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Time for me to brush up on English Lit...

Well done Alan,

A Mary Stewart opus.

I have written songs where most of the material was “lifted” from those 4 books

There is a 20 kW SK reactor (producing heat) already running for nearly 2 years without recharging

Apparently relevant...

Spherical orbitals of symmetrical atoms (hydrogen, rare gases) could behave like bubbles within cavitation engine: they repeatedly shrink and expand and during it they draw an energy from vacuum. You may not call it perpetuum mobile if you don't want to - but if something looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck.

Interesting article about an Indian team of LENR researchers on Ecat World,

extends a little hope for future development.

Petroldragon was the company AR formed to dump waste illegally around Italy = Pendragon was a Cornish slip of the tongue but it conjures up the type of shenanigans he gets up to as he disappears into the mists of LENR mythology.

Maybe Merlin is his chief scientist,

that would explain how the nickel turned into copper, just simple alchemy.

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Maybe Merlin is his chief scientist,

that would explain how the nickel turned into copper, just simple alchemy.

The first result element of Nickel LENR is always copper. We measured the reactions radiation.

But I believe that for some people Merlin is more fascinating.

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Rossi's business strategy? Hmmmm...

It's fine to speculate. The real question is what is your business strategy. Each of us have a responsibility to channel this tech into areas of beneficence; which is defined as an act of charity, mercy, and kindness with a strong connotation of doing good to others including moral obligation to all life on the planet as a whole. All of us have the foundational moral imperative of doing right.

Consider that the human race is evolving to become more humane. ASSUMES FACTS NOT IN EVIDENCE, BUT ALSO CONTRARY TO EVIDENCE. So, our inherited 'worldviews' will evolve into a reality that is presently difficult to see or believe possible. Sort of like 'cold fusion' and physics. The predominant view of energy shortage, time limitations and the so justified lack of love/care/creations. That predominant mindset/reality is based on an incomplete understanding of key principles. Theoretical reality has deep meaning worthy of consideration. COMPLETE GOBBLETYGOOK. MEANINGLESS JIBBER JABBER.

Economics is about monetizing (energizing) others. Without this no one creates anything, no one buys anything. No one profits. The economy collapses. Economies are constructs which make up a good portion of our reality. Humans Love to improve our constructs. Most of the Time. If Money is no object. When there is the Energy to do so.

Energy=Money=Time=Love

Energy = Time

As in...

Do I have the time or energy to care?

Time = Money

As in...

Time is Money (I don't have time for care-giving I spend most time making money)

Money = Love

As in...

Money to provide modern comforts, education and security all loved ones deserve.

So, in light of this what does Rossi's business plan matter? Go ahead make CMNS energy tech gadgets yourself and give them away... It's perfectly legal to make any patented device if you give it away (in most countries). Think out of the box and change the world.

LENR, ZPE, Graphene, Nanotechnology, Robotics, Virtual IT, Supercomputers, Artificial Intelligence, and Bioengineering. Everyone working in these scientific fields should envision the solution proposed by Dennis Bushnell, bring the issues forward in public forums, and work together to create a world where people do not feel the need to go to war.

The Bushnell Challenge for Advanced Technologies

"How do we create a world where no one wants to make war?" ELIMINATE HUMAN BEINGS.

Think out of the box... Please consider... How VERY Very very important this is.

We know that the health of the individual and humanity as a whole depends on the health of the ecosphere of our home world. We are not separate from nature. In fact, we are part of nature ourselves. Environmental reparation and remediation are the new growth industry (read up and study its recent exponential growth). Energy is a major expense in these projects and, ironically, it is usually of the polluting variety.

Which brings me to the subject of tasking our robots. Will they be tasked with maintaining the health of our ecosphere and preventing harm to it when following the Zeroth Law?

YOU DO KNOW THAT THE ROBOT NOVELS WERE FICTION!

