Rossi-Blog Comment Discussion

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Wrong. Rossi brought the LENR field a great deal. He still is the only superstar like character in the field and on his own created more publicity after F &P than everybody else combined.

And the evidence for that is? (drumroll) Rossi said it.

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And the evidence for that is? (drumroll) Rossi said it.

Hi seven_of_twenty,

Nope, i am saying that.

Cheers,

JB

OK. So where did you get such a brutally erroneous idea?

Debating with Rossi supporters is a total waste of time. Their support provides a failsafe assurance that these are people whose judgement on anything can and should be ignored. But I wish them a high old time with their entrenched delusions.

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Debating with Rossi supporters is a total waste of time. Their support provides a failsafe assurance that these are people whose judgement on anything can and should be ignored. But I wish them a high old time with their entrenched delusions.

May be you are a perfect sock as you are not even able to distinguish between a supporter and one that mentions a positive aspect of the story. For me all the socks that ""waste their time""" are a good sign that the truth is hidden in the mud.

There is nothing positive whatever about Rossi's entire life except inasmuch as it serves as a classic example of how con men work and manage to fool even smart and educated people.

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May be you are a perfect sock as you are not even able to distinguish between a supporter and one that mentions a positive aspect of the story.

How exactly did you extract that bit of diatribe out of my comment? I talked about supporters, not anyone who mentions a positive aspect of the story. A little touchy, aren’t you?

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Yeah, totally agreed. But what is wrong with those people ?

It’s their ego. They would have to admit that they have been taken for a ride.

So, they rather hang on to some beliefs like “Rossi got some kind of LENR effects t his early days, but he just can’t stabilize and commercialise it”, or IH, Woodford, Big-Oil, the Bilderbergs and whoever conspire against Rossi.

BTW: Woodford surely wouldn’t have any problems with his funds now, when IH would have been able to prove that the e-cat works.

Hi Bob#2 ,

"IH was started before their association with Rossi. You are simply wrong about this. Also, IH has no connection with Brillioun... please show your facts.

Your concept here about IH is simply clouded by your view and acceptance of what Rossi has spewed."

Indeed, but before Rossi came on-board nothing happened at IH. Rossi convinced them LENR was interesting. Read this court document (fact) and judge for yourself what connections may or may not exist between IH and Brillioun;

http://www.sifferkoll.se/siffe…/03/214-23-Exhibit-23.pdf

"Again, you are completely incorrect here. IH did NOT start the lawsuit. They were NOT filing a lawsuit to show Rossi a fraud. Rossi started the lawsuit and then walked away right before experts were ready to take the stand. IH new that the 10 million would not be reclaimed from Rossi as he put his fraudulently obtained 10 million into Condos (not LENR research!), So again, you are not seeing clearly. IH never started the lawsuit, but they sure stopped it. There was no need to continue paying large legal fees to "discredit or prove a fraud" of Rossi, as he had already did that via his depositions. Care to talk about fake customer, fake invoices, fake engineer, fake production, fake everything? How about him dropping his 1MW plant immediately to never talk about it again? A plant he stated had a COP over 80 and that ran for a year... HE stated (by the lawsuit) that it was worth 89 million MORE dollars. REALLY?"

Dewey Weaver stated, literally hours before the settlement, that they would once and for all shut Rossi down. All the so-called experts were adamant; Rossi dug his own grave. The opposite happened (fact). Rossi defended his 10 mio and got (some of the) things back that IH owned him. The chatter of legal costs, difficulties to convince the jury, etc. were all spin.

"Great lengths? Rossi does this by himself! Please show ANY facts that APCO is discrediting Rossi. Seriously, any facts at all.

Please show any sock-puppets. List any names please. Rossi on the other hand has many socket puppets on his JONP.

Rossi needs NO assistance in discrediting himself.... he does a fine job by himself."

The mail with APCO as a recipient is proof enough. They were involved. Do you think they spin in plain sight? It is their profession to operate under the radar. And in regards to sock-puppets; Hinting at posters on this beautiful forum being sock-puppets will get you banned. Perhaps you should ask some of the moderators if they felt IH operatives were busy spinning things while IH needed some support. Dewey Weaver is accused of bashing Rossi for money. More?

"Uh... cannot prove a negative! Who are the members? Well, there were none other than Fabiovini (sp), Penon and Bass. Bass was a fake engineer who clearly is not with Rossi any more as far as we know. Fabiovin(sp) is a long time family friend and part of the charade. There have been several "associations" such as Clark, mysterious aero-engineers, etc. who have never supported Rossi after their dealings with him. (If they even existed) Even his latest, aspiring student Gulstrom, seems to have abandoned ship. Only Lewan remains loyal and he is kept at arms length."

Ask the Swedes if somebody is willing to discredit him. I did (fact) and i find it hard to get anything negative back. Carl-Oscar gone? I dare you, dear Sir using your own logic. Prove it.

"$10 million is not a gain for you? You must be very rich indeed!"

Rossi had a business deal with IH. As was stated he received 10 mio upfront. No scam. This was agreed. What is more important is that, in hindsight, i am sure Rossi rather would have avoided the leeches of IH. They almost sucked the life out of him, while empowering his competition. You want to know what a conmen look like? Check-out some of IH lauded investors and perhaps you find a few.

Cheers,

JB

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There is nothing positive whatever about Rossi's entire life

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Rossi had a business deal with IH. As was stated he received 10 mio upfront. No scam. This was agreed.

Wow. Actually it was not agreed. It was about $1.5M up front, $10M more on successful performance on some tests and $89M IIRC when the whole system made a megawatt for a customer for a year. All the up front money was given due an obvious lack of due diligence. None of what IH paid for ever worked. Not to the tiniest extent. It was all a scam. See the flippin' deposition transcripts from Rossi vs IH.

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What is more important is that, in hindsight, i am sure Rossi rather would have avoided the leeches of IH. They almost sucked the life out of him, while empowering his competition.

Really? How did they suck out his life while giving him >$11M for absolutely nothing except troubles. They empowered his competition? What competition exactly? Scams rarely have competitions unless it's other scams.

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You want to know what a conmen look like? Check-out some of IH lauded investors and perhaps you find a few

Your link points to an article about Paul Woodford. I doubt that he's ever been a conman but I do think he doesn't know what he doesn't know about technology and has no idea how to vet companies and how to test devices. Ironically, the dismal failure of IH's large commitment to Rossi was significant in bring about Woodford's demise. I am not sure how much of the total loss of confidence and funds it accounted for but for sure, it didn't help!

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Can the moderator who deleted my post explain to me why this is so inappropriate that it had to be deleted, rather than moved to clearance etc? Are you offended by humor that has the slightest bit of sexual entendre?

If any sexual innuendo are off limits like UFO's and magnetic motors, I guess Director was right. Maybe I will post on ECW, as long as Frank allows

For what it's worth, your comment never got published on the JONP. It was only visible to you (from the browser session you were using in that moment) and Rossi or whoever else moderates the blog.