Rossi-Blog Comment Discussion

Quote from Mark U

It seems Rossi's philosophy degree leaned in the direction of philosophy of science, so it would be necessary to know his science.

So it seems we have a guy who as a child grows up with machines in his father's factory, designs and builds machines, patents inventions, starts a company within his father's company, and completes his philosophy degree all by the age of 23. Seems to me a rare combination of proclivities.

From http://andrea-rossi.com

Born in Milan in 1950, the future physicist was familiar with metal carpentry from his childhood, when he was working with Luigi Rossi, his father. That's when he learned to use major carpentry machinery and that's where he got his start as a machine designer and builder, working in his father's machine shop. That is where his first seeds of love for machinery and his first fascination for complex mechanisms were birthed. In school he decided to continue on his path of learning as much as he about particularities of the complex world of science, by enrolling in the philosophy college. He wanted to know the intricacies of physics from mathematical and philosophical point of view. At the age of 23 Andrea Rossi completed his study at the University of Milan, having written and defended the thesis on the topic of Albert Einstein's Theory of Relativity and how it relates to the Phenomenology of Husserl.

In his youth he has already designed and built quite a few successful machines, acquiring patents for his inventions. At the age of 22 he founded a company titled Dragon in the field of energy, which was actually a division of "La Metallotecnica," his family's factory. Dragon provided the outlet for his patented inventions. He continues his research in the field of energy and waste, and in 1978 he published a book titled "The Incineration of Waste and Rivers Depuration," which was even used as complimentary textbook in the class of Chemical Plants at Milan's Polytechnic University.

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First, ignore my "like." I hit the button by mistake and the system won't let me undo. As to Rossi's expertise in metal working and carpentry, this explains how he managed to construct the Doral heat exchanger and then remove all by his lonesome, without any help from anyone, at least anyone identifiable. As to his patented inventions, so what. It is not that difficult to get a patent. But getting a patent on something that actually is useful, productive, does what it is supposed to do and is marketable is a completely different matter. And as has been discussed and established ad nauseum, his patent for the alleged "universe shattering free energy" widget is nothing of the sort. As for what he had accomplished by age 23, again so what. I have good friends, one whom got his PhD in computer science from UCLA at 19, another who got his BS in Chemistry at UCLA in two years and then hung around another year to get his Masters, all before going to law school, and one of my best friends got his BS in Organic Chemistry at University of Washington (state), his PhD in Inorganic Chemistry at Stanford and his law degree at Stanford, all before he was 25. My point is that there are a lot of well-educated smart people out there, and most of them didn't go on to get a bogus degree from a diploma mill and then list that on their CV. Rossi did exactly that and that is all I need to know or understand about his academic prowess.

Also, would someone please point to an article that can explain, in layman's terms, exactly what zero point energy is, or supposed to be. My only frame of reference for it is what I gleaned from Star Gate Atlantis, and unlike some of my fellow Americans, I know that what is portrayed on that show is FICTION.

Zero-point energy is very much a real thing. You can find voluminous amounts of information about it and its relationship to various aspects of modern physics if you care to delve into the subject. However, physicists overwhelmingly reject any possibility that the zero-point energy field can be exploited to obtain useful energy. This makes it a favorite target for pseudoscientific claims and, in some cases, it is the what the best-dressed fraudster is wearing these days. Of course, the valiant members of the every-free-energy-claim-ever-made-is-legitimate society will tell you otherwise.

Quote from Cydonia

Guys,

you should use this device it's less tiring.

IDK about zero point energy, but getting shrunken hydrogen linked inside a metal atom seems quite possible. That is electromagnetic energy mined inside the "O" shaped well of an atom.

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My point is that there are a lot of well-educated smart people out there, and most of them didn't go on to get a bogus degree from a diploma mill and then list that on their CV. Rossi did exactly that and that is all I need to know or understand about his academic prowess.

Just looked, and see that Rossi got his chemical engineering degree at Kensington University : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kensington_University

Looks like Rossi's degree would still be valid, and, it's not like he didn't have to work to get it.

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The school was founded in 1976 by Alfred Calabro in Glendale, California, as a "no fat, no bull" correspondence school to meet the needs of working adults.^[1] The university was housed in a Glendale office that also contained Calabro's law practice. Kensington awarded bachelor's, master's and doctoral degrees in a wide range of fields.^[2] The Hawaii branch was started in 1996.^[3]

As of 1976, Kensington was an "authorized" independent postsecondary institution in the state of California.^[4] After the California Council for Private Postsecondary and Vocational Education was created in 1989 to regulate higher education institutions in the state, Kensington was required to obtain Council approval. In 1994, the Council's first review of the institution found deficiencies.^[1][2] Following a protracted legal battle, Kensington University was ordered shut down by California authorities in 1996.^[2] The California Council for Private Postsecondary and Vocational Education said that "little or no rigor or credible academic standards are necessary in order to be awarded an advanced degree at Kensington University."^[2] No new degrees could be awarded, but prior degrees from the school would remain valid. The school was then re-opened by Anthony Calabro in September 1996^[5] at Oʻahu, Hawaiʻi,^[6] where it was later closed by court order in 2003.^[3][7][8]

Notable alumni[edit]

In 1996, Kensington reported having graduated 7,000 students in the previous two decades.^[9]

One of the notable people who received degrees from Kensington University is Jennifer Carroll, who served as Florida lieutenant governor and as a member of the Florida House of Representatives. She received an MBA degree from Kensington in 1995, but removed it from her personal biography in 2004 after a CBS News investigation informed her of concerns about the school's legitimacy. The news reports also led Carroll to resign from the National Commission on Presidential Scholars.^[8][10] René Drouin, who sat on an advisory committee at the U.S. Department of Education, also was identified by CBS News as a Kensington degree holder.^[8] Both Carroll and Drouin told reporters that they had worked hard in their Kensington degree programs and thought the academic programs were legitimate.^[8][10]

Martin S. Roden, an engineering professor at California State University at Los Angeles, obtained a doctorate from Kensington in 1982, by which time he already held a full professorship at Cal State.^[1][11] In 1996, he said Kensington was "not a fraud, but certainly no one going there would be compared to someone with a UCLA degree."^[1] He later told the Chronicle of Higher Education that he had the degree to avoid having to correct students who mistakenly addressed him as "Doctor".^[11]

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Boy Mark, you sure don’t let facts get in the way of your Rossi love.