The Zeroth Law is referred to By NASA Langley Chief Scientist in: "Future Strategic Issues/Future Warfare [Circa 2025] Dennis Bushnell – NASA – LENR"

Wiki Laws of Robotics

First Law
A robot may not injure a human being or, through inaction, allow a human being to come to harm.

Second Law
A robot must obey the orders given it by human beings except where such orders would conflict with the First Law.

Third Law
A robot must protect its own existence as long as such protection does not conflict with the First or Second Law.

These form an organizing principle and unifying theme for Asimov's robotic-based fiction, appearing in his Robot series, the stories linked to it, and his Lucky Starr series of young-adult fiction.

The Laws are incorporated into almost all of the positronic robots appearing in his fiction, and cannot be bypassed, being intended as a safety feature.

Many of Asimov's robot-focused stories involve robots behaving in unusual and counter-intuitive ways as an unintended consequence of how the robot applies the Three Laws to the situation in which it finds itself.

The original laws have been altered and elaborated on by Asimov and other authors. Asimov himself made slight modifications to the first three in various books and short stories to further develop how robots would interact with humans and each other.

In later fiction where robots had taken responsibility for government of whole planets and human civilizations, Asimov also added a fourth, or zeroth law, to precede the others:

Zeroth Law
A robot may not harm humanity, or, by inaction, allow humanity to come to harm.

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"Future Strategic Issues/Future Warfare [Circa 2025]" by Dennis Bushnell 2013

Page 101 “Circa 2025”

• Machines as creative/“smart” as humans “Robotics” the “norm”

• Zeroth order “warstopper” – Binary bio into nation’s agric./food distrib. system (every home/fox hole)

• Next level of concern: Ubiquitous/Cheap micro-to-nano EVERYTHING (sensors, munitions, weapons swarms/hordes)

• Battlefield attrition/CNN syndrome forces U.S. Army to look/act like SOCOM

Page 106 Future “Warfare”

• “Defense” against the “then year” multitudinous conventional and unconventional delivery methods for volumetric and precision munitions is essentially neither doable nor affordable.

• Suggested National Defense Approaches:

– Work Technology, Intel, Diplomacy, SOCOM for detection/interdiction/deflection of the “pre-delivery” phases (causes of war, motivational and decision processes, design and construction, test)

– Work and ADVERTISE a REALLY EFFECTIVE RETRIBUTION to deter delivery (ala MAD).

Page 110

“War between mass armies weighed down with baroque equipment has become a third world sport. The advanced world, too vulnerable to survive a war of attrition or mass destruction, must learn to conduct its affairs by the Rapier–by the threat or use of small specialized forces exploiting high tempo and strategic surprise” – R. E. Simpkin, “Race to the Swift” – 1985

Page 111

In the second half of the 1900’s Nuclear/Bio Warfare was “Unthinkable”

In the first half of the 2000’s “conventional” warfare may become so deadly/effective as to become “Unthinkable” (“Killer Aps” available to mitigate the “Causes of War”)

Page 112 Approaches to Countering Group/Individual Deployment of IO/Bio

WMD PREVENTION

-Universal inexpensive Web based educ.

– Biomass via sea water irrigation DISCOVERY

– All Source Intel/Fusion/AI Analysis PREEMPTION/RETRIBUTION

– SOF (Foreign)

Page 113 (Usual) Reactions to this Presentation

• Is in the “Too Hard Box”;

• Not being done yet by anyone, therefore, will not be done;

• They would not do that.

We have to Hope they would not do that.

Why go there, since there is no defense against it.

Some Disbelief, but agreement there is too much there to disregard.

gbgoblenote: These are the new tech industries that Bushnell lists as future warfare strategy enablers. These emergent industries MUST accept the responsibility to help transform our dominant world view and take on

The Bushnell Challenge for Advanced Technologies

How do we create a world where no one wants to make war?

Page 4 This presentation is meant to incite thought/ discussion and is based in all cases upon existing data/trends/analyses/technologies. (e.g., NO PIXIE DUST)

It provides, in some cases, a somewhat broader view of prospective developments and issues.

gbgoble- SO IT DOES, YES? Indeed it does…

Page 22 The “Bushnell Challenge”

“In this [Worldwide] economy our ability to create wealth is not bounded by physical limits/resources but by our ability to come up with new ideas.”

