Rossi: Litigation to Last ‘at Least One Year’

  • [feedquote='E-Cat World','http://www.e-catworld.com/2016/10/14/rossi-litigation-to-last-at-least-one-year/']If anyone is hoping for a speedy conclusion to the Rossi v. Darden et al court proceedings, Andrea Rossi doesn’t share that expectation. On the Journal of Nuclear Physics today he was asked how long he though the litigation would last, and his response was “at least one year”. The proceedings have become more complex […][/feedquote]
  • Only slightly related point — seems both Leonardo and IH have submitted a joint request for confidentiality for the discovery process, where documents are presumed confidential unless a challenge is made. The request was approved by the magistrate. We may never see Penon's report, as some have been cautioning.

  • It will last until Rossi runs out of lawyer money or until he decides to cut his losses and emigrate to Brazil (or hides in Italy) with what he has left.


    @Alan: If IH wants to keep it a secret that the ecat doesn't work, why did Darden issue a statement to the effect that it doesn't work? Strange way to keep a secret, no?

  • @Alan: If IH wants to keep it a secret that the ecat doesn't work, why did Darden issue a statement to the effect that it doesn't work? Strange way to keep a secret, no?


    There seems to be a tendency to take flippant remarks (which I am often guilty of) rather too seriously today. Never mind Mary, it's the weekend, let your hair dpwn and go dancing.

  • Except that their press releases and the statement they asked you to upload never states that it does not work. LOL.


    Yes, it does, and the papers they filed in the court case state this even more clearly, with many concrete details. See Exhibit 5.


    There is no doubt that I.H. denies the machine works. Why does anyone quibble with this? You might claim that I.H. is wrong, or they are lying, but it is absurd to say they claim the machine works.


    Rossi's test and his data also clearly shows the machine does not work. As I said, if it worked as claimed, he and many others would be dead.

  • @IHFB


    The "escape hatches in language" are simply a consequence of the world we live in. That Rossi's stuff never works cannot in principle ever be proven. That Rossi's stuff does not work when IH test it to the limit of their test accuracy is all they can know, and that is not the same thing.


    Unlike Rossi, who often makes grandiose claims with no relation to reality, IH seem to be careful that what they say should be strictly the truth and nothing but the truth.

  • The issue in the suits is not if it works or not. It is about 1) where the agreed requirements fulfilled (timing, prior agreements before testing, written approval of testers,.....) and 2) did Rossi actually transfer the technology to IH so that they could get results. The first point is locked up in legal limbo. My gut feeling of the second is that Rossi did not have the levels of heat he claimed (if any) within a timely set up and with out his interference during testing and he certainly did not transfer the IP so others can use it.


    I definitely think that LENR is "real" but do not believe Rossi has a commercially viable system that he transferred to IH. If he did, I am sure that IH would be using it and gearing up for commercialization. We would see engineering and manufacturing efforts.

  • No, they don't, which is precisely why there has been so much intrigue in the community surrounding those statements.


    There is no intrigue. Only stupidity. I.H. very clearly stated the reasons why Rossi's test could not have worked, and why it was blatant fraud, in Exhibit 5. Rossi's own data shows that every claim in Exhibit 5 is correct. There are only two groups of people who disagree:


    1. Those who are too stupid to see that the observers in Rossi's warehouse would be cooked to death if this were true.


    2. Those who do not believe Exhibit 5, and who do not believe me when I say Rossi's data proves everything claimed in Exhibit 5.


    If you want to say these two groups are engaged in "intrigue" then okay, you can call it that. I say it is merely inane stupidity, wishful thinking, or promoting fraud -- perhaps in exchange for a bribe from Rossi. I expect the people who yowl about "FUD" are paid by Rossi. They accuse others of this because they themselves are engaged in it, and they assume the rest of us also live in a sewer.

  • The issue in the suits is not if it works or not. It is about 1) where the agreed requirements fulfilled (timing, prior agreements before testing, written approval of testers,.....) and 2) did Rossi actually transfer the technology to IH so that they could get results. The first point is locked up in legal limbo.


