Rossi-Blog Comment Discussion

Quote from maryyugo

The plan was simply to collect all the steam and condense it ("sparge" it) into an insulated and instrumented water tank to measure its energy content. Voila, problem solved.

Yes. It was intensely annoying to me that Rossi did not do this, or anything else that I and others suggested.

Here is another example of his pointless obstinacy. He did not bother to insert an SD card into an hand-held thermocouple. Lewan had to record the temperatures with a pen and paper. Rossi's refusal to take common sense steps went from absurdity to outright danger, such as the time he was demonstrating to the people from NASA. They said: "It looks like the reactor is plugged up. Nothing is coming out." He refused to check, nearly causing an explosion. Finally, someone pulled out the hose, showed there was nothing coming out, and everyone including Rossi fled the room.

Quote from maryyugo

Running a silly kludge of 50 pieces of junk in a shipping container? Absurd from the start. Why IH ever agreed to that will always be a mystery to me.

I do not think they agreed to it, exactly. Based on the lawsuit documents, I think this test began after many other tests in North Carolina failed. I believe the earlier tests were with a simpler configuration. This was a last ditch effort. I do not think they had much hope for it.

I did not read that portion of the lawsuit testimony carefully, but I believe that's how it went down.

Quote from IH Fanboy

His demonstrations attract bright and able academics. He is scorned and scoffed at. His name is Andrea Rossi. That is all you need to know.

Nope. All you need to know is in the Penon report. The rest is bullshit, including what you just wrote.

This is engineering, not some kind of faith-based religion. (Okay, that's unfair to religion, but I don't know what else to compare your homage to.)

Quote from maryyugo

Oh wait! His obstinacy was hardly pointless. It was an integral part of his scam.

Perhaps, but in the case of the SD card in the thermocouple unit, it seemed pointless. Lewan got the temperature data anyway. It just meant extra work for him having to write down the time and temperature periodically. It was a little extra work for me, too. I found that one of Lewan's numbers was transposed, and I had to set up the graph with variable time segments on the x-axis, which I can never remember how to do.

If Rossi had managed to hide data or produce bogus data by refusing to insert an SD card, you would be right. This would part of his scam. But this particular refusal was just sloppy. It was typical of him. It was annoying, and inconsiderate. But it did not hide anything or confuse the issue.

I agree 100% that many of his other actions did deliberately confuse the issue! I told him so, many times. In this group of people, I was among the first to hear of him, and the first to communicate with him. One of my first message to him was: "If you will not let me measure the temperature and flow rates, I will not visit you. If you don't allow anyone to do this, you will have no credibility." You were not the first to say this.

You quote me selectively and out of context to make it look as if I was an unqualified supporter of Rossi all along, but the first thing I said to him and reported to the public cast doubt on his claims.

Patent that had been previously granted of Italian inventor Francesco Piantelli has now been revoked after opposition from Andrea Rossi’s Leonardo Corporation with argument that "Piantelli's patent does not disclose the invention in a manner sufficiently clear and complete for it to be carried out by a person skilled in the art". As if some of of Rossi patents could be replicated with using of information given... :-\ It will be interesting to see his issued patents can stand up to disclosure requirements.

Ironically prof. Piantelli was undoubtedly first, who did start with nickel-hydrogen fusion in 1992. Rossi just did steal his know-how after borrowing his coworker Focardi. I can understand easily, why so many members of cold fusion community (like Krivit or Rothwell) got so upset with Rossi and his "re-search".

Not to say, that A. Rossi did never show something really convincing for public.

Andrea Rossi has promised multiple-times, that "he will not get engaged in patent wars", as he planed to beat the competition with "*cheap plentiful production from robotized factories*". No robotized plant indeed ever existed and Rossi just wants to get rid of competition in the same way like every 2nd grade patent troll (he has in his own words over 140 patent applications submitted). Which I consider problematic just at the case of Piantelli, as I have multiple reasons to believe, he is actual founder of nickel fusion technology, not Andrea Rossi.

But Andrea Rossi actually agrees with Musk who thinks intellectual property and patents are vital for technology companies. “To give away for free the Intellectual Property of a technology is a mistake that takes away from the real business that technology, because nobody invests seriously in a technology if there is not the right of the ownership of the connected IP,” Rossi wrote finally at his blog. One thing, Rossi seems to forget is that once companies become obsessed with the patents, the focus of the process turns to the legal process not the technology or the business.

Thank you for being here, AA. Your comment about ignoring inconvenient facts was the best laugh I have had in a long time.

So you Rossi zombies have been saying for 6 years. Going real well so far.

Quote from Adrian Ashfield

If IH had all this allegedly damning evidence why did they agree to the settlement?

We had a (real) lawyer on here who, looking at the complexity and technical nature of the evidence, and the fact that each side was calling the other a liar, reckoned with a Jury trial there was quite a probability they would split the difference, and not award IH complete victory. Given the costs and continuing distraction of a Trial he thought IH would be bound to accept a settlement, which it seems Rossi only offered when up close to having his own evidence (which looked close to perjury) cross-examined.

Lest you accuse me of making groundless comments here is a very brief summary of the damning facts, posted here in much more details previously. That heat exchanger, as you'd perhaps know if you bothered to look at the math, posted here, could not work as claimed by Rossi's tame expert. Further said US (non Italian) tame expert gave as reference for the crucial and incorrect part of the work an Italian language website that does not in fact have the crucial coefficient (though it has a whole load of other related coefficients). Highly unprofessional to have your argument resting on a web page in a foreign language which either was never as you claim, or changed. looking at the web page details, it likely was never as claimed. Like much of Rossi's stuff it is superficially good, and when examined closely highly suspicious. But, the full technical argument about this would go way over the head of a Jury, and IH did the correct thing, much as it was a PR disaster. But then, unlike Rossi, PR is not the only, or even main, thing IH care about.

Yes, it is quite instructing to notice that Rossi settled when - IF he had what he said- could have gotten 89M and possibly 2 times that if he did not settle and won.

Instead of trying to read into IH's settlement, why not read into Rossi's settlement and why he destroyed any evidence after the trial and threw computers out the windows into the parking lot.

A countryman happen’d in a hard winter to spy a snake under a hedg, that was half frozen to death. The man was good natur’d, and took it up, and kept it in his bosom, till warmth brought it to life again; and so soon as ever it was in condition to do mischief, it bit the very man that sav’d the life on’t. Ah thou ungrateful wretch! says he, is that venomous ill nature of thine to be satisfi’d with nothing less than the ruine of thy preserver.

Moral:

There are some men like some snakes; ’tis natural to them to be doing mischief; and the greater the benefit on the one side, the more implacable is the malice on the other.

Quote from Adrian Ashfield

Yes, that is exactly what you did. A list of IH talking points. No specifics/references and ignoring Rossi's responses to the statements. As it never went through court there is no proof one way or the other. Doesn't it strike you as strange that ROSSI would take the matter to court knowing that the truth should then come out?

Specific references please?

Easy to accuse me of doing this 6 months ago when everyone has forgotten the strength of the arguments...

Whereas my last post referred to tediously long tech stuff that I've posted, and would post more only I don't think anyone would be interested.