The Industrial Heat Answer

    Quote from Mary Yugo

    You should believe that. Vaughn is a religious nut. Darden is basically a bullshipping CEO who has no technical aptitude whatever. And Darden relied on (ROTFWL) the Swedish scientists, Levi, their incompetent mismeasured experiments with hotcats, and the crappola Rossi told him. I will bet you dollars against donuts that Darden never consulted with any nuclear power or heat transfer/fluid flow specialists of any renown nor with any large testing organization or university physics department. Of course not, Rossi impressed on him how everything had to be secret. Darden should have contacted Krivit, Wright and/or me for an executive summary of the history of Rossi's checkered and criminal past and his previous project failures (and no successes). Had he done all of this, he never would have given Rossi money. Dick Smith, wanting to invest in Defkalion did his due diligence including consulting with internet critics of Rossi's including the ones I mentioned. He did not invest and saved a million $ or more. IH did not do proper due diligence (obviously). So yes, IH behaved in a totally incompetent manner. They were hasty, greedy and negligent and they reaped the result. Believe it.


    Mary, this is the type of reasoning and attitude that turns many off to you arguments. You do yourself a disservice making personal attacks. Back when I was reserving judgment about whether AR had something that worked, I was turned off by your attitude of superiority and irrelevant personal attacks (e.g., "religious nuts"). You conflate issues without really thinking them through. Probably there are more CF/Rossi supporters here who are irreligious than religious, but you don't see those of us who disagree calling them irreligious nuts prone to superstitious beliefs.(1)


    You may be right about some things, but you shoot yourself in the foot with your hostility and sense of superiority (IMHO). I think you actually do care about people, and these things make you angry that people are being taking advantage of. I wish you would stick to that and quit trying to smear groups of people together that are unrelated, or at least try to realize you are not better than the people you disagree with.


    1). http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB122178219865054585

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    Just check the forum member list/posts... It's no joke!


    What do you mean? I tried THHuxley in the member list and get something like "you can't access that."

    Jack Cole


    Tell ya what, read Vaughn's web site, then tell me that again'. Sorry, don't have the link at the moment. Mr. Vaughn seems like a very nice guy who is unfortunately extremely gullible, which, IIRC, is evident in his religious web site. His gullibility (but probably not his religiosity) is indeed an issue inasmuch as he was as responsible as anyone for vetting Rossi and he did a terrible job. I doubt that Darden had time. He probably delegated this and Vaughn was in charge of IH.


    But you're right-- I should have said a credulous nut. Religiosity probably has little to do with it.

    Why is the Matthew/Matthey thread closed? That mistake is hilarious and suggests, along with writing messages to himself in JPNP, that Rossi is falling apart emotionally and/or mentally.

    Do the inhabitants of Planet Rossi have an answer yet for the Matthew/Matthey debacle? It be completely implausible that the company name would be mispelled in the letter head, this is not something that gets typed every time a letter is produced with it. Also it appears that the 'W' has been photoshopped in over they 'Y' because of bad spacing and slight tilt. I am sure Sifferkoll will come up with some ridiculous outlandish excuse to fit the problem as usual..

    Quote from Mary Yugo

    Tell ya what, read Vaughn's web site, then tell me that again'. Sorry, don't have the link at the moment. Mr. Vaughn seems like a very nice guy who is unfortunately extremely gullible, which, IIRC, is evident in his religious web site. His gullibility (but probably not his religiosity) is indeed an issue inasmuch as he was as responsible as anyone for vetting Rossi and he did a terrible job. I doubt that Darden had time. He probably delegated this and Vaughn was in charge of IH.


    But you're right-- I should have said a credulous nut. Religiosity probably has little to do with it.


    I think you probably could just leave the nut part out. :) Anyway, from what I read on his blog before, he did not seem gullible to me, but that is ok. I can't find his blog anymore either.


    Almost anyone can be fooled if you approach the world with a desire to help (a risk worth taking). Some scamming manipulative types can fool many rationally minded people as we have seen.

    WTF?


    Look at Exhibit 15 (Florida State Department - Divisions of Corporations)
    The name of this corporation is:
    J.M. Chemical Products, Inc.


    Look at Exhibit 18 (JMP Inc asking for invoice at IH LLC on a "business paper)
    The name of the corporation is:
    J.M. Products, Inc.
    Even the postal addresses does not match ...


    I always thought, when I register a company/corporation, I have to use THE CORRECT NAME that I've registered for official communications.
    But I'm used with business and legal live in Germany, things in USA could be more fuzzy.


    What a mess! :)

    "I always thought, when I register a company/corporation, I have to use THE CORRECT NAME that I've registered for official communications.But I'm used with business and legal live in Germany, things in USA could be more fuzzy."


    I don't know about USA or Germany but in UK for example you do not have to use the "correct name" for official communication.
    It's very common to have a "trading name" different than that of the "company name".


