Rossi-Blog Comment Discussion

  • Bob 2


    I nominate you as leader of the

    Skeptics Cult.


    Thank you but I am unsure what cult? Skeptics of Rossi are not worshiping anyone!

    I have presented a plethora of facts about why I am a strong unbeliever of Rossi. So presenting facts is not a trait of a cult!


    Rossi believers on the other hand, have no facts and continue to "worship" him... that is certainly a trait of a cult. Remember, I use the word "worship" in that you only post ego building statements to him and never contradict or criticize because you know he will "excommunicate" you. THIS alone should give you great concern and second thoughts about supporting Rossi.


    If I could I would have Bob 2 present

    to report on the 3rd party tests.

    It would be good for everyone.


    But you realize that will not happen! Another reason to deeply mistrust Rossi. He only invites those who will not "spill the beans" on him! Take a look at the big Quark X demo. There were several people in attendance.... have you heard from ANY of them? No. Why?


    Because he only invited those who would not report openly and in detail what a sham it was. He probably invited only those who would sign a NDA stating that no critical or unflattering statements could be made under penalty of lawsuit.


    So again I ask.... several people went to witness the invention of the century. Not a SINGLE person who attended has reported ANYTHING on that demo! Why? You should ask yourself this! Stating that a demo was great, showed amazing technology, looked to be well conducted, etc. etc. would NOT have been in violation of any IP or NDA. However not a single person reported such on the invention of the CENTURY. You need to ask yourself why!


    I can tell you why... those who attended are embarrassed to report they took the time to go and I imagine they had to sign an NDA stating they would report no criticism. We have a well documented case here where NO report was ever given, even after promising one.


    So no, I (nor anyone who would report the truth about the eCat) will be invited to a demo. So we do not have to worry about that! Rossi has stopped inviting anyone anyways.... he now does his puppet shows and songs over the internet FROM HIS CONDO! (Where is his robotic factory? His lab where his marvelous and 20+ person team are working? No, he had to do it from his Condo? :rolleyes: )


    Hopefully some day you will connect all the mountains of "in your face" hard, facts that shout Rossi is a conman! Until then, you follow a cult mentality.... you

  • I agree.Rossi believers are not

    a cult.

    The word groupies

    comes to mind to describe

    Rossi believers.


    Sam2,

    I apologize in that I do not mean to be personally critical of you. (Or Mark U) My posts are directed at Rossi! My agenda is that Rossi is a con-artist that is and has given CF a black eye for years. He has stolen money that could have went to legitimate researchers. I personally dislike people who have the audacity to defraud, lie and deceive such as Rossi and then revel in the admiration of others! So with that in mind, is why I make "anti-Rossi" posts. They are not even "skeptic" posts in that Rossi has nothing even likely to be real! To be a skeptic, there has to be at least some validity to the subject and with Rossi there is none!


    Here are a couple of definitions of cult. Do they sound familiar?


    cult

    /kəlt/noun

    noun: cult; plural noun: cults

    1. a system of religious veneration and devotion directed toward a particular figure or object. Such as "the cult of St. Olaf" (ROSSI)
    • a relatively small group of people having religious beliefs or practices regarded by others as strange or sinister. Such as "a network of Satan-worshiping cults" (eCat World,not that they have anything to do with Satan.)
    • Similar: sect

      religious group

      community

      belief (in ROSSI)


    • a misplaced or excessive admiration for a particular person or thing. (in ROSSI)

    :)

  • No problem Bob if you do criticize.

    You do a good job of it.

    I sure hope that Rossi partner gets a

    LEGITAMATE third party test that

    will be convincing to you and the skeptics and the believers.


    1. Ulrich Kranz August 2, 2020 at 7:40 AM

      Dear Andrea,

      my congratulations for your big success testing the new e-cat skl. With a power of 4 kwh and a volume of 20*20*20 cm it will replace all the heavy batteries in e-cars.

      Stay in health

      Ulrich

    2. Andrea Rossi August 2, 2020 at 10:17 AM

      Ulrich Kranz:

      Thank you for your kind sustain, but remind the disclaimer. The apparatus still has to be verified by a third party.

      Warm Regards,

      A.R.

  • No problem Bob if you do criticize.

    You do a good job of it.

    I sure hope that Rossi partner gets a

    LEGITAMATE third party test that

    will be convincing to you and the skeptics and the believers.


    Sam - you are I think the reason so many "skeptics" hang around here.


