Rossi-Blog Comment Discussion

    Quote from axil

    It seems natural to me that the money he gets from the IH case money award will be used to bring the QuarkX to the production stage.


    As Jed has pointed out the $10.5M from IH was available anyway, but used for real estate.


    In any case why did he not just sell the previous e-cat or hot-cat, both of which, Rossi claimed, were sellable. He could have got so much money, so easily, doing that?


    Unless none of this stuff works, of course.

    I have stated that the low temperature E-Cat was not sellable. You can't blame Rossi for turning a few bucks at IH's expense. This bisiness is all part of the venture capital game. Just look at the way Trump does bisiness with the people that give him money. He does not pay his expenses and when he is sued, he gets his pitbull lawyer to counter sue. People want to WIN.


    Trump: :“We're going to win so much. You're going to get tired of winning. you’re going to say, ‘Please Mr. President, I have a headache. Please, don't win so much. This is getting terrible.’ And I'm going to say, ‘No, we have to make America great again.’ You're gonna say, ‘Please.’ I said, ‘Nope, nope. We're gonna keep winning.’


    When you win all is forgiven. Winning is what counts, not how you win. LENR must win and keep on winning, The end justifies the means. What is the issue here? Yes, there are problems sometimes with this behavior. If you never pay your lawyers, then no law firm will represent you. But then Trump is the president and you're not.

    Quote from Jack Cole

    How would it not be sellable? If you believe Penon's report, it runs like a top (even when powered down)!


    I have stated that all current functional LENR reactors are not protecting the user from subatomic particle emissions which increase background radiation exposure levels . There are ways to configure a LENR reactor whereby this radiation risk can be mitigated, bit that design has not appeared yet.


    I would like to see uranium added to the fuel mix. If mesons are involved in the LENR reaction as Rossi claims, adding uranium would increase the production of heat via fission by 20 times. Producing He4 yields 10ev via fusion but adding uranium will produce 200 ev. via fission This increase does not factor in the added huge increase in the muon capture rate that uranium has over hydrogen which is about 1,000,000 time more. Uranium is available for sale on amazon.

    Quote from Jack Cole

    even when powered down

    Of course many reactions are self sustaining once started. The most trivial and common example is fire but of course many nuclear reactions can be self sustaining in "critical" mode.


    Quote from axil

    Uranium is available for sale on amazon.

    Axil beware Uranium as any heavy metal is also a poison. Make experiments with it only if you have an adequate laboratory and you know what you are doing.

    Quote from axil

    I have stated that the low temperature E-Cat was not sellable.

    That is nonsense. A large fraction of the heat used in the world is low-grade, low temperature heat used for space heating. The U.S. residential market alone is worth $73 billion per year. (https://www.epa.gov/rhc/renewable-space-heating) A device that produces warm air at 40 deg C would be worth approximately $500 billion per year.


    Furthermore, there is no evidence that the e-cat is limited to low temperatures. Actually, there is no evidence that it works at all, but if it does, it might well go up to several hundred degrees, in which case it could supply nearly all useful energy, excluding only aviation and few other applications.

    Quote from axil

    You can't blame Rossi for turning a few bucks at IH's expense.

    Yes, you can. What he did is a clear violation of civil law and contract law, and probably criminal law as well. If you try doing what he did, you will find people do blame you.

    Quote from axil

    I have stated that all current functional LENR reactors are not protecting the user from subatomic particle emissions which increase background radiation exposure levels .

    Yes, you have, but there is absolutely no experimental evidence for this. You have also stated that the e-cat works, but you have not read the Penon report, so you know nothing about it and you have no basis for this assertion either. You say all kinds of things about subjects you know nothing about. You have zero credibility.


    It is as if you said: "I have stated that pink elephants have taken over the U.S. Senate, and leprechauns are in charge of the Treasury." Yes, okay, but that is nonsense. Anyone familiar with the literature can see that your statement about particle emissions is nonsense, and anyone who has read the Penon report can see that your statements about the e-cat are nonsense. Why do you bother saying things when anyone can fact-check you and see that you are wrong? What is the point? Are you trying to make yourself look ridiculous?

    Interesting comment on the Rossi Blog :


    Leanne
    June 10, 2017 at 9:50 AM

    Dr Andrea Rossi,


    I discovered that Cherokee Investment Partners LLC, the company that owns Industrial Heat and is owned principally by Tom Darden and John Mazzarino, is liable for the catastrophic environmental disaster happened during the remediation and re-vitalization of a brownfield named “ZENECA SYTE- CAMPUS BAY”, in Richmond, California.


    What happened is that they got financing for enormous amounts of money of the Taxpayer and after getting this big money they remediated nothing, re-vitalized nothing, but built houses upon the poisoned terrains of the brownfield.


    In that field, upon which they built houses, the Department of Toxic Substances Control has found cancerogenic substatces, hidden under the houses. I knew this from a person of a Citizens Committee, made after cases of cancer appeared with anomalous statistics in the area. This person informed me that Cherokee Investment Partners LLC, after the Department of Toxics Substances Control has published a report with the results of the discovery of the risk of cancer for the population, has filed for bankrupcy in the State of Delaware of their “front company”, named Cherokee Simeon Venture I LLC, that they used for the “job”. Obviously the money collected from the Taxpayer is disappeared.


