Rossi-Blog Comment Discussion

    • Andrea Rossi December 29, 2018 at 3:44 PM

      Sal Schauwecker:

      Yes, it has.

      Happy New Year likewise to you!

      Warm Regards,

      A.R.

    • Sal Schauwecker December 29, 2018 at 2:32 PM

      Dear Dr Andrea Rossi:

      Has the Indetermination Principle something to do with the theory you are studying upon with your Theoretical Team?

      (Answer: ” I cannot answer in positive or in negative”, I know it already)

      Happy New Year

      Sal


    Dear Dott. Rossi:

    1. Has the growing amount of fish in my fish tanks and the green color of my subsea plants to do with the theory of "Indetermination Principle"?

    2. Is there any form of electromagnetic field and frequency demands corresponding to it? e.g the color of light -> frequency of the EM-field?

    3. Does my fish and fish tanks are affected to the behavoiur and the nature of the nucleus?

    4. Is there Quantum mechanics involved the natue of the Rossi Effect?

    5. Have you invented new high tech materials to solve your problems?

    6. Have you also invented new electronic devices to get across the controller problem, seen in the convincing demo at the IVA in Stockholm?


    Answer:

    1. Yes!

    2. Yes!

    3. Under NDA!

    4. Under examination!

    5. A lot!

    6. Of course! You will (NOT) see them on the live stream 31th of January!

    Let me add, that my army of patent lawyers is busy writing the patent documents for this right now under my advice, when I return fron the tennis court.


    This silly Q&A game on JoNP is so redicoulus!

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    Andrea Rossi

    November 15, 2018 at 1:04 AM


    Brokeeper: Thank you for your concern, but this work IS my life. Anyway, we arrived to a point that does make no more necessary to get this kind of risks. The SK is a magnificence.



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    Andrea Rossi


    October 20th, 2014 at 10:21 PM

    Frank Acland:

    I dedicate all my time to my 1MW baby and the connected R&D. I honestly am very positive: it is a magnificence...


    Ain't they all?!

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    Adds a little more to the Rossi mystic. It seems almost everyone from his early UOB days, still believe in him. Levi, the Swedes, Celani, Abundo, Vassallo, Hydrofusion, you, Alan and who knows how many more. I know trickery can buy him time, but this much time?


    Trickery buys lots of time. Madoff got at least 15 years of scamming vastly more than Rossi-- around $64 BILLION dollars before he was stopped. It could be more money and years because it may be hard to determine when he started to cheat. It could be 20 or 25 years.


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernard_Madoff


    And how do you know all the people you listed still "believe" in Rossi?

  • Trickery buys lots of time. Madoff got at least 15 years of scamming vastly more than Rossi-- around $64 BILLION dollars before he was stopped. It could be more money and years because it may be hard to determine when he started to cheat. It could be 20 or 25 years.


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernard_Madoff


    And how do you know all the people you listed still "believe" in Rossi?


    The day Madoff gets out of jail (yes, I know he won't), starts another investment scam, and again convinces savvy investors to join him, is the day I will start comparing him to Rossi. Because that is exactly what we have with Rossi. He got caught red handed at Doral, started anew, and appears to have at least one new customer.


    Unless he is making this all up like Doral? Which I doubt, because he went through all the trouble at Doral, thinking there would be an $89 million pot of gold at the end. Here, at best he has sold some heat. No overunity, and he loses money on the deal.


    And I do not know if all the names I mentioned still believe in him. The court papers showed some still stood by him before the lawsuit was settled. He named Vassallo on JONP 1 month ago as "conferencing" with him, and while Rossi is dishonest, he does not usually name drop.

  • Neither Madoff nor Rossi "convinced savvy investors." Madoff's success was due to misplaced trust, credulousness, greed, and lack of "due diligence." I suppose it depends on how you define a "savvy" investor.


