New3SC-11 : 11th International Conference on New Theories, Discoveries, Applications of Superconductors and Related Materials

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a conference on superconduction theories

Can you guess why this would be relevant in LENR?

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J. Dufour : Synthesis of an Iron Pico-Hydride(Fe-pH). A permanent electric dipole of atomic size with high enthalpy of formation

Have you checked this short report?
http://www.iscmns.org/work11/17%20Dufour.pdf

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Have you checked this short report?
http://www.iscmns.org/work11/17%20Dufour.pdf

Maybe this excerpt will get some more people interested:

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[...] For the reaction to occur, electrons must be present in the reacting medium, where hydrogen is adsorbed on the metal (transition metals, like iron, adsorb hydrogen). Electrons are available when the vapor of an alkaline metal like sodium or lithium is present in the reacting medium and if the temperature is sufficiently high.

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Jacques Dufour is retired from Shell as scientific director.
So he tries to explain LENR by his background ( the main trap !) then believes that LENR is just chemistry at picometer size..

Why "just"? Molecular bonds do not usually have single digit picometer distances, do they?

Also note that the recently discussed ultra-dense hydrogen of Leif Holmlid can be essentially defined as a new dense chemical species of hydrogen with a picometer sized bond distance (2.3 pm). Are they looking at the same thing?

What is interesting here is the explanation cited above. It is not actually nothing new, but it makes it clear that the reaction (= this new kind of molecular bonding that they hypothesize) can happen when hydrogen adsorbed (ad means on the surface) on transition metal surfaces is in an electron rich environment like for example that obtained with gaseous alkali metals. But this could potentially also happen with other methods and with other materials that inherently have a large surface area.

Do you remember what Piantelli does in his patents? He strongly suggests to do things for example like using an alkali "electron-donor material" in proximity (but not in contact with) to the hydrogen adsorbed on the transition metal surface or to ionize the hydrogen with various methods that lead to the formation of positive (ions) and negative charges (electrons). Can you catch the similarities?

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LENR seems to have links with Superconduction
One founder of HERA, Paolo Tripodi , have discovered Type II superconductions in PdDx x>0.9.
In DTRA/Spawar/Boss report link between SC and LENR is claimed.

Yes, dense clusters of hydrogen are expected and sometimes measured to be superconducting. Quite likely, this property stems from this new type of bonding hypothesized that should be more similar in nature to metallic hydrogen than simply compressed gaseous hydrogen.

In Pd-type materials (the ones suitable at least, since the loading ratio is not the only factor) this form of hydrogen should be formed in nanometric pores and lattice defects where hydrogen molecules can anomalously accumulate and their bonds squeezed to extreme levels. You may remember that in addition to Tripodi, George Miley also believes something similar.

So, here is the connection with the report above by Dufour about picochemical hydrogen. One of the authors is Jenny D. Vinko, who is also a founder of HERA with Tripodi, and also authored several papers with him (see here: http://www.heraphysics.it/pubblicazioni.htm) . So it is likely that they all must accept or at least considered the possibility that superconducting clusters of hydrogen are formed in the process.

You may also be interested to know that the ultradense hydrogen of Holmlid should also be a room temperature superconductor. You probably also recall that the last paper published by him in 2016 was authored with Bernhard Kotzias of the Airbus group (see http://scitation.aip.org/conte…dva/6/4/10.1063/1.4947276), which may also be loosely linked with the participation of Jean-François Geneste in this conference about superconductivity.

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Perhaps, he is like "old fashion school" then so secret !!
Rossi also comes from petrochemical industry not Piantelli, is it important ?

I am not sure if that is so important, but Rossi must have had some familiarity with catalysts because of his involvement with Petroldragon and in later years biodiesel production.

You also have to consider that "E-Cat" was intended to be an abbrieviated form of "Energy catalyzer", nothing to do with cats. In Italian "catalyst" is "catalizzatore". "Catalyzer" is a Rossi-ism that was also present in his first international patent application (it is mentioned that the powder contains "catalyzers" => catalysts). This may be relevant or not.

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In any case Dufour as Holmlid said that they "discoveries" aren't LENR.

I believe that Holmlid said that, but with Olafsson he also acknowledged that his findings could be inherent in cold fusion and LENR experiments (1) or explain certain aspects of LENR (2). Olafsson is also going to attend ICCF20 (3) so it is clear that he sees at least some correlations with LENR.

But in the end I agree that that the reaction may not actually be "cold fusion" aka LENR.

(1) http://www.sciencedirect.com/s…cle/pii/S0360319915016018
(2) http://tempid.altervista.org/SRI.pdf
(3) http://iccf20.net/contents/Program.html (3-Oct 15:40)

David Fojt,

With some imagination a high temperature version (>> 1000°C) using the same principles cited in the Dufour report may be more similar to a hybrid between an incandescent light bulb and a sodium vapor lamp. I think I have already read a similar suggestion somewhere else (Cobraf?).