However, even “universal wealth” will not obviate the other causes of warfare which include Politics, ”Face” (which include) Religion, Megalomania, and Territorial Disputes.

Page 7 Need to Plan “Differently”

Our World is in the throes of triple/exponential (IT/Bio/Nano) Technological Revolutions.

• Changes occurring at scales of months (instead of decades).

• Zeroth order potential effects upon Defense/Offense equipment/conops/threat.

Page 8 “SPACESHIP EARTH”

The crew are:

– Plundering the ship’s supplies.

– Tinkering with the temperature and life-support controls.

– Still looking for the instruction manual.

– Engaging in bloody skirmishes in every corner of the vessel.

– Increasing the size of the crew by 2 million PER WEEK.

ENERGETICS ACCORDING TO NASA

High Energy Density Materials (HEDM) (Power, Explosives, Propellants)

Tetrahedral N (Isp 600+ sec)

Atomic Born, C, H (Isp 600+ sec)

Metastable He (Isp 1500 sec) • Metallic Hz (Isp 2000 sec)

ISOMERS ( 105 x TNT)

Anti-matter

LENR’s

Page 37 Revolutionary Power Generation/Storage Opportunities

• Ultracapacitors • Adv. Fuel Cells (e.g. Lithium/water/air)

• HEDM (e.g. Solid H2, Isomers, antimatter, etc.

• Adv. PV (50%?) • Room Temperature SC/SMES

• C-Nanotube storage of H2 (non-cryo)?

• Offshore Methane Hydrate

• Blacklight power?

• LENR

• ZPE

Page 57 High Energy Density Materials (HEDM) (Power, Explosives, Propellants)

• Tetrahedral N (Isp 600+ sec)

• Atomic Born, C, H (Isp 600+ sec)

• Metastable He (Isp 1500 sec)

• Metallic Hz (Isp 2000 sec)

• ISOMERS ( 105 x TNT)

• Anti-matter

*LENR’s

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In addition to my comments above, I think you left out "Live long and prosper." Personally, I think you mistake this planet or reality with one where humans and humanity are perfect angels. Sounds to me that would be a very boring place, something like the Eloi in the Time Machine.

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Personally, I think you mistake this planet or reality with one where humans and humanity are perfect angels..

Thanks for the compliment, though, allow me to correct your belief (faith) in me I know for fact that we live in a reality where humans and humanity are "perfect angels" in embryo, i.e. Humanity is evolving, slowly becoming more aware of 'reality' (science and faith) and slowly becoming more humane (science and faith). Our unique and rather peculiar evolution of the species, which you are an example of. Both science and faith are dependent on advancing theories and advancing worldviews (outlooks on 'life'). In regards to this, what you believe is of some interest, and but one example and metric of humanity 'at large'. Not the 'end all' reality theorized by you, where humans and humanity are not "perfect angels" (why-ever you chose that phrase as an incomprehensible attack is beyond me).

I posit that Darwin posed the following question because he wanted us to put forth an answer for consideration, Here is the question and my answer for your consideration. Please critique it and think about putting forth an answer for consideration.

“The fact of evolution is the backbone of biology, and biology is thus in the peculiar position of being a science founded on an improved theory, is it then a science or faith?”- Charles Darwin

In answer to Darwin,

"Consider as fact that science and faith are both, in part, based on theory. Advancements in both science and faith, and improved theories of such, go hand in hand. Advancements in science and faith improve our knowledge of reality." - gbgoble2020

I, for one, believe in the peoples of the earth (with 'eyes-wide-open').

Just to let you know, that belief is unshakable and is not based on any religion.

Now back to the HUMAN changing potential of the SKL.

Here's a fun and historically educational 'new tech that changed the world' story.

In light of this

The SKL Crab Whistle

The 'Crab' is representative of being the first of

'New technology entering the market'

As is most likely with the SKL.