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    In 1999, financial analyst Harry Markopolos had informed the SEC that he believed it was legally and mathematically impossible to achieve the gains Madoff claimed to deliver. According to Markopolos, it took him four minutes to conclude that Madoff's numbers did not add up, and another minute to suspect they were likely fraudulent.[75]


    After four hours of failed attempts to replicate Madoff's numbers, Markopolos believed he had mathematically proved Madoff was a fraud.[76] He was ignored by the SEC's Boston office in 2000 and 2001, as well as by Meaghan Cheung at the SEC's New York office in 2005 and 2007 when he presented further evidence. He has since co-authored a book with Gaytri Kachroo (the leader of his legal team) titled No One Would Listen. The book details the frustrating efforts he and his legal team made over a ten-year period to alert the government, the industry, and the press about Madoff's fraud.[75]


    Investors and financial entities Madoff did not fool:

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    Although Madoff's wealth management business ultimately grew into a multibillion-dollar operation, none of the major derivatives firms traded with him because they did not believe his numbers were real. None of the major Wall Street firms invested with him, and several high-ranking executives at those firms suspected his operations and claims were not legitimate.[76] Others contended it was inconceivable that the growing volume of Madoff's accounts could be competently and legitimately serviced by his documented accounting/auditing firm, a three-person firm with only one active accountant.[77]

    (from the Wikipedia entry)


    As for a new Rossi customer, who says it's true other than Rossi on his lie-filled blog? Of course, it could be true. There is no lack of foolish people with money in this world and Rossi only needs to find one (one at a time).

  • How can you be a foolish customer if

    you are purchasing heat for 20 percent less?

    No "customer" who buys heat in megawatt-hour quantities would think of buying it from Rossi. That would be insane. Even if the heat is real (which I do not believe) it would be coming from a nuclear reaction unknown to science, from a machine that has never been tested for safety or certified by anyone. Once that fact because known to the general public, the company that is buying the heat will be overrun with police, regulators, and lawyers from a hundred miles around filing lawsuits for endangering the public. The company's reputation would be shredded. It would be enough to bankrupt any company, no matter how big.


    There is not the slightest chance this story is true. Even if the machine exists, no one would be crazy enough to buy the heat, or allow the machine within 50 miles of any city or town.

  • The day Madoff gets out of jail (yes, I know he won't), starts another investment scam, and again convinces savvy investors to join him, is the day I will start comparing him to Rossi. Because that is exactly what we have with Rossi. He got caught red handed at Doral, started anew, and appears to have at least one new customer.


    Unless he is making this all up like Doral? Which I doubt, because he went through all the trouble at Doral, thinking there would be an $89 million pot of gold at the end. Here, at best he has sold some heat. No overunity, and he loses money on the deal.


    And I do not know if all the names I mentioned still believe in him. The court papers showed some still stood by him before the lawsuit was settled. He named Vassallo on JONP 1 month ago as "conferencing" with him, and while Rossi is dishonest, he does not usually name drop.


    Not quite the same - because Rossi's gaol days relate to a completely different matter, and it is not on IH's (or anyone else's) interests to gain publicity by pushing for even a civil - let alone criminal - conviction for fraud.


    One thing it is easy to forget is that he is now, after the IH $10M, rich. He can self-fund, engage with potential partners on an "I pay it all to start with" basis. That allows him to maintain the illusion regardless of whether he is getting real funding from anyone.


    I'd bet, though, that he can find some more marks customers. It is easy to dismiss skeptical internet babblers, and point to crowds of unskeptical internet fans!


    THH

  • No "customer" who buys heat in megawatt-hour quantities would think of buying it from Rossi. That would be insane. Even if the heat is real (which I do not believe) it would be coming from a nuclear reaction unknown to science, from a machine that has never been tested for safety or certified by anyone. Once that fact because known to the general public, the company that is buying the heat will be overrun with police, regulators, and lawyers from a hundred miles around filing lawsuits for endangering the public. The company's reputation would be shredded. It would be enough to bankrupt any company, no matter how big.


    There is not the slightest chance this story is true. Even if the machine exists, no one would be crazy enough to buy the heat, or allow the machine within 50 miles of any city or town.


    With Rossi the devil lies in the detail. Not the slightest chance? Sure if you interpret this literally. But what if Rossi tells the customer this is just an experimental run, set up as a research experiment, funded entirely by Rossi, with licenses for commercial use to follow if all is good?


    Rossi has always had a bad sense of time, confusing past, present, future and subjunctive!

  • No "customer" who buys heat in megawatt-hour quantities would think of buying it from Rossi. That would be insane. Even if the heat is real (which I do not believe) it would be coming from a nuclear reaction unknown to science, from a machine that has never been tested for safety or certified by anyone. Once that fact because known to the general public, the company that is buying the heat will be overrun with police, regulators, and lawyers from a hundred miles around filing lawsuits for endangering the public. The company's reputation would be shredded. It would be enough to bankrupt any company, no matter how big.


    There is not the slightest chance this story is true. Even if the machine exists, no one would be crazy enough to buy the heat, or allow the machine within 50 miles of any city or town.

