Rossi builds castles in the sky and his believers think they are going to live in them, and they will be heated and powered by ecats -- to paraphrase a bit from the classical :
QuoteNeurotics Build Castles In The Sky, Psychotics Live In Them, And Psychiatrists Collect The Rent.
7) Supporters gradually retreat to relative silence
I'm an ol' ecatnews connoisseur, and I must say, there were hordes of Rossi haters there who have since apparently retreated into relative silence.
f it had a tungsten sheath you couldn't see the light. Anyway, tungsten has oxidation problems of its own.
That is why I thought it was a window in it. You said it was just a shield so my guess was wrong.
Obviously the actual shell of the reactor must be an insulator. Whatever Rossi is doing sounds like it is at the limit of known technology. I wonder what "completely new" material he has come up with. Much as I would like to know I doubt this sort of detail will be revealed at the demo.
IHF: "Rossi haters there who have since apparently retreated into relative silence."
True that. I suppose they are the sensible ones who have turned their attention to things that actually matter.
I'm an ol' ecatnews connoisseur, and I must say, there were hordes of Rossi haters there who have since apparently retreated into relative silence.
fanboy,
Not even you believe that.
Anyone who tries to post anything detrimental to Rossi/Ecat is censored.
If I have something critical to post, It must be here, because it will not be tolerated
on Ecat News.
There is a problem with Boron Nitride. From the spec sheet:- BN is stable in inert and reducing atmospheres up to 2000°C, and in oxidizing atmospheres to 850°C. Observers suggest that the outer surface of the Quark-X tube is exposed. No oxidation protection.
The oxidation behavior of three types of boron nitrides--hot pressed, high
density CVD and low density CVD--has been examined. The hot pressed
material has randomly oriented grains and exhibits a clear orientation
dependence, with the faces normal to the c axis oxidizing slowest. Two regions
of linear kinetics are observed. The high density CVD BN is a dense material
with a high degree of crystallinity and orientation along the c axis normal to the
plate face. It oxidizes slowly, according to a parabolic rate law. The ~20 ppm of
water vapor present in the gas stream created volatile HxByOz(g) species
simultaneous with the oxidation process and led to paralinear behavior. Lower
density CVD BN showed rapid linear growth rates--very likely due to the lower
crystallinity and lower density of this material.
A tantalum exterior container will protect the boron nitride from surface oxidationtantalum is a material commonly used for heat exchange is a corrosive environment.
The Melting points of BN and tantalum are well matched
| Melting point | 3290 K (3017 °C, 5463 °F) |
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Argon can be used as an inert interface layer between the BN and the tantalum.
"Observers suggest that the outer surface of the Quark-X tube is exposed. No oxidation protection."
The unshielded Quark-X tube could be used as a research only configuration.
Roseland67: IH and I are talking about ecatnews, not e-catworld. The former is a defunct website that started out as one of at least 17 sites fawning over Rossi in 2011 that strongly discouraged any negativity. Eventually, the proprietor of that site saw the light with respect to Rossi and it became a place for skeptics to ridicule Rossi believers and only the most rabid ones still spent time there tilting at windmills. Eventually, the proprietor was too disgusted by the time and energy wasted on this ridiculous subject and shut the site down. E-catworld also started as one of the 17 sites fawning over Rossi and has never changed its tune.
Display MoreFor historical reasons, it is too bad that ecatnews has vanished into internet oblivion. Otherwise, one could page through memory lane and see about 6 completed cycles of Rossi Big Event history. The pattern is well-established.
1) Rossi announces an upcoming pivotal event
2) Rossi supporters become very excited and conveniently forget everything that happened in the past. They proclaim that skeptics will soon be eating crow by the bucketful.
3) Supporters and skeptics argue vociferously for weeks on end before the "event"
4) The event happens and it is sort of what was anticipated but not quite
5) Supporters are ecstatic declaring the dawn of a new age
6) Skeptics and non-combatants alike point out glaring problems with "the event" until it is clearly revealed as meaningless
7) Supporters gradually retreat to relative silence
Rinse and repeat
Of course, the most pious never really get to step 7 and still consider all the previous sham events as meaningful. This is not likely to change.
There is a dozen different methods to use LENR for a commercial product. Over the years Rossi has been jumping from one method to the next to find the ideal solution to the LENR reactor configuration. Each solution that Rossi has come up with has had its own unique issues that worked against its application to a commercial product. In each case, Rossi had to develop the produce fairly much to the end to check for it usability in the marketplace.
Now Rossi believes that he has the right configuration for a commercial product. In other works Rossi has to develop a half dozen products and check each for its efficacy in the marketplace. Now Rossi believes that this Quark solution will make the perfect LENR reactor product.
This product development cycle illustrates the difficulty in producing a product from an unknown and new physical principle for the market. Such development is very difficult. Other LENR product developers should take a clue from Rossi's product development experience and use the Quark configuration for there product concepts.
behavior of three types of boron nitride
When I was reading up on boron nitride I was amused to see it was a common ingredient in ladies makeup & even toothpaste. Never knew that before.
Tantalum might do well for a sheath with a melting point of 13017 C. but is fairly rare & expensive.
Eric, your comments on the long-term educational effect are correct. In fact, what distinguishes one cycle from the next is the number of supporters and, in related fashion, the number of the most pious. Clearly, the former has been dropping steadily over the years. Whether the latter is a stable number or is somewhere on an asymptotic curve remains to be seen. I do believe that there is a core group that will take faith in the e-cat to their graves regardless of real-world events.
