Rossi-Blog Comment Discussion

  • You can actually state here that the mountains of evidence against him is repudiated by the ZERO evidence for him?! I ask this sincerely and would like to know how you balance this out.

    Evidence is very much in the eyes of the beholder and subject to spin by those who present a lopsided version of the story.

    There is not 'zero' evidence for Rossi. It may be far from persuasive, but there is still some evidence. I will agree that from a 'common sense' perspective there is very little chance of the Ecat SKL working as claimed, on many fronts. But when there is an uncommon element involved - like a Rossi - I am no fundamentalist that common sense must prevail. And, strangely I feel good cheering Andrea Rossi on. If the time comes when I don't, I won't. Simple.

  • I would like to see this evidence too Mark. Can you tell us what you perceive as evidence, even in a lopsided pro-Rossi view?

    If it is something Rossi said on his blog, let me remind you that he recently has said he is not in Italy, while his lawyers said he is quarantined in Milan.

    And he has said he personally soldered 10 thousand connections to the ecat, whose estimated reactor volume is 100cm^3 = a 4.6x4.6x4.6cm cube, which is a cube with about 1.8 inch sides.

    Do these claims add to the evidence?

  • *If* I had an invention I knew worked, and if I knew I could significantly improve it with some more time, and if I wanted to leave any competition in the dust and dominate the market for the foreseeable future, almost surely I would delay a mass market release. Rossi is doing what I would do.


    I don't post here much any more, but you have here given me some red meat to engage with.


    i disagree entirely. IF I had a disruptive new technology that worked, but could be improved, I would get it to market as quickly as possible:

    (1) To gain 1st mover advantage

    (2) To get massive funding to continue development efficiently

    (3) (if I cared, which Rossi surely does) to be hailed as a Times cover saviour of the world.


    However, if I made claims for disruptive tech, which I could not actually make work, nor convince any reputable partner it was real, I would do as you suggest, were I dishonest, or deceiving myself.

  • I would like to see this evidence too Mark. Can you tell us what you perceive as evidence, even in a lopsided pro-Rossi view?

    If it is something Rossi said on his blog, let me remind you that he recently has said he is not in Italy, while his lawyers said he is quarantined in Milan.

    And he has said he personally soldered 10 thousand connections to the ecat, whose estimated reactor volume is 100cm^3 = a 4.6x4.6x4.6cm cube, which is a cube with about 1.8 inch sides.

    Do these claims add to the evidence?

    I'm referring to the the cumulative evidence that Rossi has something real, since 2011.

    For the Ecat SKL it's only Rossi's word for now, but I'll take it. Within a few months I believe there will be evidence of the Ecat SKL.

    Regarding the ten thousand connections, again, half of those are in the Ecat and the other half are in the controller. They are not all soldered connections. These are not evidenced, only Rossi says, but I believe him on this relative detail. He is an intense, endurance kind of person. But, admittedly it is hard to believe the output is what he claims - it seems far too good to be true, and my faith is not so strong that I'd bet anything - but I enjoy giving Rossi the benefit of the doubt. If he has just a tenth of what he claims - overstating his results to discourage competitors (say) - I would still be over the moon.

  • BIG NEWS: Rossi is going to change the color of the box -- that's a game changer.

  • i disagree entirely. IF I had a disruptive new technology that worked, but could be improved, I would get it to market as quickly as possible:

    (1) To gain 1st mover advantage

    (2) To get massive funding to continue development efficiently

    (3) (if I cared, which Rossi surely does) to be hailed as a Times cover saviour of the world.


    Rossi can afford to wait a year, and he still has first mover advantage. First mover advantage is a real thing, but your first move has to be a good one. Hit the market hard and fast with something great, not with something that can be significantly improved upon within one year. There should be no obvious means of improving it significantly, otherwise a wealthy and capable competitor will quickly figure it out and do it themselves, in China.

  • If there are positive legitimate third

    party tests then there should be

    a commercial product.
    But like you say a lot of road blocks

    to get it to market.

    That "If" at the beginning is carrying a whole lot of weight. If I win multiple superlottos, lose 100 pounds and acquire the charm, good looks, etc. of Cary Grant in his prime, I should be dating supermodels. I think the likelihood of my conditions precedent occurring is higher than the likelihood of positive legitimate third party tests.

  • I don't know about Big Foot, but I believe in big feet (being a size 14 myself).

  • Evidence is very much in the eyes of the beholder and subject to spin by those who present a lopsided version of the story.

    There is not 'zero' evidence for Rossi. It may be far from persuasive, but there is still some evidence. I will agree that from a 'common sense' perspective there is very little chance of the Ecat SKL working as claimed, on many fronts. But when there is an uncommon element involved - like a Rossi - I am no fundamentalist that common sense must prevail. And, strangely I feel good cheering Andrea Rossi on. If the time comes when I don't, I won't. Simple.