    Jed


    Would the US. military be interested

    in the ECat assuming it works?

  • Jed


    Would the US. military be interested

    in the ECat assuming it works?

    IMHO If Rossi has applied for US patents with disclosures that actually would allow for "reduction to practice", they would already be trying to make one and the patents would be put under a security order. Rossi would then not be able to demonstrate it in public nor sell the technology. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invention_Secrecy_Act

    https://www.uspto.gov/web/offices/pac/mpep/s120.html#d0e3221


    FYI, You will be awaiting a blue slip from art group 3640 or 3660 for a long long time. Good luck.


    Oh yes, if you end up there, everything must be done by mail..... nothing electronic. It slows things way down.

  • Strange that Rossi is not already captured by North Korean agent as they seems to love doing, or bought by wealthi intelligence Agency, poisoned by Special Bureau, or seduced by a foreign beauty.

    Sure he has good bodyguards.

  • No "customer" who buys heat in megawatt-hour quantities would think of buying it from Rossi. That would be insane

    But he has a customer who wants 40 MW. LOL.

    . Even if the heat is real (which I do not believe) it would be coming from a nuclear reaction unknown to science, from a machine that has never been tested for safety or certified by anyone.

    How many times are you going to repeat your unsubstantiated opinion? I don't find your crystal ball any more reliable than your repeated lies about what I think.


    Which government agency do you think would be qualified to test the SK for safety without starting from scratch? You don't think Rossi has already tested it for a year?


    t is obvious you would do anything you can to stop Rossi. How many government agencies have you contacted in order to save the world from this diabolical invention that doesn't exist?

    Why not wait a month for some hard evidence?

  • I see the babblers are back in force again.

    One thing it is easy to forget is that he is now, after the IH $10M, rich. He can self-fund, engage with potential partners on an "I pay it all to start with" basis. That allows him to maintain the illusion regardless of whether he is getting real funding from anyone.

    Rossi's customers will only pay for heat received. How do you suppose Rossi makes money fr0m your proppoposed scam and why would he spend $10 million to do it?

    I know you can't answer that , so you won't.

  • With Rossi the devil lies in the detail. Not the slightest chance? Sure if you interpret this literally. But what if Rossi tells the customer this is just an experimental run, set up as a research experiment, funded entirely by Rossi, with licenses for commercial use to follow if all is good?


    Any industrial company in the U.S. or Japan large enough to purchase megawatt-hour quantities of heat would instantly refuse such an offer, for the reasons I spelled out above. Even if Rossi gave away the heat for free they would have nothing to do with it. I have worked for such companies, and worked with them. They take no unnessary risks. They are very careful to follow regulations and safety standards, because in our litigious era they may end up paying millions or billions of they fail to do this. To take a risk like this just to save 20% on the cost of heat would be insane. Any manager who suggested such a think would be fired in a week. It is simply unthinkable.


    Large corporations have engineers who understand the laws of physics, and who understand that if such a machine exists, it must be revolutionary, unproved, untested, and therefore potentially dangerous.


    Frankly, when IH countenanced such a test, I was shocked. I think no one should ever test a cold fusion device at power levels above 100 W. 10 W is better.

  • How many times are you going to repeat your unsubstantiated opinion? I don't find your crystal ball any more reliable than your repeated lies about what I think.


    This is not my opinion. This is what experts & regulators in every government agency in the U.S. and Japan will tell you. I have read government regulations, and spoken with regulators. I knew them well, and I know how they go about their work. My father was one of them. You know nothing about this subject. You have obviously read nothing, so I suggest you refrain from offering opinions or comments. You have also refused to read Rossi's own report on his 1 MW test in Doral Florida, and you refuse to read his testimony, so you know nothing about what he himself said about that reactor either, and you have no business discussing it. You also refuse to read what the IH experts said, but in any case, Rossi's own report is damning.


    Since you deliberately avoid reading technical documents and laws, you are willfully ignorant. You invent all of your assertions based only on your own imagination. You should recuse yourself from this conversation.

  • Which government agency do you think would be qualified to test the SK for safety without starting from scratch? You don't think Rossi has already tested it for a year?


    If government agencies are not qualified, they will have to learn how do do it. Do you seriously believe they will let Rossi sell this machine based only his own tests? With no independent verification? Do you think Uncle Sam would let Boeing fly passengers in an untested airplane, based only on Boeing's in-house testing?


    No wait, don't answer that! Of course you believe that stuff. You live in cloud cuckoo land where anything is possible.


