The cumulative evidence that Rossi says anything to be believed is precisely the same as the cumulative evidence that a stopped clock correctly tells time.
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If there are positive legitimate third
party tests then there should be
a commercial product.
But like you say a lot of road blocksto get it to market.
That "If" at the beginning is carrying a whole lot of weight. If I win multiple superlottos, lose 100 pounds and acquire the charm, good looks, etc. of Cary Grant in his prime, I should be dating supermodels. I think the likelihood of my conditions precedent occurring is higher than the likelihood of positive legitimate third party tests.
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Mark,
None of these are vast improvements over prior "models"! And these minor improvements are to stop the release of the invention of the century? That they will stop the validation of truly independent testors? That they will stop the publishing of an accredited certification? That they would require showing a demo from your living room? (or kitchen?)
Not a single thing you listed has not been told by Rossi before during some version of his scam.
We had the Gas Cat... we had the Hot Cat... we had the 1 MW plant... we had the Quark, Quark X, SK , SKL and on and on.
If the original eCat did 1/2 of what Rossi claimed 11 YEARS ago, we would not have gas cars by now!
By introducing (and thus proving) ANY of his versions, Rossi would have likely WON a Nobel, been a Billionaire, by now and a movie made about him! What does he have now? A tarnished reputation that all but a very, very few die hard believers laugh at, money obtained by fraud lawsuit, no recognition and NO PRODUCT!
So you did give some specifics, but I say Rossi has made all these BEFORE at various times. Some units produced THRUST!, others produced "tuneable" lights! Others had great COP. He stated ALL of them had SATISFIED customers.
I disagree that .75 kw is even close to justifying holding back the invention of the century! It is like the Wright brothers stating they will not fly their Bi-Plane because they THINK they can create a mono-plane, which would be more efficient!
This is pure BS scam talk and I think you know it.
I have followed this story fore years, (I am not sure how long you have) and can state.
No collaborator of Rossi has ever came forward to endorse him. (Although A. Smith here gives the occasional thumbs up, even he seems to be quietly backing off support!
) This is indeed quite damning! The Swedish profs?.... embarrassing!None of the many claimed customers have ever endorsed Rossi. The only known customer, IH, painted a very bad picture of him during the lawsuit.
The under oath depositions of Rossi himself, proved he lied and committed fraud. No customer, no production, false invoices, etc. etc.
I could go on and on, but this has been rehashed a thousand times. Rossi is a liar and conman. He has performed multiple scams such as gold money laundering, Petro Dragon and other schemes. He has spent time in jail, being convicted for fraud.
His claims are repetitive and follow the same pattern. The only change is that believers drop out after being burned and then new ones discover him (such as you and Sam) and carry the torch for a while. Almost all drop out after a while.
To believe in Rossi for long, one should also believe in Big Foot and self looping magnetic motors. They all have about the same level of proof!
You really think the "specifics" you listed are reasonable to delay the invention of the century? That you really think that these reasons are substantiated with any logic or data behind them? (Rossi says does not count for crap as he has said the exact same thing over and over for years)
The fact that if you ask him about the past, you simply get black listed? That is exactly how cult leaders work! "Do not question the anointed one or you get excommunicated"
You can actually state here that the mountains of evidence against him is repudiated by the ZERO evidence for him?! I ask this sincerely and would like to know how you balance this out.
Again, my reasoning for posting is that I sincerely believe Rossi is harming LENR. Although he is fading fast, his lies and ridiculous scam still casts a dark shadow on LENR. People who support him (or do not call him out.... wink, wink to certain people here) are only contributing to that black eye !
I don't know about Big Foot, but I believe in big feet (being a size 14 myself).
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Evidence is very much in the eyes of the beholder and subject to spin by those who present a lopsided version of the story.
There is not 'zero' evidence for Rossi. It may be far from persuasive, but there is still some evidence. I will agree that from a 'common sense' perspective there is very little chance of the Ecat SKL working as claimed, on many fronts. But when there is an uncommon element involved - like a Rossi - I am no fundamentalist that common sense must prevail. And, strangely I feel good cheering Andrea Rossi on. If the time comes when I don't, I won't. Simple.
What is said "some evidence?" Other than RossiSays of course.
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*If* I had an invention I knew worked, and if I knew I could significantly improve it with some more time, and if I wanted to leave any competition in the dust and dominate the market for the foreseeable future, almost surely I would delay a mass market release. Rossi is doing what I would do.
I agree, that makes excellent sense. Don't come to market -- better to assume the risk that someone else will come to market before you and establish a dominant position. After all, that is just what Henry Ford did -- I mean, didn't he wait until they had perfected an automatic transmission and an electric starter, or Apple Computers, or Microsoft waited until they had perfected their software. I mean the list of people who waited until everything was perfect is endless. Alexander Graham Bell, Edison, Salk -- they all waited.
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*If* I had an invention I knew worked, and if I knew I could significantly improve it with some more time, and if I wanted to leave any competition in the dust and dominate the market for the foreseeable future, almost surely I would delay a mass market release. Rossi is doing what I would do.
Mark,
Again, I do not know how long you have followed this story or how much you have really looked into the past.
IF this was Rossi's first claim, you MIGHT be right.... but most would not wait. The stakes are too high. There is NO protection from mass market release for Rossi. He could not do this himself... it would take billions of dollars. And yet he lies about customers and defrauds his one partner!
