MFMP Video discussing Rossi-tech, prior art and 'making it go bang'.

Thanks to Bob Greenyer of MFMP and with assistance from an LENR forum member for this new information. The video and the patent discussed are linked below. For me, it prompts a question. What have the inventors done with this tech since? Dows anyone know where they work now?

http://www.google.com/patents/US20070263758

Hi Barty. Bob does like to beat his chest a bit! Read the patent APPLICATION link. or watch from around 11 minutes in.

ETA. I can't (yet - now found) find Kenneth A Rubinson, the lead researcher- but I have found Alfred Kornel.

Alfred Kornel. U.S. Environmental Protection Agency Risk Reduction Engineering Laboratory 26 W. Martin Luther King Drive Cincinnati, OH 45268 (some years ago).
Kenneth A Rubinson https://www.amazon.com/Chemica…th-Rubinson/dp/0316760870

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- A second element capable forming covalent hydrides like Sb (forming SbH3) or Ge (forming GeH4) is provided as a "catalyst".

One of the problems that concerns me is the very high toxicity of many tri-hydrides. Phosgene (PH₃₎ is the best known example - having had a modest does of Phosgene poisoning in a lab many years ago I will never forget that one, it was a bit like having a full troupe of cavalry gallop over your chest! Here is what Wikipedia says about Stibene - hydrided Antimony.

The toxicity of stibine is distinct from that of other antimony compounds, but similar to that of arsine.[8] Stibine binds to the haemoglobin of red blood cells, causing them to be destroyed by the body. Most cases of stibine poisoning have been accompanied by arsine poisoning, although animal studies indicate that their toxicities are equivalent. The first signs of exposure, which can take several hours to become apparent, are headaches, vertigo and nausea, followed by the symptoms of hemolytic anemia (high levels of unconjugated bilirubin), hemoglobinuria and nephropathy.

50% fatal dose in mice achieved at 100ppM.

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This is probably unrelated with what axil was trying to say but I just thought: if the "catalytic element" here is a covalent hydride of any of the groups listed above, then potentially methane or other hydrocarbons could be suitable too. CH4 could be considered a tetrahydride of carbon.

This had also occured to me. It may also happen (from memory - no time to check) that Nickel will catalyse C+H_{4 -> CH4 at high temperatures.}

@gameover OK- if methane is a no go, we could consider Hexane, Octane, Decane perhaps? There is a phase change problem if you use liquid- but that could be overcome. What do you think. Most of these are available- though Decane is likely to get the FDA around- apparently it is used for extracting Cannabis Oils.

ETA- the hardware for this is not a problem. Easy using the 'model T' as a basis.

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For what it is worth, according to Wikipedia Stibine (SbH3) decomposes rapidly above 200°C while Germane (GeH4) decomposes above 600K (327°C). Why (or better, how) does this patent claim their usage at temperatures greater than 300°C?

The above is indeed a problem. I have a few doubts about this whole scenario - not Bob's fault at all, since I know (or believe) he has not had an opportunity to replicate it all himself - and I am not sure the MFMP team knew much about this before his video reveal. Perhaps magicsound (Alan) could comment on that?

Regardless, www.lookingforheat.com are ordering extra chemicals and I am designing a reactor and building a bigger fume cabinet especially to suit a replication - have zero doubt LFH are supporting MFMP of course- helping with research is what we do.

These are the things which make me personally unsure that this is so important and bomb-proof. But would be delighted to be wrong (I often am).

1. These guys all went back to their daytime jobs. Teaching, writing textbooks, working at the EPA. They soon got over their initial excitement at the discovery of this phenomenon.
2. It is only a patent application - they never paid the fees required to make it a solid legally protected patent. Although they used an expensive (they all are ) agency for the first patent.
3. Nobody cited it in any other pure LENR patent - in fact it has been cited only once since.
4. Nobody seems to have replicated or repeated the work they describe - unless that is in peer-reviewed journals I cannot access.
5. There is no experimental data, no calorimetry, no COP mentioned in the patent.

For those who are thinking about replicating this patent application I have obtained for www.lookingforheat.com around 100grams of high-purity Boron Powder average particle size 1 Micron (still en route) and we already have good stocks of LiH as well as LiAlH4. The first two chemicals are not yet mentioned on the website, but email for details if you wish to buy some. We have no plans to sell either Antimony or Germanium for the forseeable future, purely on the grounds of the highly toxic nature of their tri-hydrides.