    There has never been a time in Europe, the U.S. or Japan when the world worked the way you imagine, and anyone could endanger the public with untested technology. German beer brewers have been regulated by purity laws since 1516. In Colonial America, building construction was strictly regulated. Hotels were more regulated than they are today, with the size of the rooms, beds, and meals strictly controlled. In the 1920s and 30s when my grandfather invented medical equipment, he had to deal with regulations and regulators.

  • Do you seriously believe they will let Rossi sell this machine based only his own tests? With no independent verification? Do you think Uncle Sam would let Boeing fly passengers in an untested airplane, based only on Boeing's in-house testing?


    No wait, don't answer that! Of course you believe that stuff. You live in cloud cuckoo land where anything is possible.


    There has never been a time in Europe, the U.S. or Japan when the world worked the way you imagine, and anyone could endanger the public with untested technology. German beer brewers have been regulated by purity laws since 1516.

    Please help me understand what Rossi's heating machine (if it exists) has to do with airplanes.


    And Germany (which in no way existed at that time. I think you mean Bavaria.) introduced its purity laws because beer brewing was unregulated before. And humankind is brewing beer since we are hunters and gatherers. So the regulated era of beer brewing is waaaaaay shorter than the unregulated one ;)

  • Although a stretch, the only way I can see this Rossi customer scenario happening, is if it is the military. They could circumvent some of the required certifications, and avoid regulations if they wanted to, but they would only do that in an R/D capacity, under strict guidelines. Certainly they would not allow it to be used in any normal operation to heat a building with servicemen within, without the regular approvals any consumer product must have. Or let Rossi control the heat output from Miami...LOLs.


    No, I do not see how this can happen the way Rossi describes it. Military, or civilian...it just can not work. If he has a customer, it has to be like Doral, where he is his own customer. But there is always that lingering question of why he would go through all this trouble, and expense, if he can not somehow make some money from it? Why, why, why...

  • Rossi may very well be his own client. However, I think there is a possibility that he may have a small and private client (not a large business or corporation) that could have an open minded owner that is allowing him to provide space heating. It's also possible that this client could be providing him some laboratory space for experiments with turbines. Regardless of the possibilities, the burden of proof is on Rossi. After what he did at Doral, misleading everyone, he should expect no one to believe him.


    However, the situation is different now than during the Doral fiasco. He has been exposed as a highly manipulative individual that will twist the truth to serve his purposes. I don't think any large, reputable company with millions of dollars to invest would make any kind of deal with him unless they were allowed to replicate AHEAD of time under NDA to prove the technology works. He would never share his IP, so I think he is on a limited budget (no more big bucks coming in) and will have to make small, puny deals. I don't think he would be continuing on unless the QX worked. If I were not well researched into the history of these kind of devices, I would be very skeptical. But when you look at the work of Chernetsky, Shoulders, Correa, Tesla, Moray, and a list of others who build devices utilizing the same non-equilibrium conditions, the QX becomes very plausible. When you then realize he is likely using BLPs catalysts, then it becomes likely he is producing excess energy.

  • But what would prevent a company to rent a room to Rossi and send water to this room and get water from this room?

    And pay money to him?


    Dozens of police cars and FBI agents would prevent this, as soon as they found out about it. If it actually works, it is a NUCLEAR REACTOR that works on TOTALLY UNKNOWN PRINCIPLES. No sane person in authority would allow such a machine to be operated within 50 miles of an inhabited area. The DoE or some other agency would first spend months testing it in a place where if something goes wrong, only a few people would be irradiated, or blown to smithereens.


    A small, table-top version is probably much safer. Only a few cold fusion devices have gone out of control and exploded. However, given the scale of these devices, the output of the reaction, and the scale of the explosions, it is not difficult to extrapolate the possible damage from a megawatt device. No one knows if it would produce penetrating radiation, although there is some evidence that one of Rossi's devices did. However, assuming the explosion scales up, it would destroy several city blocks, at least. In a populated area it would kill hundreds of people.


    After many experts agree the device is fully under control and there is no danger of explosions, and after prototypes have undergone thousands of hours of testing, then it can be installed in populated areas. Rossi alone is not capable of doing such tests, and he is not authorized either. You don't want people like him deciding to put an untested nuclear reactor next door to your office.

  • Although a stretch, the only way I can see this Rossi customer scenario happening, is if it is the military

    I am not sure the military could do that. If it is considered a nuclear system (transmutations?) then it would require the DOE/NNSA. They are in charge of all nuclear testing (not DOD like many think).