Rossi-Blog Comment Discussion

    Quote from Mark U

    Let's say a potential customer sees the advertisement and emails Leonardo Corp. Then what?

    1) Rossi emails them back saying, "Just Kidding!" No exchange of money. This is not capitalism at all, just a prank.

    2) Rossi contacts the potential client and assures them they pay no money for eCat installation, etc. Only for the power used. The potential customer then signs on or does not. Nothing wrong with that.


    If main stream science had not been so dogmatic when F&P made their claims, we could possibly have had working cold fusion by now and perhaps the atmosphere would be in better shape.


    Now, Cold Fusion has a very black eye and Rossi is only making it worse. And some people keep signaling that Rossi is the real deal, such as with this ad.

    It only gives the LENR field a blacker eye. That is what is wrong with this!

    Quote from Paradigmnoia

    Care to tell us how and for what Industrial use the ecat is certified for?

    It would have to be certified for insurance reasons, but I doubt it would be a typical full certification, like one obtained at the manufacturer level. Rather the Ecat SK would probably have a one time field certification in the factory, done on the spot. Along the lines of this:

    https://canada.ul.com/ulcprograms/fieldcertification/


    ULC designed the Field Certification program as a certification option for a wide range of products that are one of a kind or are produced in limited quantities. While Field Certification is not meant to replace full certification, it provides a one-time certification. This program provides you the convenience of having your products certified at the location of your choice by a ULC technical expert. The product is tested to the applicable standard and once the product meets the requirements of the applicable standard, the ULC technical expert applies a serialized numbered “Field Certified” label to each unit. And you will receive the final report to satisfy the local authorities across Canada.

    When to Consider Field Certification for your New Equipment
    • You are producing or have limited quantities or batches of product.
    • Your equipment is one of a kind or custom engineered.
    • Your equipment was UL listed but was modified.
    • Your equipment was inadvertently shipped without the UL certification mark.
    • Your equipment was installed without the UL certification mark.
    • You have shipped, or installed the equipment at the final destination.
    • You are developing a new design and want to assess if your product meets the applicable safety requirements.
    • You may need full certification for a new product you are designing, but you first want to test market the product.
    • You ultimately want full certification, but would first like to ensure that your prototypes and test samples comply with the essential requirements before submitting for full certification.
    Quote from Alan Smith

    I have donated to ECW, there's nothing wrong with that. Has it occurred to you that google's own algorithms will drop ads into blogs that the AI thinks appropriate? That's why when I looked at an aitr-travel website the other day a funeral services company sent me a pop-up.

    Hehe.

    While the Ecat ad seems to be a relatively permanent feature on ECW (and why not), the pop up ads I see now at Ecat world are from a certain Canadian Bank, for loans and insurance, and another for retirement planning. Lordy am I that old? (I don't think so, but the other day someone did call me sir.)

    Quote from Alan Smith

    I have donated to ECW, there's nothing wrong with that. Has it occurred to you that google's own algorithms will drop ads into blogs that the AI thinks appropriate? That's why when I looked at an aitr-travel website the other day a funeral services company sent me a pop-up.


    Certainly Google ads can pop up anywhere. However that is not the case with the Rossi ad on eCat World. That add is embedded into eCat World script and is not a Google popup. I.E. Frank has put it there. You can inspect the page and see :


    <img width="250" height="430" src="https://e-catworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/ecataug.jpg" alt="">


    This html code states the image is an e-catword.com jpeg file, not a Google ad.


    Ps. I do not think it especially wrong to donate to eCat World in general, although I think to the world at large, eCat World would be considered "aluminum hat" territory! The very reason why LENR -Forum does not allow alien abduction and other very fringe topics is that it would destroy it's credibility. ECatWorld is doing nothing to increase LENR credibility, but is very likely helping to tarnish it. Just looks at the posts and the praise of Rossi ! :/

    Year after year I continue to be astounded that the remaining souls who still think Rossi is anything other than a total fraud have no problem with the fact that his global operations leave no trace in real or virtual space. Rossiplanet is the most secret operation in human history in an era when nothing can be hidden from the prying eyes of the world. Compared to Rossi, his partners, and his customers, the Manhattan Project was a public spectacle.

