Rossi-Blog Comment Discussion

Quote from axil

I understand that those accusations were not adjudicated in a court of law and therefore unfounded.

These are not accusations. Rossi and his pretend employee admitted all of this is true in the depositions.

You have not read the depositions or the Penon report, so you wouldn't know any of this. I suggest you refrain from discussing things you know nothing about. Your add nothing to the discussion but confusion and error.

Quote from Alan Smith

I'm sure you do. However, you would be wrong.

Alan

Quote from Roseland67

I guess we’ll see Alan, but I suspect that if you are not given a script, your questions,

if not to Rossi’s liking, will simply not be answered

Alan,

This appears to be a SOP classic Rossi demo

Completely control the set up, the test, the data, it’s interpretation and the audience. No media that will ask questions he does not want to answer.

The “Invitee” list, their vested interests, credentials, nor the location of the demo are known to anyone outside the Rossi selected coven.

In no way, shape or form can this be considered anything close to science, you must see this Alan.

Quote from IH Fanboy

And I think that is a tidy summary of a clear motive underpinning your hostility toward the LENR movement. I do appreciate your candor nonetheless.

So let's get this straight here. Since I reanalyzed a set of Cold Fusion data and found a mundane way to explain the results that didn't require LENRs, and since I defended that reanalysis against inaccurate criticisms, and since I work in an area of interest to any tritium-handling facility and sometimes actually do work for those facilities, I am 'hostile' to the LENR 'movement'? I don't think so. While I am 'hostile' (really just annoyed) towards those who misquote me, take my comments out of context, and outright lie about what I say, I have no particular 'hostility' towards those who think there is something worth looking into in the field. However, I usually find those people haven't understood what I have contributed to the field or are just openly 'hostile' to anyone who thinks LENR isn't the solution to all Man's problems. But I usually can't tell which path they are on until I test their response to my points. The liars and conspiracy nuts usually show their colors relatively quickly.

Quote from Adrian Ashfield

You are missing a vital word in the first sentence,

Rossi has stated this demo will be only of total heat.

I haven't seen figures for how long the E-Cat QX can run in self sustain mode. That fact that it does for at least part of the time helps the high COP.

I spoke of measuring the voltage across a known resistor and measuring the power into the controller. The resistance of the reactor is not known except that it is very low.

I don't understand your last sentence. I think the answer is that it isn't.

so are you saying it is not a demo of a self sustaining system as first claimed, but just heat,

So he is just claiming that he has a device that heats up when you apply external power to it??

or perhaps something that generates heat when it is started by some external power input.

Not very exciting. Many chemical systems do that and do it for an extended time. I hope the decay rate of the heat is measured.

There is no doubt that LENR is both a movement and a cause. What remains in doubt is whether it is a genuine physical phenomenon. And that doesn’t get decided by passionate advocacy.

Hi Adrian,

Is your suggestion that we not take into account what we have learned from the past six years and await the possibility that what will be seen at the demo will be a rigorous test, carried out by clear-headed scientists, and not controlled by Rossi, over a long enough period of time that the results will be conclusive, and that the protocol and results will be made available to anyone who wishes to double-check the conclusion of the qualified scientists, and that after such a review of the (putative) test, the results will stand up to scruitiny?

Ok, I'll allow that that might happen. But if I were betting money, I would bet that instead it will be a dog and pony show.

Quote from Eric Walker

Hi Adrian,

Is your suggestion that we not take into account what we have learned from the past six years and await the possibility that what will be seen at the demo will be a rigorous test, carried out by clear-headed scientists, and not controlled by Rossi, over a long enough period of time that the results will be conclusive, and that the protocol and results will be made available to anyone who wishes to double-check the conclusion of the qualified scientists, and that after such a review of the (putative) test, the results will stand up to scruitiny?

Ok, I'll allow that that might happen. But if I were betting money, I would bet that instead it will be a dog and pony show.

You ran for Parkhomenko with his poster in Padua, Italy of ICCF-19, it at it unless not as at Rossi?

Gennadiy Tarassenko, I wasn't at ICCF-20. I'm not sure about the results of Parkhomov. I get the impression that they are not fully confirmed.

Quote from Adrian Ashfield

No, I didn't say that. You're getting Bob's disease of putting words in another's mouth.

You're incorrect that I put words in your mouth. I asked for clarification. Your complaint about it being called a dog and pony show suggested that you thought it might not be one. In which case it would be rigorous. In which case all of the things I said would apply.

Quote from Adrian Ashfield

There is little information available about the E-Cat QX at present.

We have lots of information about the inventor and his MO.

Quote from Adrian Ashfield

I haven't seen that it can run in self sustain mode for long periods continuously. Where did you see that?

I made no reference to "self sustain mode." Perhaps you're confusing me with someone else.

Quote from Adrian Ashfield

To say it is not different from a chemical system when it produces excess heat of 20 Watts for a year is just silly.

Again, you confuse me with someone else.

Quote from Bob

Unfortunately, you must not live in the real world?

Who would shoot 200 people from a hotel tower?

Who would strap bombs to themselves and blow up dozens?

Who would beat a baby to death because it is crying?

Almost every day somewhere in the world, someone does something completely crazy.

The world is full of sickos and psychopaths. Some people are on drugs, they are drunk, they are plain stupid and some are just evil.

Yes, people do this kind of stuff all the time in the real world! It happens almost every day somewhere.

Besides, people have confessed to this crime. I am sure they are throwing their lives away because they believe "big oil" is worth dying for! Really?

Do you think "the powers that be" would slash and stab or simply hire a hitman to to drive by?

Wait! .... better yet, big oil controls natural gas! The meter reader guy simply would loosen a few pipes and let the house blow up!

So you really believe Mallove was done in by corporations? Really? He was a writer first and a scientist second! Why did not Ponds get knocked

off? Much more likely that HE would have something. Why not Cravens, McKubre, Storms,...... ?

There is NO doubt as to what happened. This is simply giving a further black eye to the LENR scene when people read this kind of stuff!

Tesla was a genius, but he died in poverty and somewhat disgrace. No because of his intelligence, but his claims of aliens, visions, talking

pigeons and stuff. This cast serious shade on his reputation!

This fabricated story does the field NO GOOD WHATSOEVER either!

No wonder you see scratches on the floor and missing window panes if you see real conspiracy in this! Really?

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Unfortunately, I do live in the real world, which can certainly be depressing at times.

I made no assertions that "the powers that be" or the big oil guys killed Eugene Mallove. To the contrary, I only observed that it appeared to be a crime of passion. Seems like we had a criminal / homicide investigator on the forum at one point, although can't remember his handle. I'm sure he/she could explain to you the difference in crime scene evidence between a typical homicide and one that has the hallmarks of a crime of passion.

Quote from kirkshanahan

So let's get this straight here. Since I reanalyzed a set of Cold Fusion data and found a mundane way to explain the results that didn't require LENRs, and since I defended that reanalysis against inaccurate criticisms, and since I work in an area of interest to any tritium-handling facility and sometimes actually do work for those facilities, I am 'hostile' to the LENR 'movement'?

"It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it!"

~Upton Sinclair

This quote can be logically extended to: "his salary or that of his friends"