Did you even read the Wikipedia article about Kensington University? How about the Texas penal code regarding it?

“According to Texas Penal Code, it is a misdemeanor to use a degree from Kensington University in a written or oral advertisement or other promotion of a business; or with the intent to: obtain employment; obtain a license or certificate to practice a trade, profession, or occupation; obtain a promotion, a compensation or other benefit, or an increase in compensation or other benefit, in employment or in the practice of a trade, profession, or occupation; obtain admission to an educational program in this state; or gain a position in government with authority over another person, regardless of whether the actor receives compensation for the position.

A person who is found guilty of this misdemeanor shall be punished by a fine not to exceed $2,000, up to 180 days in jail, or both.”

From this you conclude that Rossi’s degree is valid? Wow!

Of course I read the article. I quoted much of it as well. Where are the other states besides Texas that make it a misdemeanour to use a degree from Kensington? If I were to guess, someone in the Texas legislative branch had it out for Kensington University, making Texas an outlier.

Quote from interested observer

From this you conclude that Rossi’s degree is valid? Wow!

No, I conclude from the Wiki article - which I read - that Rossi's degree is still valid. To quote Wiki again,

"No new degrees could be awarded, but prior degrees from the school would remain valid."

I keep forgetting that you’re the guy who said that there isn’t anything that could be in the depositions of the Rossi lawsuit that would change your opinion of him. That’s really all one needs to know to understand you.

It’s valid in Rossi’s planet where his accomplices love a degree bought from a diploma mill.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/t…icials-hold-fake-degrees/

https://www.latimes.com/archiv…04-23-me-61657-story.html

Quote from Mark U

Just looked, and see that Rossi got his chemical engineering degree at Kensington University : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kensington_University

Looks like Rossi's degree would still be valid, and, it's not like he didn't have to work to get it.

Mark U - you are (a) credulous and (b) have a short memory

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kensington_University

Kensington University was an unaccredited distance education institution that was based at different times in Hawaii and California. Kensington University was eventually shut down by state authorities in both states.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/r…ropouts-routinely-reveal/

http://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/for…rees-have-value-1.1236175

Quote from interested observer

I keep forgetting that you’re the guy who said that there isn’t anything that could be in the depositions of the Rossi lawsuit that would change your opinion of him. That’s really all one needs to know to understand you.

IO,

You simply cannot argue faith with the faithful.

Logic and reason play no part in their analysis, they simply believe and there’s is nothing you or anyone else can do or say to dissuade their belief, nothing.

It is impossible for them to even consider that they have been hoodwinked,

not the faithful, they’re just too smart.

I guess a Rossi infection is way more serious than CoV-19. It seems to last many years without any chance to get rid of it. It's seems to severely affect the brain and forces people to make endless writing attempts.

May be Mills is a sort of therapy or a Papptest. But still no vaccination on the horizon. Also no standard infection test is ready. May be we have to look for a new worm...

I consider that I am wrong and the

skeptics are right.

Most of the skeptics will never consider they are wrong and

the believers are right.

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Mark U - you are (a) credulous and (b) have a short memory

How about providing a fuller, fairer context. From Wiki:

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As of 1976, Kensington was an "authorized" independent postsecondary institution in the state of California.^[4] After the California Council for Private Postsecondary and Vocational Education was created in 1989 to regulate higher education institutions in the state, Kensington was required to obtain Council approval. In 1994, the Council's first review of the institution found deficiencies.^[1][2] Following a protracted legal battle, Kensington University was ordered shut down by California authorities in 1996.^[2]

So it was a permitted postsecondary institution for almost twenty years, until regulations were introduced which found the University lacking in some standards.

It's not like one could buy a degree without also earning it, as some people here seem to be insinuating.

Quote from sam12

I consider that I am wrong and the

skeptics are right.

Most of the skeptics will never consider they are wrong and

the believers are right.

Skeptics base their views on logic and the available facts. What do you base your views on?

Quote from Roseland67

IO,

You simply cannot argue faith with the faithful.

Logic and reason play no part in their analysis, they simply believe and there’s is nothing you or anyone else can do or say to dissuade their belief, nothing.

It is impossible for them to even consider that they have been hoodwinked,

not the faithful, they’re just too smart.

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You say this, and I get the odd feeling you're referring to me. Yet I've said straight out before that, objectively speaking, it is unlikely that Rossi has indeed created the impossible invention especially when other bright lights have fallen short. But subjectively I like the guy - although I've never met him in person - and I actually enjoy giving him the benefit of the doubt. Only a few seemingly outrageous claims get to this status with me, so I'm not exactly a mark. Although, I am.

MarkU: at least you are honest in admitting that you have no good reason to believe Rossi’s nonsense. The rest of us should therefore realize that there is no point in arguing with you about your deliberate blind faith