Rossi-Blog Comment Discussion

Oh my God! I am completely stunned that anyone with your obvious intelligence could come to anything approaching that conclusion. Rossi is in every way the quintessential, classical, free energy scammer. Cheating and lying to make money for himself is the only thing he is passionate about. And without thoughts like you expressed, he would not be so successful at it!

MY - what I said, and what you say, are not a contradiction. You only think that if you have a narrow view of the human psyche.

I agree that he is successful exactly because people see one aspect of his persona and think it is the whole, and that it implies technical consistency, competence, and honesty.

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@Adrian Ashfield

We have six years of evidence, Adrian. And Rossi was caught in flagrante delicto by Krivit and others many times, for example in this classical and hilarious video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?…er_embedded&v=uviXoafHWrU

It was after watching that Krivit's hit piece video that I lost most respect for him. Especially the part when he interprets Rossi's stare at the camera as having some sort of sinister meaning. LOL.

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It could take weeks of measurement and analysis with unimpeded access before arriving at an informed conclusion

Yes, sometimes it does take weeks. I cannot judge whether it would take that long with the upcoming demonstration because I know nothing about the device.

However, with something like the Doral test it would not take weeks to evaluate the device. It was not difficult to determine it was fake. You could tell in a few minutes that it was not producing 1 MW as claimed because the room was not hot and there was no massive ventilation system capable of removing 1 MW of heat. That left open the possibility there was some excess heat at a much lower level. You could eliminate that by other methods:

If Rossi had allowed people to measure flow rates and temperatures in the Doral system they would have confirmed it was not producing heat in about 20 minutes.

If he had allowed them to look into the pretend customer site they would have seen it was fake at a glance.

Anyone who read the Penon report could see it was an absurd fraud. It seems unlikely Rossi had a real system yet he published a blatantly fraudulent report. What would be the point? If he had real data instead of the made-up nonsensical data in that report, why didn't he publish it?

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If Rossi had allowed people to measure flow rates and temperatures in the Doral system they would have confirmed it was not producing heat in about 20 minutes.

Except that he did allow for these, as is quite clear in the extensive record that we now have before us.

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If he had allowed them to look into the pretend customer site they would have seen it was fake at a glance.

He did allow them. He had to because someone called in the state agency to inspect on questionable motives. This is the same state inspector that testified that he witnessed steam. At a glance, we see serpentine piping in a giant container with pipes exiting the container. Not sure how you see that it is a fake at such a glance. Not sure why the photos provided by IH seemed to cut out key portions of the setup. It would have been nice if they provided comprehensive photos.

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Anyone who read the Penon report could see it was an absurd fraud. It seems unlikely Rossi had a real system yet he published a blatantly fraudulent report. What would be the point? If he had real data instead of the made-up nonsensical data in that report, why didn't he publish it?

I don't see how Penon's report is an absurd fraud. It's not polished-I'll grant you that. It is rough around the edges, but it conveys and summarizes the most important details of the test. IH was not paying for the report itself. The $89 million payment was contingent on the outcome of the test, not the quality of the report itself.

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You could tell in a few minutes that it was not producing 1 MW as claimed because the room was not hot and there was no massive ventilation system capable of removing 1 MW of heat.

That, in turn, meant that the instrument readings were way off, by a factor of 10 or more. This was also obvious from a visual inspection of the equipment and the flowing water, and from the choice of instruments and the way they were placed.

People who visited the test saw these problems. See, for example, the Murray letter describing problems, and his testimony in the lawsuit documents.

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nearly 84 I'm labeled a "student."

Looking at THHuxleynew's label of "master." I wonder if the requirement is related to how insulting one can be about Rossi. Also, I wonder what is the point of these labels.

Perhaps you know that the designations of "student", "professional", "master" and so on are automatically derived from one's activities here at the Forum. Huxley is perhaps unique in undergoing some identity shifts here, but he deserves the designation both from the automatic process and from his apparent steadfast commitment to evidence-based science. He has made that many posts and received that many "likes" over the years, reaching the 10,000 points which I guess to be the threshold for "master".

It does not take long to get to "professional", so I suggest you will get there soon enough. Another path might be to become a "Verified User", which does not sound too important, but is granted to a fairly select few, who are personally known to the administrators, I deduce.

How humans went from using tools made from sticks and stones to using semiconductors while adhering to ideas contrary to facts constantly amazes me. No wonder some people think that much of our modern technology and even ancient architecture was devised with help and information supplied to us by extraterrestrials.

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Except that he did allow for these [measurements of flow and temperature], as is quite clear in the extensive record that we now have before us.

He tried mightily to prevent it, but I believe people finally did manage to make measurements despite his objections. It was obvious from these measurements that Rossi's instruments were wrong by a factor of 10 or more, and that his device produced no excess heat. The fraud was revealed as soon as someone measured the flow rate.

The situation was similar to the Defkalion fraud. As soon as someone measured the actual flow rate (which was zero at times) it was obvious the machine was not working. The Defkalion people managed stop anyone from measuring for several months, but once other people did measure, the game was up and the fraud was revealed. See:

http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/GamberaleLfinaltechn.pdf

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I don't see how Penon's report is an absurd fraud.

Then you are incapable of elementary analysis, and you do not understand the first thing about instruments, experiments, or everyday plumbing. Murray pointed out many reasons why the report is an absurd fraud, and so did I. The flow rates, for example, are preposterous, and the temperatures could not be so similar every day. Also, as I said, the numbers in the report add up to 1 MW of heat, which is physically impossible given the ventilation in the warehouse. That 1 MW must be wrong by a factor of 10 or more. Since we know it is wrong, the data should have been thrown out, and real data from properly selected instruments should have been used instead.

In other words, when the data leads to a physically impossible conclusion that you can disprove by walking into the room and looking around for a few minutes, that data must be wrong.

There were many other ways to see it was wrong. Anyone who has read a flow meter manual or an on-line guide to flow meters could glance at the meter, the way it was installed, and the water coming out of the pipe (which was visible) and tell the meter was malfunctioning. It is as if you stepped onto an industrial weight scale and it registered 2,500 lbs. You would know that is the wrong answer. You would not need to do a sophisticated analysis. Anyone familiar with flowing water can tell approximately how much water is flowing out of a visible pipe. It was obvious the meter was measuring the wrong amount by a huge factor.

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Rossi's stare is classical. It's the little boy caught with his hand in the cookie jar. It's the teenager caught with his pants down. It's the bank robber caught with his hand inside the cash drawer. It's Rossi setting up a company to be his "customer," giving it a name almost identical to a well known major firm, and then having his own lawyer be the CEO and then having it all revealed during depositions! LOL.

Or perhaps it is the warped imagination of some people having an axe to grind.

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The E-Cat X is its present form only produces heat so can't be used to power itself. depending how you measure it, the E-Cat X might be considered to have an infinite COP when it is running in self sustain mode. But at this point in the game the controller has to stay switched on, even if it is not powering the reactor. We know nothing about the percentage of time it runs in self sustain, so wait for the facts.

It would not be truthful to call a device self sustaining if it has to be connected to something that supplies power to sustain its operation, even if that power was intermittent. .... Unless that controller is unpowered.