me356: Photos of AURA control unit
This post shows the LENR active agent leaving the fuel that me356 has produced.
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"Got built with a dummy charge"...Rossi wound never build a "dummy charge" because he did not beleive in running dummies. Rossi always put fuel into the tube reactors that he build. Somebody from IH must have removed the fuel from that "dummy".
False, false, false.
Why don't you read the description by THHuxley above? Seriously, why do you keep making up nonsensical fantasies about what happened? We know exactly what happened. No one disputes the facts. I.H. testified to them, and Rossi did not challenge that testimony. (He challenged and denied many other assertions.)
Why do you feel this urge to confabulate when the facts are right here, in this thread, a few messages above? Facts not disputed by anyone, yet ignored by you. Who do you expect to convince? Why would anyone believe anything you say, when you boldly contradict facts that even Rossi acknowledged? Do you care at all about your own credibility? Can you tell the difference between true and false? Do you not understand that in science, it is not a good idea to make up baseless nonsense and pass it off as fact? Maybe you enjoy confabulation but it confuses the issues here. Other people may not realize you are making up fantasies.
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False, false, false.
Why don't you read the description by THHuxley above? Seriously, why do you keep making up nonsensical fantasies about what happened? We know exactly what happened. No one disputes the facts. I.H. testified to them, and Rossi did not challenge that testimony. (He challenged and denied many other assertions.)
Why do you feel this urge to confabulate when the facts are right here, in this thread, a few messages above? Facts not disputed by anyone, yet ignored by you. Who do you expect to convince? Why would anyone believe anything you say, when you boldly contradict facts that even Rossi acknowledged? Do you care at all about your own credibility? Can you tell the difference between true and false? Do you not understand that in science, it is not a good idea to make up baseless nonsense and pass it off as fact? Maybe you enjoy confabulation but it confuses the issues here. Other people may not realize you are making up fantasies.
Look at the logic of the Dardin statement. My opinion is based on logic of the information that i have become familiar with. Base your aguments on logic.
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"We are being helped also by retired military specialists of the field.
Warm Regards,
A.R."Cavalry comes to the rescue!
After adding 100% heat exchangers and fitting to high effecticve turbines, top class IT-specialists, hacking-safe infrastructure, there is even more, that can we done in regard of the E-Scat and it periphery.
Just to make the business case rock solid (and delay it of course some more years)
a) Blockchain! Beause every really cool company has an R&D in blockchain technology, without, you are a loser
b) AI! Add some artifical intelligence to the control system (introduce Google or IBM into the project -> State of the Art!)
c) Nano-Bots! They can repair the SCat from inside or even improve it (must work together with AI, ask Google)
d) Online payment for the heat! Can be combined with the Blockchain
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Look at the logic of the Dardin statement. My opinion is based on logic of the information that i have become familiar with.
Dardin's statement is logical. Rossi did not dispute it. He was standing right there, and unlike you, he did not claim it didn't happen. You have apparently become familiar with a form of logic practiced only in some alien planet or in a house of mirrors.
Rossi's other tests are as bad as this, so it is no surprise this test failed completely. It is not illogical. The Doral test is as bad as this, as you would see if you deigned to look at Rossi's own Penon report -- which of course you will not do. It wouldn't be logical for you to look at actual assertions made by Rossi. It is "logical" for you to confabulate what Rossi said, did, and meant instead of reading what he himself said.
You have strange notions!
Base your aguments on logic.
As opposed to basing arguments on undisputed facts in sworn legal testimony? Facts that Rossi did not question or dispute? Even at that time, he didn't say "it works even when it is empty!" YOU made that up, not him.
That's not logic.
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a) Blockchain! Beause every really cool company has an R&D in blockchain technology, without, you are a loser
Yes! This is a brilliant strategy. Managers at a British company increased their stock value by 394% just by adding "blockchain" to the company name. Why doesn't everyone do that?!? We could increase the Dow to 98,500 overnight, and make everyone a millionaire.
See:
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Managers at a British company increased their stock value by 394% just by adding "blockchain" to the company name.
May be we should rename LENR to gold or "platinum breeding" ....
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Yes there was a dummy charge in one. You can read the excerpt from the trial dispositions here:
http://coldfusioncommunity.net/the-russians-stole-the-fuel/
It was run by mistake when they miss read the labels 6 and 9.
It was not known (that is it was truly a "blind run") that it was a dummy when it was run.
It was discovered later after the run.
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Dardin's disposition...
"Got built with a dummy charge"...Rossi would never build a "dummy charge" because he did not beleive in running dummies. Rossi always put fuel into the tube reactors that he build. Somebody from IH must have removed the fuel from that "dummy". IMHO, once fuel is placed in a reactor that reactor is useless as a dummy because it is active even without fuel.
Axil...
You assume here that Rossi put the charge in these reactors. The whole point of paying Rossi $10.5M was so that IH could make their own reactors, and add fuel. Darden was given the super-secret fuel recipe by Rossi and so IH could both make (empty) reactors to Rossi spec, and add fuel also to Rossi spec.
Facts trump opinion. And your opinion on this topic has been struggling to generate the fixed outcome you look for.