Like the Thursday whistle

Heard on the wind

Truly not long

In years since

Passing

1830/2020

(190)

6 miles

(9.66 km)

Slowly hence

The 'Crab'

Goes

-gbgoble17Oct2020

"As I said to dear Martha, 'My guess is it rains quite often in Kent on a Thursday while riding the Crab along the Canterbury and Whitstable Railway. It's so wonderful to hear its whistle blowing from the top of Tyler Mountain." Well, yes, yes... Noted, and thank you for correcting me. Yes indeed! Frankly Tyler, while being the high point, is only a hill. Quite a feat of engineering none the less.' - In Sweet Memory of the Crab" - gbgoble

The Canterbury and Whitstable Railway, sometimes referred to colloquially as the "Crab and Winkle Line", was an early British railway that opened in 1830 between Canterbury and Whitstable in the county of Kent, England.

There are a number of other claimants to the title "first railway in Britain", including the Middleton Railway, the Swansea and Mumbles Railway and the Surrey Iron Railway amongst others.

Samuel Lewis in his 'A Topographical Dictionary of England' in 1848, called it the first railway in South of England.

Whitstable, on the coast about seven miles (11 km) due north, was at that time a small fishing village and port with a trade in iron pyrites from the Isle of Sheppey. The idea for the line came from William James who surveyed the route and produced plans for improving the harbour. The immediate problem was that the land between Whitstable and Canterbury rose to a height of two hundred feet (61 m) and railway haulage on steep gradients was technically very difficult at that time. The only alternative would have been a much longer route through Sturry, Herne and Swalecliffe and land acquisition would have been a major cost.

Accordingly, the direct route was chosen, with three steep gradients, two of them to be worked by ropes from stationary steam engines at Clowes Wood and Tyler Hill. From Canterbury North Lane station, the line climbed for 1 mile 70 chains (3.02 km) at 1 in 46 to Tyler's Hill, where there were two 25 horsepower (19 kW) winding engines. At Tyler Hill, there was an 828-yard (757 m) tunnel.[citation needed] The gradient eased to 1 in 750 for a further 1 mile 10 chains (1.81 km) to the summit of the line at Clowes Wood, where there was a 15 horsepower (11 kW) winding engine. The line descended for 1 mile (1.61 km) at 1 in 31, followed by a level stretch of 1 mile 20 chains (2.01 km) before another descent at 1 in 53 for 40 chains (0.80 km) and a final level section of 20 chains (0.40 km) into Whitstable, giving a total length of 6 miles (9.66 km).

Reference Wiki

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/…%20of%20Kent%2C%20England.

Hmmm...

Hi woodworker? It would have been better if you introduced yourself and welcomed me to the Forum before your unwarranted "asshole" type discourse and 'capital letter' attack. You have prompted me to copy every Forum comment made by you onto a memory 'schtick'. An in depth review of this compilation (even better with an Evelyn Wood speed reading of it) was enough to get the gist of it. Your discourse here on the Forum is so narrow it boggles the imagination. You only comment on Rossi threads which I FIND DISGUSTING. Such a lack of curiosity and motivation is downright unhealthy. Yet all this (and much more) increases my trust in people. I trust you will be who you are, that what you exhibit is predictable, reproducible always, and provides a measure of the foundational beliefs that flow through your veins, so to speak.

Let me make one thing perfectly clear, I'm a carpenter... You are a lawyer exhibiting little to do with skilled carpentry. You act like an asshole and a lawyer IMHO. Do not attack me again. YOU CLEAR ON THAT?

Quote the "woodworker"

I used to do cabinetry and furniture, mostly hardwood mission style, settles, cabinets, coffee tables, end tables, beds, things like that. I started using "woodworker" when I did more of that. Now I mostly relax, read and play with the cats.