    Quote from Mark U

    It would have to be certified for insurance reasons, but I doubt it would be a typical full certification, like one obtained at the manufacturer level. Rather the Ecat SK would probably have a one time field certification in the factory, done on the spot. Along the lines of this:

    https://canada.ul.com/ulcprograms/fieldcertification/


    ULC designed the Field Certification program as a certification option for a wide range of products that are one of a kind or are produced in limited quantities. While Field Certification is not meant to replace full certification, it provides a one-time certification. This program provides you the convenience of having your products certified at the location of your choice by a ULC technical expert. The product is tested to the applicable standard and once the product meets the requirements of the applicable standard, the ULC technical expert applies a serialized numbered “Field Certified” label to each unit. And you will receive the final report to satisfy the local authorities across Canada.

    When to Consider Field Certification for your New Equipment
    • You are producing or have limited quantities or batches of product.
    • Your equipment is one of a kind or custom engineered.
    • Your equipment was UL listed but was modified.
    • Your equipment was inadvertently shipped without the UL certification mark.
    • Your equipment was installed without the UL certification mark.
    • You have shipped, or installed the equipment at the final destination.
    • You are developing a new design and want to assess if your product meets the applicable safety requirements.
    • You may need full certification for a new product you are designing, but you first want to test market the product.
    • You ultimately want full certification, but would first like to ensure that your prototypes and test samples comply with the essential requirements before submitting for full certification.

    Sounds about right. So certified not likely to cut, maim or kill someone, at the Customer location, but not for Industrial Use.

    Quote from Mark U

    It would have to be certified for insurance reasons, but I doubt it would be a typical full certification, like one obtained at the manufacturer level. Rather the Ecat SK would probably have a one time field certification in the factory, done on the spot. Along the lines of this:

    https://canada.ul.com/ulcprograms/fieldcertification/


    ULC designed the Field Certification program as a certification option for a wide range of products that are one of a kind or are produced in limited quantities. While Field Certification is not meant to replace full certification, it provides a one-time certification. This program provides you the convenience of having your products certified at the location of your choice by a ULC technical expert. The product is tested to the applicable standard and once the product meets the requirements of the applicable standard, the ULC technical expert applies a serialized numbered “Field Certified” label to each unit. And you will receive the final report to satisfy the local authorities across Canada.

    When to Consider Field Certification for your New Equipment
    • You are producing or have limited quantities or batches of product.
    • Your equipment is one of a kind or custom engineered.
    • Your equipment was UL listed but was modified.
    • Your equipment was inadvertently shipped without the UL certification mark.
    • Your equipment was installed without the UL certification mark.
    • You have shipped, or installed the equipment at the final destination.
    • You are developing a new design and want to assess if your product meets the applicable safety requirements.
    • You may need full certification for a new product you are designing, but you first want to test market the product.
    • You ultimately want full certification, but would first like to ensure that your prototypes and test samples comply with the essential requirements before submitting for full certification.


    Mark,

    One of Rossi's biggest and longest running BS stories is that of "certification". He has touted it often and yet completely has been deceptive.


    1) Certification can easily be published without fear of giving ANY IP away. Every electrical appliance in the US has a UL cert mark for example and it gives no proprietary information.


    2) A published certification would give much credibility if real and made available.


    There is no reason why Rossi would not give certification information except that he is lying. He once gave out a "Cert" from SGS. This cert, which he probably is actually referring to, has nothing to do with the eCat itself, but is a initial self certification on standard controls only! It specifically states that it is NOT to be used for commercial or advertising purposes!


    So this whole certification story with Rossi is a prime example of his lies. He does not have a valid certification or he would provide it. Although I am sure the faithful will dream up some lame excuse as to why he does not..... and then he will publish that very reason a day or two later! :rolleyes:


    When will Rossi fans start holding Rossi to ANY accountability at all?................ probably never.... they just drop out of sight such as IHFB and Eng48 and .... the list goes on and on.

    The old SGS equipment certification often touted by Rossi was issued to EON, and was never valid for Leonardo.

    It was invalid the moment anything was changed on the Plant post inspection, and became invalid even if it moved to a new building, like from Bologna to Ferrara, or Ferrara to North Carolina for example, even if EON did still own it.

    Mark U remembers Rossi

    70th.

    1. Mark U June 2, 2020 at 7:48 PM

      Dear Andrea,

      By now it should be the very early hours of the morning, on June 3rd.

      If I’m not mistaken, this is a very special day.

      I would like to wish you a joy filled birthday!

      Imagine, seventy years of adventure and progress!

      Thank you for your example of hard work, perseverance through ups and downs, and inspired thinking.

      You have been an example of “seek and you shall find ; knock and the door will be opened”.

      Thank you!