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After adding 100% heat exchangers and fitting to high effecticve turbines, top class IT-specialists, hacking-safe infrastructure, there is even more, that can we done in regard of the E-Scat and it periphery.
Just to make the business case rock solid (and delay it of course some more years)
a) Blockchain! Beause every really cool company has an R&D in blockchain technology, without, you are a loser
b) AI! Add some artifical intelligence to the control system (introduce Google or IBM into the project -> State of the Art!)
c) Nano-Bots! They can repair the SCat from inside or even improve it (must work together with AI, ask Google)
d) Online payment for the heat! Can be combined with the Blockchain
Reading JONP. I think the whole internet thing is designed as a cover to prevent Rossi's latest invention from being copied.
You see, Rossi has discovered a new particle, the heaton, and learnt how to make virtual heatons.
Rossi's master plan is to have the reactors tightly under his control in a secret underground floridal lab - generate virutal heatons, direct their tunnelling (with heaton aerial arrays, also invented) towards the customers, where a Rossi-supplied virtual heaton collector (another invention) will turn the virtual heatons back into real heat.
THH
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Yes there was a dummy charge in one. You can read the excerpt from the trial dispositions here:
Abd did a great job on this. Plus it points right to the source. So, I predict A.A. will refuse to read it!
It was run by mistake when they miss read the labels 6 and 9.
A 69 error! I forgot that detail. How funny. It does cause confusion, not knowing top from bottom, as it were. Or as they say of Japanese-American couples, not knowing if you are coming or going. (Inside joke. Way inside. Don't ask.)
(Well, okay, I'll let the inimitable Jake Adelstein explain, in a book I highly recommend:)
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From Dewey:
"Fulvs was the one who wired the system that included the "accidental" inclusion of control reactor "9" as loaded reactor "6". Reactor 9 was in
the array with other loaded reactors and they were all showing the same results - there is no measurement error, it was a measurement trick. The entire thing was staged as part of an attempt to prove whether or not the ecat was working. Rossi's reaction upon getting caught was proof of his ruse. A real researcher in a well-funded prototype development start-up would have stayed and helped get to the bottom of the problem. I should add that TD was the one who fueled the
reactors and was the only one who knew that one was empty."
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From Dewey:
"Fulvs was the one who wired the system that included the "accidental" inclusion of control reactor "9" as loaded reactor "6". Reactor 9 was in
the array with other loaded reactors and they were all showing the same results - there is no measurement error, it was a measurement trick. The entire thing was staged as part of an attempt to prove whether or not the ecat was working. Rossi's reaction upon getting caught was proof of his ruse. A real researcher in a well-funded prototype development start-up would have stayed and helped get to the bottom of the problem. I should add that TD was the one who fueled the
reactors and was the only one who knew that one was empty."
Rossi's motivation is not clear in any deception. He had nothing to gain in faking Hot cat results since the hot cat was an IH reactor. The motivation of IH is also unclear. What did they want from this sting? All that this episode did was alienate Rossi toward IH. It is no wonder that Rossi became intent on destroying IH. Rossi saw how corrupt IH was when they extracted $50 million from investors and they beleived that the technology was a fraud.
Furthermore, if IH knew that the tech did not work, why did they sign up to do the Doral test? What did they expect to gain? It all sounds crazy to me.
It is either crazy or somebody is lying
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IH did not agree that the work in Doral was "the test". Rossi presented it as a simply a try to sale heat to a "customer". If you read the docs, they considered the time limit for the "test" was over. In short, they did not "sign" that the work in Doral was a test.
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Rossi's motivation is not clear in any deception. He had nothing to gain in faking Hot cat results since the hot cat was an IH reactor. The motivation of IH is also unclear. What did they want from this sting? All that this episode did was alienate Rossi toward IH. It is no wonder that Rossi became intent on destroying IH. Rossi saw how corrupt IH was when they extracted $50 million from investors and they beleived that the technology was a fraud.
Furthermore, if IH knew that the tech did not work, why did they sign up to do the Doral test? What did they expect to gain? It all sounds crazy to me.
It is either crazy or somebody is lying
There was no IH sting. There is, however, an obvious and constant liar.
The only sting is that upon your conscience since you have wasted so much of your time trying to include Rossi's lies, deceptions and pseudoscience BS into your theories that they no longer have any relevance to the real world, and the sting of trying to start again, with the requirement of removing the wrong information and all of its descendants that you have been tricked into including previously.
Avoiding this, you stack an increasingly unstable hierarchy of nonsense onto nonsense on stilts, trying to save an un-salvageable paradigm.
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There was no IH sting. There is, however, an obvious and constant liar.
The only sting is that upon your conscience since you have wasted so much of your time trying to include Rossi's lies, deceptions and pseudoscience BS into your theories that they no longer have any relevance to the real world, and the sting of trying to start again, with the requirement of removing the wrong information and all of its descendants that you have been tricked into including previously.
Avoiding this, you stack an increasingly unstable hierarchy of nonsense onto nonsense on stilts, trying to save an un-salvageable paradigm.
