From the flowmeter manufacturer's web site, here is a copy of the type approval per the Slovak Institute of Metrology.
http://www.apator.com/uploads/…/type-approval-mwn130.pdf
It shows 1.575 m^3/hr as the minimum flow rate for that model.
Flow meter used in 1-MW test
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From the flowmeter manufacturer's web site, here is a copy of the type approval per the Slovak Institute of Metrology.
We all know it Dan. Thank's anyway.
The problem is that a fake inspector, with no clue about physics is the only person, who claimed to see that modell named in the Exihibit...
The correct modell must be named in the ERV report which IH will not publish (We see now why..).
JED and others told that many wrong things (position, tube-length before after..) about the flowmeter, that we must assume, that the flow meter is a center piece of their cheat of this forum.
The use of the "by IH claimed" flow meter is absourd, because this version is constructed for huge instalations with a flow of over thousand m3/day.
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Post removed for attempted doxxing. Alan.
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Quote from Wyttenbach
The use of the "by IH claimed" flow meter is absourd, because this version is constructed for huge instalations with a flow of over thousand m3/day.
I agree. It is a clearly wrong setup, and if Rossi had looked at the ICCF demo he would have known that using an impellor flowmeter so far out of its normal operating range could lead to spoofed high COP.
I don't know whether that was the reason for its use, but it is clearly incompetent to use it.
Now there are three possibilities:
(1) IH made this happen, for some weird reason
(2) Penon/Rossi made this happen.
(3) it did not happen and IH are lying in the ;legal answer in a way that surely Discovery will detect. that would be very stupid.Perhaps you'd like to argue which of these three is most likley? I do remembr that Jed here (I think) claimed that Rossi/Penon changed the setup shipped from IH and specifically chnaged the flowmeter? I'd expect that could easily be established (or not) in Court.
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Alan, I'd like you to respect your promise made a few days ago about how you would treat claimed personal information posted here breaking anonymity and delete/moderate all Wyttenbach's posts which mention me? That is I think every one for the last 2 hours before this post.
Thanks, THH
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That would also mean deleting all your posts referencing the alleged doxxing. Is that ok?
ETA - I ask because some people get very sniffy about being moderated. In fact, in my experience everybody does.
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Doxxing should be strongly discouraged here, to the point of banning repeat offenders.
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Perhaps you'd like to argue which of these three is most likley? I do remembr that Jed here (I think) claimed that Rossi/Penon changed the setup shipped from IH and specifically chnaged the flowmeter? I'd expect that could easily be established (or not) in Court.
TH: We all want to see the truth, not the FUD of the last weeks.
The type of flow-meter must have been mentionned by the ERV: The only harm to publish this page of the report, could be the sudden death of IH in front of a complaint...
If the fact is true, the ERV used a wrong flow-meter (which went back for recalibration I hope..), then the other side breaks down and the ERV (not Rossi) will get his punishment.
The rest of the story is more than confuse and may be, we should just wait some months.The famous exhibit 5 will brake either sides neck... I don't speculate, but I guess some people will not sleep well the next days, because the judge will ask for the ERV report! (To verify these facts!)
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Is the NK and NC the same thing?
It looked to me that the manual (for the NK version) shows that the hot water units (130) pulse once every 0.1 m^3. -
Is the NK and NC the same thing?
From the outside and the internal build up they seem to be the same. They are intended for different use (mass flow). I guess, if you know them in detail you can distinguish the models. The MP model is much heavier than MWN version.
Subtype 80 means a 80mm tube which is irrationaly huge for a water flow of 0.4l/second ... For the MWN modell there is no English product flyer...
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@Wyttenbach
I was just translating the Polish:NC - transmitter pulses for heat meters (Reed)
NK - contact transmitter (Reed): Remote-volume transferWhat I was looking at earlier was this:
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So it looks like NC is one with no transmitter, IOW, fully manual reading.
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So it looks like NC is one with no transmitter, IOW, fully manual reading.
I didn't look an the NC. MP/MWN have the same rates... MP is for smaller, probably outdor, installations. Did You anywhere see 80mm flow back water tubes?
You shouldn't spend much more time for this. The whole story is a "gage aux folles" now. I guess there is one statement needed and the whole story is at a end and we loose a lot of fun!
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That would also mean deleting all your posts referencing the alleged doxxing. Is that ok?
ETA - I ask because some people get very sniffy about being moderated. In fact, in my experience everybody does.
Fine by me to delete such references. Regrettable they need to be made. THH.
I think the benefits of a clean forum where issues are debated on merits without personal references are well worth the aggro.
Thanks, THH
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Hopefully no one upsets the apple cart. Good to have you back.
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I didn't look an the NC. MP/MWN have the same rates... MP is for smaller, probably outdor, installations. Did You anywhere see 80mm flow back water tubes?
You shouldn't spend much more time for this. The whole story is a "gage aux folles" now. I guess there is one statement needed and the whole story is at a end and we loose a lot of fun!
One pulse per 100 dm^3, unless ordered special. 36 counts per day?... ahem...
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You Italians usually stay up all night when on vacation?
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You Italians usually stay up all night when on vacation?
Well, we gotta finish up supper !
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As pointed out over on ECW:
"a spec sheet that clearly shows the minimum flow rate of this model as 1.4 m3/hr http://www.bellflowsystems.co.uk/files/PDF/MWN-130-NC.pdf.
That would be under 33,000 kg/day and well under the 36,000 kg/day that
is apparently in the ERV report and has been offered by Rossi
directly."...
"And this spec sheet straight from Apator
shows an even lower minimal flow rate for the MWN130-80-NC: 0.625 m3/hr
at lower temperature (30 deg C) on up to 1.575 m3/hr at its highest
operating temperature of 130 deg C. http://www.apator.com/uploads/…N-G/en-00045-2011-mwn.pdfIt seems operating at ~100 deg C with this flow meter would accurately read a flow rate of 36,000 kg/day."
So, it seems like the selected flow meter could quite accurately measure the stated flows.
Comments Jed?
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