Also

As to philosophy and law, I do think that there are some similarities in that both try to teach one to question the accepted "TRUTH", especially when the evidence for it is all "I say, therefore it must be." Both try to teach one to ask questions, intelligent questions intended to get at both the facts and the truth of an issue, and how to reason in a logical fashion. Logic is an essential element in taking philosophy and IMHO should be in law, but it is not.

Also

As an attorney, I can attest to that. I have always encouraged my clients to start off negotiations fairly and see how the other side responds. If the other side is an asshole, well, I can be a bigger asshole than anyone if I need to. The result of the first approach is less fighting, less mistrust, quicker negotiations and lower attorneys' fees. If the sides want to fight, the only real winner is the lawyers.

Also

There are numerous game theory studies that conclude that if you approach someone else with courtesy and open hands they are more likely to respond that way, and if they don't, then it is appropriate to respond on their level. Those studies also seem to show that open hands, etc. result in a better outcome for all the parties, while being an asshole usually results in a lower or lesser result for the parties.

Gregory Byron Goble So you are a Rossi fan? You must not take healthy scepticism personally. I leave the final judgement on Don Andrea to one side in the hope that eventually with all his financial backup he may produce a working e-cat. One day in the distant future................maybe?

Hopefully as he gets more information he will drop the Disneyland business model and step up.

Hmmm..

Barb and the Judge

Well met I'm sure.

Your intentions?

A moment to compile and digest... Study up and find I don't really give a rat's ass about Rossi. Clearly my passion pulls me elswhere. Only someone not well read and new to the field, or an ignorant man doesn't know this. 💞👣💞

Healthy skeptic?

Anyone care to field that one...

Personal?

Anyone care to field unwarranted attacks...

Please don't bother, such discussions aren't really needed in my opinion.

Case closed.

Speaking of "Case Closed", I wonder what the hold up is...

"The corporate representative shall appear for a video deposition as soon as it can be safely scheduled. The parties shall attempt to schedule the deposition through ZOOM. There is no need to delay the deposition until such time as travel restrictions between Italy and the United States are removed."

- Judge Antonio Arzola, April 2, 2020

(emphasis mine)

Rossi is now claiming the ecat converts information into energy.

In a sense he is right. Bullsheet is a form of information, which is converted into $$$$ which can buy energy. JONP is a great energy generator.

And this has launched a series of nonsensical discussions on ECW by the minions about energy/information equivalence, ignorant discussions about entropy where they get the signs revered, white noise, how many Jules per Byte, you name it.

1. Norma October 17, 2020 at 4:58 AM

   Dear Dr Andrea Rossi:

   After your paper

   http://www.researchgate.net/pu…nge_particle_interactions

   how would you describe the term “energy”, like “energy =…” ?

   Cheers

   Norma

2. Andrea Rossi October 17, 2020 at 5:06 AM

   Norma:

   Energy = information density in the space-time

   Warm Regards,

   A.R.

Mr. Anderson, welcome back ... we missed you

I wonder if that wascally wabbit Wossi character has read up on articles like this one:

https://bigthink.com/philip-pe…or-matter-but-information

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Wheeler said the universe had three parts: First, “Everything is Particles,” second, “Everything is Fields,” and third, “Everything is information.” In the 1980s, he began exploring possible connections between information theory and quantum mechanics. It was during this period he coined the phrase “It from bit.” The idea is that the universe emanates from the information inherent within it. Each it or particle is a bit. It from bit.

In 1989, Wheeler produced a paper to the Santa Fe institute, where he announced "every it--every particle, every field of force, even the space-time continuum itself--derives its function, its meaning, its very existence entirely--even if in some contexts indirectly--from the apparatus-elicited answers to yes-or-no questions, binary choices, bits."

Yes, "apparatus-elicited answers to yes-or-no questions"

I hope it is all becoming clear now...

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Mr. Anderson, welcome back ... we missed you

Mr Anderson? I was thinking about Mrs Robinson. Jesus loves you more than you will know, Whoa, whoa, whoa

unless he booked time on a space shuttle to allow time in zero gravity to reassembly of the fuel dust I don't see much chance of building cold core.