Rossi-Blog Comment Discussion

Quote from LDM

Instead it shows the ecat producing over 1 kW, and was totally ignored by the Professors.

Don't know when and where this picture was taken.

However the screen layout suggests that the PCE-830 is in 3 phase, 3 wire mode.

Voltage of about 240 Volt suggests that the measurment took place in Europe and thus that the mains frequency should be 50 Hz.

However the PCE-830 shows a frequency of 5.3 Hz !

Normally you set the frequency on the PCE-830 to a fixed mains frequency of 50 Hz (Europe) or 60 Hz (USA).

In that case the the display will show 50 F or 60 F, the F meaning that the frequency is set fixed.

In the picture shown the display shows 5.3 A, the A meaning that the PCE-830 is set to automaticcaly trying to determine the frequency.

And it is failing to do so, probably due to the a non sine current wave form.

It will now use the 5.3 Hz as the base frequency for determining the higher order harmonics and these will be incorrect.

As a result the presented measurement results will also be incorrect.

So if the results presented in the display where ignored, then that was a correct decision.

They have no comment since 10 years.

Incorrect. In the UNSWORN DECLARATON OF GIUSEPPE LEVI in the court documents Levi made a comment about the critique on the Lugano test.

Maybe not detailed answers we all expected, nevertheless it is a comment.

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This photo was taken by Adolph Schneider, the Switzerland region licence holder for Leonardo Corp products, in the middle of the December 2012 test, part 1 of the “Indication of ...” Levi et al report. Note the date on the watch, which was to confirm the time in the video recorded of the PCE-830 power meter. Compare to the photos in that report.

Quote from PhysicsForDummies

Sam, you seem to realize the Stockholm demo was a sham now! I'm proud of you.

I think Rossi had lot of guts to have

the Stockholm presentation warts

and all.

Rossi working by internet.

1. Sam March 21, 2020 at 7:23 PM

   Hello DR Rossi

   Have you considered putting the

   SKL tests on hold due to the situation

   with the CV?

   Regards

   Sam

2. Andrea Rossi March 22, 2020 at 10:40 AM

   Sam:

   No, our team is working in remote by internet, directed by me in my laboratory, that is in my house.

   Warm Regards,

   A.R.

LDM ,

Part of the problem may be that there were 4 cables (3 phases plus neutral) attached to the ecat in December 2012, and which are connected in the strangest way.

Quote from Paradigmnoia

LDM ,

Part of the problem may be that there were 4 cables (3 phases plus neutral) attached to the ecat in December 2012, and which are connected in the strangest way.

LOL,

LDM ignored also negative active power indication PΣ and negative Power Factor PF, both impossible parameters. sign of an acquisition set-up completely unreliable.

Quote from truth

LOL,

LDM ignored also negative active power indication PΣ and negative Power Factor PF, both impossible parameters. sign of an acquisition set-up completely unreliable.

I indeed intentional ignored those indicators but had seen them.

But those likely where the result of the wrong frequency determination and as I stated as a consequence the measurement data was wrong. ( including the negative signs ).

But if you had already noted it, why did you not post your findings an tel us the TRUTH.

Quote from LDM

I indeed intentional ignored those indicators but had seen them.

But those likely where the result of the wrong frequency determination and as I stated as a consequence the measurement data was wrong. ( including the negative signs ).

You are completely wrong, frequency and active power are two different circuits, parameters and measures.

PF depends on active power negative value, not from frequency measure.

Quote from truth

You are completely wrong, frequency and active power are two different circuits, parameters and measures.

PF depends on active power negative value, not from frequency measure.

You are completely wrong, frequency and active power are two different circuits, parameters and measures.

The PC-830 calulates the power by splitting the waveform into Fourier components and then summing the powers of each Fourier frequency component.

Note that both the real power and apparent powers are calculated in this way.

So in the way the PC-830 calculates the total power, frequencies and powers are inter related.

Basing the power calculation on the fourier components means that if the measured frequency components are wrong then the power calculation will also be wrong.

PF depends on active power negative value, not from frequency measure.