    What is said "some evidence?" Other than RossiSays of course.

  • *If* I had an invention I knew worked, and if I knew I could significantly improve it with some more time, and if I wanted to leave any competition in the dust and dominate the market for the foreseeable future, almost surely I would delay a mass market release. Rossi is doing what I would do.

    I agree, that makes excellent sense. Don't come to market -- better to assume the risk that someone else will come to market before you and establish a dominant position. After all, that is just what Henry Ford did -- I mean, didn't he wait until they had perfected an automatic transmission and an electric starter, or Apple Computers, or Microsoft waited until they had perfected their software. I mean the list of people who waited until everything was perfect is endless. Alexander Graham Bell, Edison, Salk -- they all waited.

  • *If* I had an invention I knew worked, and if I knew I could significantly improve it with some more time, and if I wanted to leave any competition in the dust and dominate the market for the foreseeable future, almost surely I would delay a mass market release. Rossi is doing what I would do.


    Mark,

    Again, I do not know how long you have followed this story or how much you have really looked into the past.


    IF this was Rossi's first claim, you MIGHT be right.... but most would not wait. The stakes are too high. There is NO protection from mass market release for Rossi. He could not do this himself... it would take billions of dollars. And yet he lies about customers and defrauds his one partner!


    HOWEVER, this is NOT Rossi's first claim. He has been claiming the EXACT same stuff for 11 years! That is a DECADE! That is 1/10 of a CENTURY! Rossi has been claiming robotic factories, certifications, happy customers, etc. etc. for 11 YEARS!


    This is not... "lets wait a couple of months to tweak things"... this has been 11 years of proven lies and fraud!


    You can wait until September, just like Sam12 waited until November, then April and it has now been a year past that! Just like many waited months 11 years ago and 11 years later, this is still not ONE piece of hard evidence that Rossi has anything!


    There HAS however, been under oath court depositions that proved Rossi lied, defrauded and had no customer nor partner.


    There is NO evidence that Rossi has anything. Period. You say "lopsided" version and well you SHOULD! There is mountains of PROVEN facts showing Rossi a fraud and liar. Not heresay, but PROVEN court documents. There is NOT one piece of substantiated evidence in favor of Rossi. Not ONE! That is indeed lopsided!


    You state cumulative evidence! What is this? Rossi making claims over 11 years on his bog is evidence? What evidence are you accumulating? There is none! Zero!


    Oh well, enough Rossi exposing for me today!

  • *If* I had an invention I knew worked, and if I knew I could significantly improve it with some more time, and if I wanted to leave any competition in the dust and dominate the market for the foreseeable future, almost surely I would delay a mass market release. Rossi is doing what I would do.

    Mark U,


    Rossi has been doing this for 11+ years,

    That’s exactly what scam artists do

  • HOWEVER, this is NOT Rossi's first claim. He has been claiming the EXACT same stuff for 11 years! That is a DECADE! That is 1/10 of a CENTURY! Rossi has been claiming robotic factories, certifications, happy customers, etc. etc. for 11 YEARS!


    It's almost unfathomable that such alleged activity and progress could be made in a mere decade isn't it.

    *If* I had in my hand the pure void I would do exactly the same.

    Very poetic


    PFD, in your formula you're are missing an important term: the hundred of thousand of warm regards written from 2011 to 2020. Could they explain the excess heat?

    That might be the non zero constant of integration, which PfD omitted. Also, it is questionable that the function was continuous to begin with. Nevertheless he gets a thumbs up for creativity.

  • New book out about a Rossi competitor.

    Not just Rossi takes the 20 year strategy to perfecting a world changing invention, but another gentleman as well.

    This new book has a strikingly similar title to Mats' brilliant book about Rossi (copyright infringement?).

    This book is called "The Impossible Dream". The parallels to the Rossi story are amazing, except Rossi has not yet become the leading Crypto currency trader in any country yet.

    http://dispatchesfromthefuture…age-the-impossible-dream/

  • It's almost unfathomable that such alleged activity and progress could be made in a mere decade isn't it.

    Very poetic


    That might be the non zero constant of integration, which PfD omitted. Also, it is questionable that the function was continuous to begin with. Nevertheless he gets a thumbs up for creativity.

    It’s even MORE unfathomable that not 1 single person and on planet earth has ever seen a working “E-whatever”.


    Or a building, a robot, production line,

    No, building inspector, no delivery truck driver, no employee, no OSHA inspector,

    No UL/CSA sticker, no application for anything anywhere has ever surfaced,

    no peer review, no external source of data,

    no trusted anything anywhere by anyone,

    EVER.


    My god man