Regarding: sting of trying to start again
I have restarted awhile ago.
Rossi is not the only show in town anymore. Most of my ideas have been reformed by the inspection of the LION reactor meltdowns and the ECCO reactor. There is SAFIRE and the SunCell to think about also. But what little I know about Rossi's tech is consistent with all that understanding. I do ignore most of what Rossi says which is mostly wrong.
What is hard for me to get a handle on is who is cheating who in the LENR game. It is sad how all these clowns, trolls, and snakes are slowing down any progress in LENR. Trying to figure all this trollage out is a huge waste of time. But sometimes it is fun to watch the mud wrestling and the people who enjoy it.
I feel no sting, I'm happy happy happy.
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Axil:
Rossi's motivation is not clear in any deception. He had nothing to gain in faking Hot cat results since the hot cat was an IH reactor. The motivation of IH is also unclear. What did they want from this sting? All that this episode did was alienate Rossi toward IH. It is no wonder that Rossi became intent on destroying IH. Rossi saw how corrupt IH was when they extracted $50 million from investors and they beleived that the technology was a fraud.
Furthermore, if IH knew that the tech did not work, why did they sign up to do the Doral test? What did they expect to gain? It all sounds crazy to me.
It is either crazy or somebody is lying
Axil:
Rossi is not the only show in town anymore. Most of my ideas have been reformed by the inspection of the LION reactor meltdowns and the ECCO reactor. There is SAFIRE and the SunCell to think about also. But what little I know about Rossi's tech is consistent with all that understanding. I do ignore most of what Rossi says which is mostly wrong.
What is hard for me to get a handle on is who is cheating who in the LENR game. It is sad how all these clowns, trolls, and snakes are slowing down any progress in LENR. Trying to figure all this trollage out is a huge waste of time. But sometimes it is fun to watch the mud wrestling and the people who enjoy it.
I feel no sting, I'm happy happy happy.
Axil: I'm glad that you are happy, and also that you seem to be coming to a more realistic appreciation of the IH/Rossi/Doral events.
Paradigmnoia has explained the key fact: somone is indeed lying and it is Rossi. Once you allow this into your worldview everything else makes sense. Interestingly, the MORE you accept that Rossi lies through his teeth the easier it is to fits facts, so for example a "Rossi lies a bit but still has the goods" explanation does not work. It also helps if you realise that many of the actors in the LENR game are just mistaken, or hopelessly overoptimistic. That is not the same as lying, and they are not the same as Rossi.
To understand IH motivation you have to realise that initially they did not know. They knew from the first that Rossi was a liar, and untrustworthy, but reckoned because of Focardi and those convincing Swedes that nevertheless he very possibly had something. Enough to make a high risk bet on, anyway. There actions were therefore to make Rossi give them access, and then find the something - if he had it. Alas he had nothing, but it took IH quite a while to be sure, a task made more difficult because Rossi gave them apparently working, validated by Swedes, test setups that were in fact all wrong.
At the time of Doral they had not given up completely on the possibility that Rossi's stuff might work, and they naively believed Rossi's claim of an independent customer. From their POV that was therefore just possibly a way to gain evidence separate from dubious lab test protocols. So they had nothing to lose, and a low percentage possibility of gain. It was a big miscalculation but I think understandable, if you put yourself in their shoes.
THH
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somone is indeed lying and it is Rossi. Once you allow this into your worldview everything else makes sense. Interestingly, the MORE you accept that Rossi lies through his teeth the easier it is to fits facts,
Very convenient for you. It allows you to ignore all the evidence against your case Anything contrary you just dismiss as a lie. Not very scientific.
To understand IH motivation you have to realise that initially they did not know. They knew from the first that Rossi was a liar,
How did they know that? As time passes Rossi is being vindicated over PetroDragon.
There actions were therefore to make Rossi give them access, and then find the something
Their actions were simply to try and make money from it. They didn't have the ability to develop it themselves nor manufacturing facilities to make reactors. Their aim was to make deals and sell licenses.
At the time of Doral they had not given up completely on the possibility that Rossi's stuff might work, and they naively believed Rossi's claim of an independent customer.
How many times does it have to be pointed out that Darden was told early on and stated he didn't care if the heat was simply discharged to waste?
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@Adrian Ashfield
QuoteAs time passes Rossi is being vindicated over PetroDragon.
Which part? Cheating investors, dumping toxic waste into irrigation ditches used for farming? Illegal transactions and money laundering? Creating millions of dollar in cleanup cost for an environmental disaster?
Which part was he "vindicated" for, in your view? And where are the links demonstrating how you know about his "vindication?"
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So much ado now about how to protect the e-cat IP.
Remember, several years ago Rossi shipped unattended the “1MW container” with 100 “loaded” reactors over the Atlantic, and had them going through US custom controls.
How comes that at that time he wasn’t concerned that some “man in black” could steal one of the “fueled reactors”? - The answer is simple: There isn’t something valuable to steal.
But the fuss he creates now with the discussion about preventing the e-cat from hacking is another “brilliant move” from Rossi - because it keeps his followers believing that there is a valuable IP associated to the e-cat.
