The Industrial Heat Answer

Quote from IH Fanboy

So Fabiani was actually wanting to assist IH in solidifying and improving the plant in preparation for a more marketable, lower cost, and more reliable plant!

I went through the same interpretive process. However, IHFB then jumps to the opposite conclusion. It's not odd that he would do that, and assuming good faith is normal. However, the context is now that Fabiani refused or failed to provide what IH wanted, which was not his conclusions nor necessarily his advice, but his data and knowledge and experience, which he was contractually obligated to provide. They paid him $10,500 per month for this, and at the end, he's asking for continued payment and the IH rep says, basically, we will trade a check for the data you promised, and he disappeared, it seems.

This is will look very simple to a jury: Fabiani was Rossi's friend, not what Rossi presents in his Complaint, an "IH representative," though, yes, part of his job was to report to IH. But where would his loyalty be? He got the contract with IH, it's obvious, because Rossi wanted him to have it and requested that. Unless something else shows up, Fabiani had information that, if he provided, could impeach -- or help impeach -- the Rossi claims. His friend's claims. So he split. Not complicated to understand at all.

This is easily rebutted if the evidence to rebut it exists. And in a lawsuit, if you think something might be true, you allege it. It's normal. Look what Rossi alleged, as to fraud, derived from the bare fact that he had not been paid -- and in fact, it is a surety that he was informed he would not be paid. The lawsuit was filed the day before the payment became past due. To prepare the case required how long?

Annesser was already acting as his attorney, because Jones Day made the demand for patent assignment to Annesser in February. They already had a legal dispute going. At a time when Rossi was denying that there was any problem with IH, on JONP. Rossi lies routinely. He could have simply not made a comment. "I do not comment on private arrangements or even disputes with my partners." That would be normal business.

But Rossi does not do ordinary business, and that all has become totally obvious over the last five years.

A thought just occurred to me. Penon, as an "nuclear engineer," certified the Validation test. That took place in Italy. If IH can show fraud, Penon -- and Rossi, could be sued for and possibly charged with fraud in Italy. The plot thickens. Deja vu all over again.

That James Bass biz card is a "tell" of Rossi's typically poor craftsmanship. His original ecats were rusty junk as was the "ottoman" ecat with the corroded heat exchanger. The classic toolkit Krivit found at the original ecat "factory" in Italy was a tell as well. Rossi doesn't even bother to make his scams good or elegant scams like Steorn did. It correlates with his writing to himself on JONP again and again under silly first names, using his misformed Itanglish style (or is it Englitalian?). Rossi is a miserably mediocre scammer and always has been. The thermoelectric devices he delivered to DOD were junk. Petroldragon was made of junk-- ever see the actual plant photos? The Bass business card could have been made by an artless teenager on an aging ink jet printer. Wow. If you were fooled by Rossi, kick yourself.

What do you expect can be made with this?
http://newenergytimes.com/v2/sr/RossiECat/img/June2011/DSC_0039-E-Cat-Plumbers-Tools.JPG?

yet it's the only tools Krivit found in Rossi's factory!

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To say that IH NEVER saw any excess heat from any Rossi device is just ridiculous. If that is true, then they really are completely incompetent. And I don't believe that.

You should believe that. Vaughn is a religious nut. Darden is basically a bullshipping CEO who has no technical aptitude whatever. And Darden relied on (ROTFWL) the Swedish scientists, Levi, their incompetent mismeasured experiments with hotcats, and the crappola Rossi told him. I will bet you dollars against donuts that Darden never consulted with any nuclear power or heat transfer/fluid flow specialists of any renown nor with any large testing organization or university physics department. Of course not, Rossi impressed on him how everything had to be secret. Darden should have contacted Krivit, Wright and/or me for an executive summary of the history of Rossi's checkered and criminal past and his previous project failures (and no successes). Had he done all of this, he never would have given Rossi money. Dick Smith, wanting to invest in Defkalion did his due diligence including consulting with internet critics of Rossi's including the ones I mentioned. He did not invest and saved a million $ or more. IH did not do proper due diligence (obviously). So yes, IH behaved in a totally incompetent manner. They were hasty, greedy and negligent and they reaped the result. Believe it.

Post moderated because it mentioned suspected doxxing (with details). Alan.

Quote from Paradigmnoia

What this means to me is that most of the Answer Exhibits have been ready for a fair while. We probably haven't seen any of the detailed stuff yet.

Yes, most of it, I expect. And there is buzz. Human beings talk to each other. Secrets leak. Facts are revealed privately, which then become rumor or gossip. Some of this will be true, some will be distorted or even false, even if the one passing it on is truthful. People who are careful will not pass on rumor as fact within their personal experience, and Jed actually made the distinction, while Planet Rossi was badgering him to violate his agreement for confidentiality, treating him as a liar if he didn't "prove" what he was saying, which would generally have been impossible. Yet he also had strong personal reason to think his information was accurate.

We had one actual IH insider posting here and he still shows up from time to time. He was roundly attacked, ridiculed, and harassed. (And, to be sure, he was caustic, as Jed Rothwell was caustic on Wikipedia. People who know what they are talking about commonly become caustic, dealing with the arrogant ignorant.)

If LENR forum wants to actually be what the tag line says, "the trusted low energy nanoscale reaction community," it's going to need to encourage expert participation, protect it (while allowing civil critique), or what will happen will continue to be what has already happened to nearly every on-line forum I know of: the real experts mostly stay away.

Building such a site does not come free. It takes a great deal of work. It takes moderation that does more than occasionally slap some green ink in a post, while leaving stuff that is worse, standing. While threads are routinely hijacked to dilute the information that might be revealed by them. It takes skill, which is commonly missing, because skill site facilitators are not easy to find. Rather people interested in a topic start sites and give little thought to the long term. Nothing wrong with that, but ... what happens, then, can be predicted.

(uh, what is a "nanoscale reaction"?)

Quote from Wyttenbach

So You now believe they (IH) were an acting member in Your story (plott) about not delivered heat...

What does "acting member" mean? Legally responsible for what they invoiced for? Not in context. Customer says, "your plant delivered X heat, invoice me per the agreement" They invoiced the customer. Presumably they were paid, as well. However, this was part of a scheme, IH alleges, to convince IH that heat was being generated. Look! An customer is paying for it! It must be real!

That is pretty straightforward, no matter how much Wytttenback twists it. This gets boring.

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OMG! You really do need to get a new keyboard Abd. The one you use is taking on an orbit all by itself ...