Rossi-Blog Comment Discussion

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Recall that Rossi claimed that the Ni was transmuted into Cu. (at one time even claiming 30% was transmuted. That is the nucleus changed- by definition that is nuclear. So Rossi himself has claimed it is nuclear. In short, Rossi says it is nuclear. Do you believe him or did he lie about the Cu?

I beleive that the LENR process is a complex reaction that is comprised of multiple sub-reaction-mechanisms one being transmutation. Transmutation can exist on its own such as occurs in microbes. There is no high energy components that accompany this process...if there were, then the microbes would not survive. Also there are energy generation sub-processes that do not involve transmutation. As Rossi developed his system, he changed the way he did things and the LENR reaction reflected these changes. It is possible that an initial LENR reaction formed CU as a transmutation product, but then a latter reaction did not. Rossi added lithium to his fuel mix as a latter improvement, This changed what the reaction did and what transmutation products were produced.

Right now Russ George is adjusting his fuel blend that he uses in his LENR reactor and the LENR reactions that are produced also change in responce. For example, one fuel mix produces radiation and another just produces heat. It is not correct to think of the LENR reaction as simple and unchanging, the LENR reaction is very complicated and is a function of the way it is generated.

For example, in Rossi's latest system: the SK reactor, transmutation may not be occurring. That system could be extracting energy from the vacuum as one of these major energy producing LENR sub-processes.

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RR

January 3, 2019 at 4:17 AM
Dr Andrea Rossi,
Is the temperature of the plasma in the Ecat uniform, or are there different temperatures?

Andrea Rossi
January 3, 2019 at 8:47 AM
RR:
There are different temperatures in different zones. When applying the Boltzmann formula we consider only the surface of the core, that in an Ecat SK is about 0.5 cm^2 and is where all the energy id produced.

Warm Regards,
A.R.

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This bit of info tells us something important about the LENR reaction in the SK reactor. The energy production zone is located at a fixed location inside the plasma. This LENR active zone does not move around randomly throughout the plasma. We would expect that random movement of the energy production zone would imply a mobile LENR active agent such as a black EVO which is independent of the plasma...like a fish swimming in a lake. That fish could travel anywhere in that lake.

The LENR active zone inside the plasma is fixed in the "core" of the plasma. This means that the plasma itself is supporting the LENR reaction as an integral and indispensable component of the LENR process.

The SK reactor is a plasma based LENR reaction where the plasma supports the reaction without the action of another independent agent.

Quote from axil

For example, in Rossi's latest system: the SK reactor, transmutation may not be occurring. That system could be extracting energy from the vacuum as one of these major energy producing LENR sub-processes.

Quote from Adrian Ashfield

Wrong. The energy comes from the reduction in mass of the fuel, apparently from changing the isotope or changing to lighter elements.

According to these statements from two big Rossi proponents which contradict each other 100%, it seems Jed is right that "no one has the slightest idea where the energy is coming from" . At least the Rossi apologists should get their story straight.

@Adrian Ashfield wrote:

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I just don't know how man survived before writing...

Actually if you mean before modern sanitary and health regulations, not very well.

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17th-century English life expectancy was only about 35 years, largely because infant and child mortality remained high. Life expectancy was under 25 years in the early Colony of Virginia, and in seventeenth-century New England, about 40 per cent died before reaching adulthood.

If you mean like neolithic times

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Based on Neolithic and Bronze Age data, the total life expectancy at 15 would not exceed 34 years.[11] Based on the data from modern hunter-gatherer populations, it is estimated that at 15, life expectancy was an additional 39 years (total 54), with a 0.60 probability of reaching 15.[12]

(from Wikipedia)

, @Adrian Ashfield: Without modern science and regulations, it is very likely you would not be with us.

Quote from Director

The demo is not going to tell us anything.

- The whole event will be pre-recorded.

- All measurements will be taken by Rossi with equipment he setup.

- There will be no third party present or representative of the customer if there is one.

I truly believe the only way we will ever know if the QX works is if a replication can be made to produce excess energy. I hope I'm wrong, but I expect Rossi to go permanently dark after this demonstration. Because I don't expect him to get the wave of clients he wants and therefore there will never be another demonstration.

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I agree with your points.

Unfortunately, there is nothing even close to sufficient information on the QX to replicate it.

Maybe someone can Cargo Cult something that looks like a QX, and accidentally/on purpose make that something work.

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According to these statements from two big Rossi proponents which contradict each other 100%, it seems Jed is right that "no one has the slightest idea where the energy is coming from" . At least the Rossi apologists should get their story straight.

The energy output from LENR comes from three sources, the vacuum, the decay of sub atomic particles, and fusion/fission. In some LENR systems, all three of these sources could by at play at the same time.

Quote from Adrian Ashfield

As it is straight forward to measure things in an engineering way, such as heating the water with the QX or measuring the 27 kW of factory heating with the SK, this is too simple for your esoteric mind to grasp.

Ut doesn't allow you to write a page of convoluted prose to supposedly prove the SK doesn't work

Surely you can do better than this? I have given specific information about how Rossi's demos and other tests defeat "straightforward measurement". Those points are all based on public fact which you have not even tried to dispute (you cannot do so, since they are all true).

General platitudes about how it is straightforward to measure things are hardly the point.

Rossi, based not on opinion, but documented past behaviour:

• is not a straightforward guy
• does not permit straightforward guys to make straightforward measurements on his devices.

Quote from Shane D.

You may be right. At what point do we stop paying attention to him then? 6 months, 1 year, 2? Everyone wrote him off after the Doral court documents became public, and he is still going.

The Court Documents and Rossi VS

Darden where just a side show.

If I remember correctly Rossi announced three months before the

Court Case that he was working on

the QX and that many did not

write him off.

Quote from THHuxleynew

RR:

There are different temperatures in different zones. When applying the Boltzmann formula we consider only the surface of the core, that in an Ecat SK is about 0.5 cm^2 and is where all the energy id produced.

Warm Regards,

A.R.

Just for AA, who does not bother with the tech stuff.

This is a "friendly" question, in the sense that it does not address the key issue with estimating power out as Rossi does with the QX. That issue is Rossi's assuming that his plasma radiation is thermally in equilibrium and therefore obeys Planck (S-B) law.

I'm sure AA, with his engineering experience, will be able to understand that radiation from fluorescent bulbs is forced (not equilibrium) and therefore not thermal in distribution. Its spectral content is very variable.

Here are already several good answers, but one thing hasn't been addressed, which might be what your friend refers to. The Sun and an incandescent bulb both emit (close-to) Planck spectra (as shown in Tomi's and Cort Ammon's answers). In contrast, fluorescent bulbs, or tubes, emit spectra that have multiple spectral lines. Depending on which gas is used in the tube, or what material the tube is coated with, various spectra can be achieved.

from:

https://physics.stackexchange.…-as-the-light-from-a-bulb

Here is a better example; the spectrum from mercury plasma. If measured as rossi does, eyeballing those peaks, it would give an COP multiplier of about 100X!

https://www.researchgate.net/p…and_parameters_estimation

I'm just here emphasising the final error class in my table, which the QX seems particularly suitable to generating. Rossi has discovered that Lugano-style optical measurement is capable of large inaccuracy and false positives. He has, felicitously, discovered a system where naive optical power measurement gives much more inaccurate results!

Perhaps, AA, you understand why I'm not inclined to believe anything Rossi says?

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TH,

You mean Rossi has been purposefully “bamboozeling” us all this time?

I was just about to send my investment $$$ to that kind Arab Prince to invest in Leonardo Corp for me.

Dang