HOWEVER, this is NOT Rossi's first claim. He has been claiming the EXACT same stuff for 11 years! That is a DECADE! That is 1/10 of a CENTURY! Rossi has been claiming robotic factories, certifications, happy customers, etc. etc. for 11 YEARS!
This is not... "lets wait a couple of months to tweak things"... this has been 11 years of proven lies and fraud!
You can wait until September, just like Sam12 waited until November, then April and it has now been a year past that! Just like many waited months 11 years ago and 11 years later, this is still not ONE piece of hard evidence that Rossi has anything!
There HAS however, been under oath court depositions that proved Rossi lied, defrauded and had no customer nor partner.
There is NO evidence that Rossi has anything. Period. You say "lopsided" version and well you SHOULD! There is mountains of PROVEN facts showing Rossi a fraud and liar. Not heresay, but PROVEN court documents. There is NOT one piece of substantiated evidence in favor of Rossi. Not ONE! That is indeed lopsided!
You state cumulative evidence! What is this? Rossi making claims over 11 years on his bog is evidence? What evidence are you accumulating? There is none! Zero!
Oh well, enough Rossi exposing for me today!
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Remember the Quark, size of a hair, COP 22000. Throttled back to COP 500 at the expense of groaning transformers radiating 380 W to barely handle the special frequency.
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*If* I had an invention I knew worked, and if I knew I could significantly improve it with some more time, and if I wanted to leave any competition in the dust and dominate the market for the foreseeable future, almost surely I would delay a mass market release. Rossi is doing what I would do.
Mark U,
Rossi has been doing this for 11+ years,
That’s exactly what scam artists do
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HOWEVER, this is NOT Rossi's first claim. He has been claiming the EXACT same stuff for 11 years! That is a DECADE! That is 1/10 of a CENTURY! Rossi has been claiming robotic factories, certifications, happy customers, etc. etc. for 11 YEARS!
It's almost unfathomable that such alleged activity and progress could be made in a mere decade isn't it.
*If* I had in my hand the pure void I would do exactly the same.
Very poetic
PFD, in your formula you're are missing an important term: the hundred of thousand of warm regards written from 2011 to 2020. Could they explain the excess heat?
That might be the non zero constant of integration, which PfD omitted. Also, it is questionable that the function was continuous to begin with. Nevertheless he gets a thumbs up for creativity.
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New book out about a Rossi competitor.
Not just Rossi takes the 20 year strategy to perfecting a world changing invention, but another gentleman as well.
This new book has a strikingly similar title to Mats' brilliant book about Rossi (copyright infringement?).
This book is called "The Impossible Dream". The parallels to the Rossi story are amazing, except Rossi has not yet become the leading Crypto currency trader in any country yet.
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It's almost unfathomable that such alleged activity and progress could be made in a mere decade isn't it.
Very poetic
That might be the non zero constant of integration, which PfD omitted. Also, it is questionable that the function was continuous to begin with. Nevertheless he gets a thumbs up for creativity.
It’s even MORE unfathomable that not 1 single person and on planet earth has ever seen a working “E-whatever”.
Or a building, a robot, production line,
No, building inspector, no delivery truck driver, no employee, no OSHA inspector,
No UL/CSA sticker, no application for anything anywhere has ever surfaced,
no peer review, no external source of data,
no trusted anything anywhere by anyone,
EVER.
My god man
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You're a natural!
Not one single person
on this planet earth
has ever seen a working E-whatever
no building or robot, no production line
no building inspector, no delivery truck driver, lame,
No employee, no OSHA inspector,
no peer review, no external source of data
no trusted anything anywhere by anyone
not ever, you Rossi lover
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That is a picture of the dynamic duo interested observer and truth.
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That might be the non zero constant of integration, which PfD omitted. Also, it is questionable that the function was continuous to begin with. Nevertheless he gets a thumbs up for creativity.
Time (in units of years) is a continuous variable. Plus constants of integration only apply to indefinite integrals. Did you develop Rossi's hexadecimal Clifford algebra?
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Time (in units of years) is a continuous variable. Plus constants of integration only apply to indefinite integrals. Did you develop Rossi's hexadecimal Clifford algebra?
Mercy,
It has only been what, 40+ years since have heard those terms.
Thanks for giving me heartburn again pfd.
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Did you develop Rossi's hexadecimal Clifford algebra?
I'm not that clever. But note that Rossi borrows the 'blade' and 'hexadecimal' label terminology from Francesco Celani.
See page 103 from http://coldfusioncommunity.net…18/08/100_JCMNS-Vol25.pdf
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*If* I had an invention I knew worked, and if I knew I could significantly improve it with some more time, and if I wanted to leave any competition in the dust and dominate the market for the foreseeable future, almost surely I would delay a mass market release. Rossi is doing what I would do.
But Rossi is 70 years old. I'd sell the rights and buy a few luxury condos somewhere warm and sunny to live out my remaining days playing tennis with my wife.
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I've been checking the Home Depot aisles since 2014 when I read Rossi would be selling the Ecat there.
Maybe it's delayed because of Covid.
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I've been checking the Home Depot aisles since 2014 when I read Rossi would be selling the Ecat there.
Maybe it's delayed because of Covid.
Rossi considers it too incestuous to sell the ecat at Home Depot while getting all the parts for it at Home Depot.