    For example, our company name is LENR Ltd, but we are trading as Looking For Heat.
    When registering our name with the .gov we entered this information.


    As to my understanding, you can trade as whatever you want as long as you do not infringe on others.

    • Official Post

    This is all the wording about the performance, or lack thereof, of the IP (with, and without Rossi there), validation test, and GPT:


    -Defendants deny that the energy catalyzer (“E-Cat”) technology “generates a low energy nuclear reaction resulting in an exothermic release of energy” along the lines claimed by Plaintiffs – which is that a reactor using the E-Cat technology produces more than 50 times the energy it consumes.

    -Lastly, the E-Cat technology has never been independently validated by a scientifically reliable methodology to produce the energy levels Plaintiffs now claim, and has failed to produce any commercially viable product. Indeed, using the E-Cat technology Plaintiffs directly provided them, Industrial Heat and IPH have been unable to produce any measurable excess energy


    -Defendants deny that the E-Cat produces energy substantially in excess of the amount of energy input into the reaction at a cost substantially below that of more traditional energy sources; see Ex. 1.1 Indeed, using the E-Cat technology Plaintiffs directly provided them, Industrial Heat and IPH have been unable to produce any measurable excess energy.


    -Beyond the fact that Guaranteed Performance could not be achieved in the required time period, Leonardo and Rossi knew that the Plant could not produce a COP of 10.0 or greater (or even a COP or 4.0 or greater) for 350 out of 400 days. As a result, Leonardo and Rossi manipulated the testing process by, among other things, 1) insisting that the Plant be relocated to Miami, far away from Industrial Heat’s offices, to provide steam to a purported manufacturing “customer” that did not actually exist; 2) manipulating, along with Fabiani, the operation of the Plant and the reports of the Plant’s purported operations, to make it appear that the Plant was producing a COP far greater than 10.0;


    -During the same time period, Counter-Plaintiffs (IH) continued their own efforts to replicate Rossi’s purported results using the E-Cat IP that Leonardo and Rossi had provided them when they received the $10 million payment. Counter-Plaintiffs were unable to replicate any of Leonardo and Rossi’s claimed results or otherwise generate measurable excess energy. This led Counter-Plaintiffs to realize that there were only three possible conclusions: 1) Leonardo and Rossi’s claimed results, including the purported results from the Validation, were fabricated; 2)Leonardo and Rossi did not provide all of the E-Cat IP to Counter-Plaintiffs as was required under the License Agreement in exchange for the $10 million payment; or 3) both.


    -Because Leonardo and Rossi knew that the Plant could not achieve Validation as defined in the License Agreement, they manipulated the Validation testing procedure to deceive Counter-Plaintiffs into making the second payment under the License Agreement.
    On or about May 7, 2013, Penon issued his Evaluation Test Report on the Validation test (the “Evaluation Report”). According to the Evaluation Report, the 18 individual E-Cat reactors tested over the course of the 23 1/2 hour period produced a COP of 10.85.


    ~from approximately September 2013 through December 2013, Rossi was on site at Industrial Heat’s facility in North Carolina working with Industrial Heat personnel in efforts both (a) to develop new versions of E-Cat reactors or new devices in which E-Cat reactors would operate and (b) to replicate the results of prior E-Cat testing as either claimed by Leonardo and Rossi or reported by Penon in connection with the Validation testing in Italy. 63. Despite Rossi’s presence and participation in the testing in North Carolina, the ECat testing in North Carolina was never able reliably or credibly to reproduce the COP of 10.85 as reported by Penon (or even reach the lowest COP threshold identified in the License Agreement, which was a COP of 4.0).


    -After Rossi left North Carolina, Counter-Plaintiffs’ personnel continued their work on developing new devices in which E-Cat reactors would operate and trying to replicate the results of prior E-Cat testing as either claimed by Leonardo and Rossi or reported by Penon. Rossi would visit the North Carolina facility on occasion to provide his input and opinions as to the device designs (and design changes) and the testing methodologies and results. None of the testing replicated (or came close to replicating) the high COP results previously claimed by Leonardo, Rossi, and Penon, or otherwise generated measurable excess energy


    -In 2014, knowing that the high COP results that Leonardo, Rossi, and Penon had previously claimed could not be replicated by the various testing of E-Cat reactors in North Carolina (some done with the direct participation of Rossi) or even by the scientists in Lugano (though Rossi had significant control over their testing), Leonardo, Rossi, and others devised a scheme to get the Plant removed from under Industrial Heat’s control in North Carolina and to a location in Florida where Leonardo, Rossi, and others could operate the Plant without careful oversight and could control how any measurements of the Plant’s performance were conducted.

    -In mid-2015, Industrial Heat hired Joseph Murray (“Murray”) to serve as Vice President of Engineering, and empowered him to assemble a team of engineers and scientists to elevate the level of Industrial Heat’s testing and evaluation of LENR technology. Among other things, one of the projects undertaken by that team was rigorous testing of the E-Cat IP. That testing demonstrated quite clearly that the results previously claimed by Leonardo, Rossi, and Penon simply could not be replicated using the E-Cat IP that Leonardo and Rossi had provided to Counter-Plaintiffs.