    No, it is not locked up. Exhibit 5 describes Rossi's data almost as completely as Rossi's own data tables. There are only a few details left to fill in. I uploaded some simulated data showing what I mean by that. It shows you everything Rossi himself recorded, plus the fake data he stuffed into the tables. Exhibit 5 tells you everything there is to know about the test, and everything you need to see that it was an out-and-out ridiculous, blatant fraud. Rossi did not even try to make it convincing.


    If you do not believe I.H. and you do not believe me when I write this, you will say say "it may have worked" or "it did work." If you believe us then let make it clear that the inescapable conclusion from this data is that it did not work; it could not have worked; and it did not begin to deceive any experienced person who saw the physical experiment or the data.

  • I expect the people who yowl about "FUD" are paid by Rossi. They accuse others of this because they themselves are engaged in it, and they assume the rest of us also live in a sewer.


    @JED: May be you didn't notice it. The only guy dealing with oil and possibly drawing profit out of the AR-mess, has gone quiet!


    As I already told many times: Let's focus on LENR! Leave the (AR-) soap opera discussions and let it run by the ones that need it...

  • If he did, I am sure that IH would be using it and gearing up for commercialization. We would see engineering and manufacturing efforts.


    Why do you think we would see the specific of such efforts? Dewey has talked before of IH's engineers and engineering facilities. IH are acquiring LENR IP, and filing for patent protection internationally. Seems like gearing up for something to me.

  • 1. Those who are too stupid to see that the observers in Rossi's warehouse would be cooked to death if this were true.


    1. Or, as the case may be, those who are too stupid to consider a chimney may have evacuated some or much of the heat. Because, why would anybody release the heat into the internal space of the factory? I know, I know: you say Rossi is lying that there was a chimney and the photos prove it. Rossi may be lying, but the photos you point to most definitely don't prove it.



    2. Those who do not believe Exhibit 5, and who do not believe me when I say Rossi's data proves everything claimed in Exhibit 5.


    2. Ahhh yes, the sacrosanct and mysterious Exhibit 5, with no signature attached to it and no letter head, and no firm statement as to its authorship. Just a flimsy suggestion in IH's filing.



    If you want to say these two groups are engaged in "intrigue" then okay, you can call it that. I say it is merely inane stupidity, wishful thinking, or promoting fraud -- perhaps in exchange for a bribe from Rossi. I expect the people who yowl about "FUD" are paid by Rossi. They accuse others of this because they themselves are engaged in it, and they assume the rest of us also live in a sewer.


    LOL. You are the one who outright refused to answer my question of whether IH had ever paid you in money or other forms of compensation. Go ahead, feel welcome to ask me if I am paid by Rossi or anyone associated with Rossi. I'll give you a straight up answer.

  • An invisible chimney. As you see from the photos, there is no chimney. If there were a chimney, Rossi's lawyers would say so, wouldn't they?


    More like a visible chimney, as can be seen in the photos, and pointed out by others on this forum. Now, while it is unlikely that the chimney in the photo can evacuate all of the heat, it has also never been claimed that the chimney needed to do such a thing. Moreover, the timing of the photos is also not disclosed by IH, nor do the photos cover the entire factory. And if a chimney is important to the litigation, I'm sure it will be part of the discussion. All this talk of chimneys, sheesh. Time for some Fiddler.

  • No where did Rossi tell IH to use pure lithium 7 in the E-Cat fuel prep stage. This factoid is not in his patent or anywhere else that Rossi has written down. Rossi must have his own stash of pure lithium based fuel in his kit bag. IH will not get LENR to work unless they use pure lithium 7 in fuel preparation.

  • Ahhh yes, the sacrosanct and mysterious Exhibit 5, with no signature attached to it and no letter head, and no firm statement as to its authorship. Just a flimsy suggestion in IH's filing.


    If it flimsy and fake, why didn't Penon answer it? Why haven't Rossi's lawyers disputed it?


    More like a visible chimney, as can be seen in the photos, and pointed out by others on this forum.


    There is no chimney. There is only a vent with a broken fan, which could not possibly remove more than a small fraction of 1 MW.

  • Jed, there is an extant photograph of an 6" or possibly 8" diameter stainless-steel flue with a substantial moisture trap in it among the Doral photographs. I posted it last time you said 'there was no chimney'. Here it is again. There is a good argument it is inadequate, but it is way bigger than the (normally 4") flue on a domestic-size gas-fired water heater.