    Now: I wonder how Cherokee Investment Partners LLC can still be qualified to receive public funding by means of their their society ” Brownfield Revitalization LLC”.


    Cheers,


    Joanne


    ----------------------------------------------


    Interesting......


    Googling I have found also some interesting links with millions dollars of public money about that Brownfield Revitalization LLC:


    https://www.cdfifund.gov/award…controlNumber=07NMA002372 Cherokee is also cited here 2007


    https://www.cdfifund.gov/award…controlNumber=12NMA002372 2012


    https://www.cdfifund.gov/award…controlNumber=13NMA002372 2013


    https://www.cdfifund.gov/award…controlNumber=15NMA002372 2016


    https://www.cdfifund.gov/award…controlNumber=10NMA002372 2010


    https://www.cdfifund.gov/award…controlNumber=11NMA002372 2011




    If I understand well the average amount of public money given to that compeny was about 50M$/year for 6 years this sum up to about 300M$ !


    WOW !


    more documents can be found:


    https://www.google.com/search?…kee+Simeon+Venture+I+LLC+


    So the content of the comment in the Rossi Blog seems real !

    • Official Post

    ele,


    This article: http://richmondconfidential.or…y-lot-still-a-toxic-stew/ covers the story up until 2009. The story hardly mentions them as they were not the ones who polluted the site. Cherokee bought the property in 2002, well after Zeneca's remediation started in 1997. The remediation was deemed unsatisfactory, and it looks like Cherokee got stuck with a worthless land investment as a result.


    Don't know what happened after that...maybe you could fill in the rest? Whatever though, this looks like Mr. Sockpuppet is trying to dirty up TD's image for the trial. :)

    It takes two minutes on Google/Maps to see that this is complete BS. The site is empty, no houses. Looks like they bought it after the pollution happened and grossly underestimated the cleanup costs (sounds familiar). Nice try though.

    Quote from Ahlfors

    http://www.ibrarian.net/navon/…_Site.pdf?paperid=4399782

    http://www.deb.uscourts.gov/si…ture-i-llc-memo-order.pdf

    As always our friend is a "man of few words", but he confirms what reported here from Ele. Many people do not miss the opportunity to remind us that Rossi had problems with Justice in the past (always omitting that he has been absolved of everything). When, however, they discover something about the counterpart's past, they are the first to talk about "mud" and to say that the others are lying. Accept it: Darden is not the savior of humanity like many think.

    Quote from SSC

    As always our friend is a "man of few words", but he confirms what reported here from Ele. Many people do not miss the opportunity to remind us that Rossi had problems with Justice in the past (always omitting that he has been absolved of everything). When, however, they discover something about the counterpart's past, they are the first to talk about "mud" and to say that the others are lying. Accept it: Darden is not the savior of humanity like many think.

    Did you even read the documents? There is nothing to confirm any wrongdoing by Cherokee that I could see. Maybe I missed it. Could you quote what you found to be confirmatory?


    From what I see, Cherokee was trying to do some good for the environment unlike AR's pollution history. But in true form, AR and extremely-similar-thinking individuals (e.g., ele) accuse others of doing what he does.

    Quote from SSC

    Rossi-Blog Comment Discussion


    Do you really believe that Darden and his associates are so unprepared to bump into bad business so frequently?


    They are a VC company specialising in high risk remediation projects.


    So, yes, I expect that their individual projects will sometimes fail, and lose money for all investors. When they fail the mess they were in business to remediate will often still remain.


    What is so difficult to understand?


    I'd expect many of their projects to fail - given the risk - but I notice you have found only one?


    Oh - you are forgetting another one: IH who unwisely invested in Rossi! Except that IH have no legal connection to Cherokee - they are a pet altruistic and clearly money-losing project of the Cherokee founders. rather different.

    Quote from Jimmy

    It takes two minutes on Google/Maps to see that this is complete BS

    Interesting that you do not post the link to google maps. If the rules should be equal to everyone you should post the link AND demonstrate that you are pointing google maps on the right location. Note that I have posted a list of links about that trial.

    Some new links:


    From WIKIPEDIA:

    In late 2002, Cherokee Simeon Venture I, LLC (CSV) acquired the property from Zeneca and continued the cleanup work. In 2005, regulatory oversight of the Campus Bay investigation and cleanup was transferred to the California Department of Toxic Substances Control (DTSC).[2] The cleanup of the site, which is ongoing, is being conducted in cooperation with the community, DTSC, and the property owner. Following the cleanup, the site could be redeveloped for a variety of uses, including residential, retail, commercial and recreational. Campus Bay is located within a City of Richmond redevelopment district.[3]

    In 2007, remediation work was completed on the portion of the property known as East Stege Marsh. In 2008, DTSC approved the Lots 1 and 2 Remedial Investigation (RI), an analysis of environmental conditions for a 26-acre (110,000 m2) portion of the property.

    The site may have radioactive waste.[4]




    Also the document posted http://www.deb.uscourts.gov/si…ture-i-llc-memo-order.pdf

    contains many upsetting statements like:

    Zeneca retains control over the Campus Bay Property to manage and potentially reduce its clean-up
    expenses through the administrative processes (2013!)


    Another interesting link: (2006)

    http://www.berkeleydailyplanet…HARD-BRENNEMAN&status=301

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