossie says or Weaver says. Not sure.Man, I'm more and more addicted to this saga.
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@JedRothwell,
The insulated pipe in the photo goes over the partition, at about the height of the top of the Plant container doors. It seems to be coming from behind the far (LH) container doors, from the far outside wall of the container maybe. The white not-insulated-looking pipe goes through the partition somewhat above the level of the floor of the Plant container, also behind the LH door.The original USPTO submission for the trademark Cat and Ball, with this photo accompanying it has a date of March 12, 2015.
It is quite possible this photo was taken was before the partition was extended or rebuilt above the imaged height to something much higher so people could not look over.
This idea would tend to rectify the disparity between descriptions from others who have been at the site and what the photo shows.
Since there is only one address for the Plant (and JMC marked on both front and rear doors), and only one unit seems to have been used, then all the heat must have been contained in the one unit from both Plant and Customer processes. -
Hi all
So the photo establishes there was something over the other side of the wall.
Kind Regards walker
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So the photo establishes there was something over the other side of the wall.
No, the photo establishes that at some time someone took a blurry photo the e-cat was placed in a room somewhere, and that photo sort of maybe gives the impression that the wall is a partition not a full wall. Or maybe it doesn't show that. -
Hi all
In reply to Jed's PostNo, the photo establishes that at some time someone took a blurry photo the e-cat was placed in a room somewhere, and that photo sort of maybe gives the impression that the wall is a partition not a full wall. Or maybe it doesn't show that.
Allow me to paraphrase:So according to Jed:
The wall is imaginary.
The object seen in the photograph over the other side of the wall is imaginary.
The place where the photograph was taken is also imaginary.So I am guessing Jed also thinks the Pipes over the wall and through it are also imaginary. Though I have no proof of this since Jed did not say so. Purely supposition on my part given Jed insisting everything we are talking about is all just an impression we get from the picture.
Hmm...
Kind Regards walker
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