PF does not depend on the "active power negative value" but on the cosine of the phase angle between the real power and apparent power.

Since the ECAT heaters are resistive, the phase angle is about zero which means that the power factor should be about 1.

Negative power factors occur only when more power is returned then supplied which is not the case for an ECAT but could be the case at your home if your solar panels supply more power then you are consuming and the excess solar power is returned to the grid.

Thus a negative value could in the example showed only have occured due to a miscalculation resulting from the wrong calculated Fourier components.

Certainly these strange PCE-830 readings are not what should be expected a day into the test.

Quote from Paradigmnoia

Certainly these strange PCE-830 readings are not what should be expected a day into the test.

Agreed !

Quote from PhysicsForDummies

Sam, you seem to realize the Stockholm demo was a sham now! I'm proud of you.

A dim bulb brightens?

Many of us in 2011 were where Sam is now,

He just started 7-8 years after us.

In the words of the great physicist and philosopher Yoda:

“you must unlearn what you have learned”

Sven B March 22, 2020 at 11:15 AM

1. Dear Andrea Rossi,

   Your comments today are very interesting:

   Recently you confirmed that you are staying in Europe but not in Italy.

   Now you say you are working in your own house.

   Have you got a house in Sweden?

   If not where in Europe are you staying at the moment?

   Kind regards

   Sven B

2. Andrea Rossi March 22, 2020 at 11:34 AM

   Sven B.:

   For security reasons I have been suggested not to disclose where I am. I am in Europe.

   Warm Regards,

   A.R.

Rossi caught in yet another blatant lie. Apparently he has multiple houses with labs in multiple European countries as well as US? Sure he does. What "security reasons" prevent you from saying what country you are in?

Lying sack of shrimp.

Quote from LDM

You are completely wrong, frequency and active power are two different circuits, parameters and measures.

The PC-830 calulates the power by splitting the waveform into Fourier components and then summing the powers of each Fourier frequency component.

Note that both the real power and apparent powers are calculated in this way.

So in the way the PC-830 calculates the total power, frequencies and powers are inter related.

Basing the power calculation on the fourier components means that if the measured frequency components are wrong then the power calculation will also be wrong.

PF depends on active power negative value, not from frequency measure.

PF does not depend on the "active power negative value" but on the cosine of the phase angle between the real power and apparent power.

Since the ECAT heaters are resistive, the phase angle is about zero which means that the power factor should be about 1.

Negative power factors occur only when more power is returned then supplied which is not the case for an ECAT but could be the case at your home if your solar panels supply more power then you are consuming and the excess solar power is returned to the grid.

Thus a negative value could in the example showed only have occured due to a miscalculation resulting from the wrong calculated Fourier components.

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LCM,

They may be calculated that way but only for the fundamental.

Quote from Roseland67

A dim bulb brightens?

Many of us in 2011 were where Sam is now,

He just started 7-8 years after us.

In the words of the great physicist and philosopher Yoda:

“you must unlearn what you have learned”

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Thus a negative value could in the example showed only have occured due to a miscalculation resulting from the wrong calculated Fourier components.

LDM

Wrong calculation of Fourier components due to what?

Are you saying that PCE is not able to make the calculation? or was it defective?

Write a math that demonstrates your statements otherwise yours are chat.

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PF does not depend on the "active power negative value" but on the cosine of the phase angle between the real power and apparent power.

LDM

LOL, again an odd statement.

The cosine of the phase angle between the Real power and Apparent power comes from the definition of PF equal to the ratio Preal/Papparent, as in a right triangle the cosine of an angle is the length of the adjacent side divided by the length of the hypotenuse.

Being measured S positive your statements "not depend" and "but" are again a fail.

You can check making calculation based on PCE-830 displayed data of P (the real power) and S (the apparent power) computing -1.07/2.19 getting the PF=-0.488.

Rossi is living on a caravan site in Cornwall UK with a few devoted followers awaiting the end of days.

What do you think the teams plan was Miles?Was Allan in on it?😊

Alan Smith the moderator was there

and was just kidding about him being part of the team.

Thank for the translation.