      Mark U

      PS I’ve read from an ancient book that an ancient people entered a certain promised land after seventy years of some rough adventures. :)

    2. Translate Andrea Rossi June 3, 2020 at 1:59 AM

      Mark U:

      I am delighted to receive your wishes !

      Thank you and

      Warm Regards,

      A.R.

    I can't say that I for sure am behind a particular company, but I think paradigm shifting plausible energy sources that have been researched for up to 70 years should have their "promised land" realisation close to horizon. And I think it will heavily resemble Hydrinos and LENR. It's all about moving closer together to give more.


    Another biblical parable, look at the atom like the jewish pre-messianic sanctuary. We are moving energetically from the courtyard of valence phenomina to the holy place in the middle, figuratively speaking. The most holy I'm guessing that's the thermonuclear scrambling of nuclei by brute force, the dominion of star cores, blackholes and quasars. Keep electrons involved nuclei intact. Three in one, A metal nuclei Hydrogen or suitable heavier (D-block) metal, H isotope for a second nuclei in a close dance and the distributed electron orbit sphere or cloud surrounds the two in an atom sized compound. H2O is interesting as well. It's all about moving closer to give more light.

    Quote from LeBob

    Another biblical parable, look at the atom like the jewish pre-messianic sanctuary. We are moving energetically from the courtyard of valence phenomina to the holy place in the middle, figuratively speaking. The most holy I'm guessing that's the thermonuclear scrambling of nuclei by brute force, the dominion of star cores, blackholes and quasars. Keep electrons involved nuclei intact. Three in one, A metal nuclei Hydrogen or suitable heavier (D-block) metal, H isotope for a second nuclei in a close dance and the distributed electron orbit sphere or cloud surrounds the two in an atom sized compound. H2O is interesting as well. It's all about moving closer to give more light.

    Yes. YES.

    We have the Outer Court of the temple, then the Holy Place inside, and then inside further, behind the veil, we have the innermost Holy of Holies.

    The Outer Court clearly represents the known outer electron orbitals. The more inner Holy Place contains the Menorah (the seven candle thingie), which represents the hidden, sub ground electron energy states. The Holy Place also has the Laver, which holds water. The water symbolizes that this applies to hydrogen. Going further in, through the veil, is the Holy of Holies, wherein is the Shekinah Glory, which of course represents the high energy of the nucleus. The veil represent the coloumb barrier, which only the high priests of science can finesse to get through to the Shekinah, if they have the secret.

    OK, that mystery solved. Next?

    ;)

    Quote from Mark U

    Yes. YES.

    We have the Outer Court of the temple, then the Holy Place inside, and then inside further, behind the veil, we have the innermost Holy of Holies.

    The Outer Court clearly represents the known outer electron orbitals. The more inner Holy Place contains the Menorah (the seven candle thingie), which represents the hidden, sub ground electron energy states. The Holy Place also has the Laver, which holds water. The water symbolizes that this applies to hydrogen. Going further in, through the veil, is the Holy of Holies, wherein is the Shekinah Glory, which of course represents the high energy of the nucleus. The veil represent the coloumb barrier, which only the high priests of science can finesse to get through to the Shekinah, if they have the secret.

    OK, that mystery solved. Next?

    ;)

    Also shows that when you cross the barrier to the most holy with the wrong intentions or Willy Nilly destruction ensues. The holy place with the hydrogen/water (smart connection Mark!), and the courtyard are the domain of humanity. The hidden electron levels and hydrogen bonds are energetic enough to supply all reasonable energetic desires for the masses. Just like regular priests and citizens never crossed to the most holy due to the instant death from shakinah radiation. Even if we enterpret it from a post-messiah framework we all became priests, access to the holy, but only Christ is the High priest and the lamb in the most holy.


    Ever thought about the 4 living creatures and the 24 elders around the throne in Revelation... the closest 4 S-shell electrons are the places desired for pico-hydride bounding. This adds up to 28 electrons so we are looking at Nickel, coincidence? If you just have the 2 archangels you get 26 which is Iron. So much possible symbolism was right there all along, those hidden electron levels are for all who will use it peacefully!


    Are we still waiting on the priests of science to allow us into the holy place or tell us we can intercede on our own behalf because of the 'sacrifice'? I mean microgrids; neighborhoods, blocks, small towns, industrial buildings and infrastructure producing their own power yet still connected. We stupidly want to skip to the most holy symbolically, I'm pretty sure destruction is waiting there if our motives aren't pure. We already have the solar core above and fission/decay in the earth (a MSR underground seems worthwhile) given to us. We should skim processes from the Sun's corona and learn from lightning.

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