    -However, after numerous attempts, both with and without Rossi’s involvement, Counter-Plaintiffs have been unable, using the transferred E-Cat IP, to replicate the results included in the Evaluation Report purportedly certifying that Validation was achieved from April 30 to May 1, 2013, or otherwise generate measureable excess energy.

    LFH Sam
    "As to my understanding, you can trade as whatever you want as long as you do not infringe on others."


    Thank your for giving me that information.
    In Germany, when you send e.g. a letter or an e-mail, in with you are corresponding as an "official" form a company, there has to be the correct company name and the company registration number "Handelsregister-Nummer" and information about the board of directors (depending on the type of company).
    Yeees, we are very correct :)
    No problem, if you leave that away in Germany and everything goes fine (e.g. material is delivered, bills get paid).
    But in case of issues/problems, this also counts in legal issues and then in front of a jury


    Okay, rest of the world may handle that in different way.
    Got it!

    • Official Post

    Sounds like IH did their homework on this JMP. I would not hold out much hope they are legitimate. Sounds like they (JD) talked with Johnson Matthey to confirm their suspicions. Also, if JD could not locate Bass, and say he does not exist after looking for him...in addition to that ridiculous business card, I would be bet he is what IH claims (fake). Probably checked with the real JM on that too:


    In fact, in August 2014 Johnson on behalf of JMP even warranted in writing that JMP “[was] owned by an entity formed in the United Kingdom, and none of Leonardo, Dr. Andrea Rossi, Henry W. Johnson nor any of their respective subsidiaries, directors, officers, agents, employees, affiliates, significant others, or relatives by blood or marriage [had] any ownership interest” in JMP. See Compl. Ex. B. (last page of Plaintiffs’ Exhibit). JMP, however, has never been a subsidiary of Johnson Matthey, was not operating or planning to operate any manufacturing process in Florida, and was in fact owned by persons whom Johnson represented in writing did not have any ownership interest in JMP.


    Leonardo, Rossi, JMP, Johnson and Fabiani even went so far as to create a fictional JMP employee – James A. Bass, Director of Engineering for JMP. Despite diligent search, Counter-Plaintiffs have not been able to identify or locate this individual, for the simple reason that he does not exist.

    Jones Day would not be putting their name on this claim without doing their homework. We are talking months of research and getting to the bottom of JM Products. They know what they are doing. The only thing left is conspiracy theories. But isn't that where everything ends?

    Good, Shane. ROTFWL! I suspect that James A. Bass is swimming with the fishes. He may even be Demonico Fioravanti.

    Quote from bang99

    I always thought, when I register a company/corporation, I have to use THE CORRECT NAME that I've registered for official communications.


    I believe there was a name change for JMP that was registered at some point, and one of the names you identified was the earlier name and another was the new name.


    I don't know about letterheads, but US law seems to be flexible about things like what company name a check is made out to. If you squint your eyes and the company name seems approximately right, the check will usually deposit. (Yes, we still use checks from time to time.)

    Quote from Eric Walker


    I took a close look, and it looks like a simple PDF scanning artifact. My bet is on its having been "Johnson Matthew Platinum Sponges," without any after-the-fact modification.


    I don't know...I find it odd that the only letter in question is the one letter that has off spacing and slightly tilted. If you believe it has not been edited, do you think creating letterhead as Matthew was a ploy (weak one) to sneak around actually claiming Matthey? It is highly unlikely that letterhead would have a typo in it as it is not typed out each time. It is VERY VERY fishy either way...especially since Rossi continues even today to claim no attachment to Johnson Matthey.

    Quote from stephenrenzz

    If you believe it has not been edited, do you think creating letterhead as Matthew was a ploy (weak one) to sneak around actually claiming Matthey? It is highly unlikely that letterhead would have a typo in it as it is not typed out each time. It is VERY VERY fishy either way...especially since Rossi continues even today to claim no attachment to Johnson Matthey.


    It looks like a hilarious ploy to try to get a modicum of plausible deniability in there. If they had put "Johnson Matthey Platinum Sponges," I suppose they would have left themselves open to an action from Johnson Matthey, or one of false representation from IH. As it stands, JMP just look (really) foolish. It is the case that "Johnson" is the last name of the lawyer who is JMP's CEO; now they just need to explain to the jury where the "Matthew" comes from (as well as the part about the platinum sponges). ("Matthew" was the name of a character in my son's favorite childhood story, or something.)

    Rossi sure is busy with his fake users on the ever so ridiculous JONP today. He should at least have someone else write the comments for him so the speech patterns and grammar are not so obvious. I love the ones that praise him and speak of paper tigers and clowns. Rossi is SO transparent lol.

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