Remember the product development cycle that T. Edison had to go through to design the incandescent light bulb. 10,000 trial and error experiments befor Edison found the proper light bulb configuration. Then additional development by tesla and others in competition until a usable product evolved.
The core group understands how product development goes and has the patience and the knowledge to understand the trials and tribulations of the product development process.
I know. That is why I suggested it had a (tungsten?) sheath to keep the air away. Possibly it was sapphire to start with and that was what failed. The bottom line is I don't know what the material is. There are not many options for 2700 C.
Tungsten oxidizes in air so much so that it is not usable in heat exchanger high temperature applications.
Axil: “There is a dozen different methods to use LENR for a commercial product. Over the years Rossi has been jumping from one method to the next to find the ideal solution to the LENR reactor configuration. Each solution that Rossi has come up with has had its own unique issues that worked against its application to a commercial product. In each case, Rossi had to develop the produce fairly much to the end to check for it usability in the marketplace.”
You would have to cover half the state of Montana to find that much bullshit again.
Display MoreI had to constrain my estimate somehow. The plasma has to be able to fit in a thin tube, probably built by hand. The electrode gap is adjustable by means of a large lever, which should imply a limit to the internal pressures/vacuums feasible. No neutrons, etc. seem to be coming out of the tube.
My general impression was that simply using the Stefan-Boltzmann equation for a plasma, which is considered to be a blackbody in this case, within a thin transparent tube, is quite easily subject to errors that can easily span orders of magnitude compared to a solid that is a blackbody of the same dimensions.
If anyone wants to work out the plasma density/pressure/temperature/frequency required to make a blackbody in the space allotted by the Quark design, please have a go at it.
The light generated by the quark is not blackbody.
New research into polariton condensates has revealed a side emission channel that produces light whose frequency is proportional to the density of the polariton aggregation...the dense polariton condinsate produces a higher frequency light (blue) and a less dense condinsate will produce red light. Rossi must have a way to control the density of the polariton population.
The color of the light generated by the condinsate is controled by the level of "pumping" that determings the density of the condinsate.
See
https://phys.org/news/2016-06-…einstein-condensates.html
They tackled this problem by highly exciting exciton-polaritons, which are particle-like excitations in a semiconductor systems and formed by strong coupling between electron-hole pairs and photons. They observed high-energy side-peak emission that cannot be explained by two mechanisms known to date: Bose-Einstein condensation of exciton-polaritons, nor conventional semiconductor lasing driven by the optical gain from unbound electron hole plasma.
The details on this side channel are here
https://www.nature.com/articles/srep25655
Axil: “There is a dozen different methods to use LENR for a commercial product. Over the years Rossi has been jumping from one method to the next to find the ideal solution to the LENR reactor configuration. Each solution that Rossi has come up with has had its own unique issues that worked against its application to a commercial product. In each case, Rossi had to develop the produce fairly much to the end to check for it usability in the marketplace.”
You would have to cover half the state of Montana to find that much bullshit again.
I can understand Rossi's demeanor during the product development process. Each time with each product he though he has the perfect solution and acted accordingly only to be disappointed when he found the fatal flaw. People who follow Rossi must understand how product development goes and understand that no product is real until it is on the shelves at the store.
HF: "Rossi haters there who have since apparently retreated into relative silence."
True that. I suppose they are the sensible ones who have turned their attention to things that actually matter.
Americans now make up their own facts, so it is no surprise to see contingents saying Rossi has never done anything and one that believes he has.. See https://www.theatlantic.com/ma…ica-lost-its-mind/534231/
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- Andrea Rossi November 11, 2017 at 7:00 AM
JPR:
We reached Sigma 5.
Now preparing for the demo.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Oh yeah, great! big news totally unexpected.
Now the King of Hoax is fully dedicated preparing the scene of the fiction to bambolize the participants.
Rossi has learned from his past mistakes and has instituted a regime of testing to insure his product is reliable.
People who develop products make mistakes and take wrong turns. This does not mean that product developers are con men.
Making up facts is only one side of the coin. The other is ignoring all the facts that are inconvenient. Whereas this is now rather commonplace in this country, Rossi supporters have been pioneers in this area for years.
QuoteIf I have something critical to post, It must be here, because it will not be tolerated
on Ecat News.
You must mean e-catworld.com. There once was a forum called ecatnews.com which was provided by a professional author and artist with the pseudonym "Paul Story". At first (2011, maybe 2012) Paul believed Rossi and censored the forum heavily against anti-Rossi posts even going so far as to ban posters like me altogether. At some point, the overwhelming evidence that Rossi was a con man and that the ecat was a typical free energy con convinced Story and he opened up the forum to both believers and critics though I had to invent a new identity (Al Potanza) because he never bothered to lift the ban on "maryyugo." I forget what prompted it, maybe the lawsuit, but a year or so (or more) ago, Paul decided to no longer exert the effort needed to keep the board open. For a while, it was closed to new posts but stayed up but now it has been entirely deleted.
The internet archive "Way Back Machine" reports:
Saved 169 times between June 27, 2011 and October 22, 2017.
So you can still access the posts. Recent archives are essentially "site not found" or similar. Earlier copies seem to work.
=============== blast from the past!
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Of course, no such submission ever took place and the above was a typical Defkalion outright and blatant lie. It even went so far that a Greek Parliament member CHECKED PERSONALLY with the various testing and licensing agencies and of course, they had no requests or paperwork from Defkalion and in fact, it was reported in Greek newspapers, they had never even heard of the company.
axil ,
Of course it is a blackbody. Rossi said it was a perfect blackbody.
With all due respect, Rossi is wrong. Blackbody radiation is not adjustable.