    Rossi is as Bob says a con artist. How many of his own lies he believes is debatable, and he is good at his job - he has you and others on e-cat world despite have been thoroughly debunked.


    5 years ago IH (rashly) agreed to give Rossi all he asked for: $100M no strings attached. All he had to do was give them an invention that he claimed he had made work some 3 years previously, and had various third party tests to validate.


    As you know, now, neither IH nor Rossi have any working technology.


    If you credit Rossi as being for real you need to take a view in this. Did all of that old apparently tested kit work? Or not?


    If it did - it is incomprehensible that after 5 years and serious money from a VC such revolutionary technology would not be advancing, fully working, making Rossi his $100M or more (since the $100M was only a license for 50% geographically of the world - and the other 50% would be worth more after observed success from the IH part).


    If it did not - the question is how do you reconcile this with your views?


    Rossi fascinates even skeptics, because he is so obviously a flake and yet that very lack of sophistication has over time convinced many he is for real (until they find out the hard way he is not). He has real charisma, of an unusual sort. And that is something he shares with cult leaders.


    Instead we have no working product. No scientific validation of any sort. Internet puppet shows.


    10 years ago Rossi claimed he had an LENR device working for a year heating his factory. Just that one device, shown working, would make him very famous (which he seems to like) lots of money, and be front page news.


    If Rossi's devices over so many years have not been working when Rossi claims to have tested them wroking what does it tell you about him?


    Cult applies to Rossi's followers only in the sense that they hold beliefs that are plain absurd, and however strong the contrary new evidence, nothing shakes their belief.


    Such does not apply to skeptics.

  • I sure hope that Rossi partner gets a

    LEGITAMATE third party test that

    will be convincing to you and the skeptics and the believers.


    Back in December, on ECW, I sketched out conditions that I thought would make a convincing test. You can see the post here. http://disq.us/p/25ws72a


    When I say "conditions for a a convincing test" I am saying this in good faith ... a positive result on a test like this would attract the attention and excitement of even a skeptic like me. I would have to take the results seriously. I don't think the the reverse would happen though. I don't think that a negative result would affect the Rossi followers one bit. This is why I believe that the Rossi followers are not serioius and not arguing in good faith. They risk nothing with their claims and simply look away from negative evidence.


    The day after I posted my proposal for test conditions, I was permanently banned on ECW.


  • I bet once you come to your senses and disavow Rossi, you will post about the same amount.

    Very few quit "following" Rossi, they just follow in a different way, with a clearer mind.

    It is just that we will need some new cult followers to replace you and Mark.

    Maybe LENR forum can place ads on ECW.

  • One wonders what a Rossi believer would consider to be a negative result. Based on history, it would have to consist of Rossi declaring that his device doesn’t work, which of course he would never do. Anything less than that would not faze them in the least. To anyone but one of the remaining faithful, the previous public event was unequivocally negative (albeit a source of some amusement) and yet they seemed pleased with it.

  • Seems your loyalty Sam12 is similar to other that hold truth with no more then words.

    I hope he come through for you but if not I can understand if you never believe anyone ever again.

    or at least the very high benchmark of what it will take.

    ~

    Fish.

  • 10 years ago Rossi claimed he had an LENR device working for a year heating his factory. Just that one device, shown working, would make him very famous (which he seems to like) lots of money, and be front page news.


    As I remember it, it was typical Rossi word play. He claimed the device produced enough heat to heat his factory during the winter, in the same way he could have said that it produced enough heat to drive a steam locomotive. But as far as I remember he never said the device actually did heat his factory. Can anyone reproduce a text where Rossi himself literally said that the device actually heated his factory? I'll be happy to admit I was wrong :).

  • But as far as I remember he never said the device actually did heat his factory. Can anyone reproduce a text where Rossi himself literally said that the device actually heated his factory? I'll be happy to admit I was wrong :).

    If I remember well were Focardi words during an interview.

    The interview was in Italian, translated also in English by someone.

    Quote

    “In one case we made it run for months, and we heated Rossi’s offices, in this way.“

    https://www.radiocittadelcapo.…cardi-english-version.pdf

  • Quote

    As I remember it, it was typical Rossi word play. He claimed the device produced enough heat to heat his factory during the winter, in the same way he could have said that it produced enough heat to drive a steam locomotive. But as far as I remember he never said the device actually did heat his factory. Can anyone reproduce a text where Rossi himself literally said that the device actually heated his factory? I'll be happy to admit I was wrong :).

    It was claimed in an early Rossi patent application.