Rossi-Blog Comment Discussion

  • Bocijin,


    I still think the Rossi DPS will be in Sweden. Logistically it just makes sense. Most of the attendees are from Europe. And also, Rossi is still upset about IH blowing his chances for the Nobel as the court records hilariously showed, so this would be a symbolic snub to IH. And who knows, in his mind, he probably thinks doing it in Sweden will attract the attention of the Nobel committee. Hey, do not laugh...he is serious about that Nobel. Then there are the Swedes (professors) themselves, who have given him such a huge credibility boost, and have stayed loyal (and tight-lipped) throughout, So, DPSing in their backyard would be a nice thank you.


    Nonetheless, we should find out soon where it takes place; with 70 people now attending, someone has to spill the beans. I am surprised Alan has not as of yet. Why not?...if you do not do it, someone else will. May as well be the first.

  • A Nobel is awarded to the founding person of a major field in science that advance knowledge in a big way. LENR would get to that stage long after Rossi is gone. Dead people don't get Nobels. It will take 50 years for research to find out how LENR works. It will take 10 years for the fusion meme to fade away.

  • It would take enormous amounts of chutzpah to do the demo at the Doral facility.

    So I give it a 50% of being there.


    Agree Para,


    Problem with Doral, is that it is a well known address within the LENR family, and anyone can go there...and spy on. :) Most of the attendees do not want to be identified...for good reason. In Sweden, that is less likely.

  • Shane D. ,

    Doral might also prove to be too distracting to the guests.... Constantly gazing towards the mezzanine door, taking photos of back wall pipes and layout of the ceiling, looking for Pt sponge bits, checking out bathroom ventilation routes, water inlets, FPL meters and electrical panels...

  • Agree Para,


    Problem with Doral, is that it is a well known address within the LENR family, and anyone can go there...and spy on. :) Most of the attendees do not want to be identified...for good reason. In Sweden, that is less likely.


    Is spying a factor when the demo will be shown on the internet?

  • A Nobel is awarded to the founding person of a major field in science that advance knowledge in a big way. LENR would get to that stage long after Rossi is gone. Dead people don't get Nobels. It will take 50 years for research to find out how LENR works. It will take 10 years for the fusion meme to fade away.


    Axil,


    Rossi may get his Nobel one of these days. Who knows? Oh yes, I forgot -you do! :) Seriously, in the court documents, he felt he deserved the Nobel for the 1 year Doral "DPS". Even though you believe it (Doral) was successful Axil, could you imagine a Nobel given to someone who orchestrated something like Doral? Even if accepted as successful as you do, Doral did not come close to the scientific rigor that would be accepted by a Nobel committee. Doctored logs, destroyed data, dismantled plumbing, oversight from your old country friends...come on, in that regards, it was a joke.


    Rossi thinking otherwise, only shows what a nutcase he is.

  • Doral might also prove to be too distracting to the guests.... Constantly gazing towards the mezzanine door, taking photos of back wall pipes and layout of the ceiling, looking for Pt sponge bits, checking out bathroom ventilation routes, water inlets, FPL meters and electrical panels...


    Despite our differences, I feel a strange kinship with all those who traveled that road together.

  • So let's get this straight here. Since I reanalyzed a set of Cold Fusion data and found a mundane way to explain the results that didn't require LENRs, and since I defended that reanalysis against inaccurate criticisms, and since I work in an area of interest to any tritium-handling facility and sometimes actually do work for those facilities, I am 'hostile' to the LENR 'movement'? I don't think so. While I am 'hostile' (really just annoyed) towards those who misquote me, take my comments out of context, and outright lie about what I say, I have no particular 'hostility' towards those who think there is something worth looking into in the field. However, I usually find those people haven't understood what I have contributed to the field or are just openly 'hostile' to anyone who thinks LENR isn't the solution to all Man's problems. But I usually can't tell which path they are on until I test their response to my points. The liars and conspiracy nuts usually show their colors relatively quickly.


    I may be a believer in Pd based LENR, but you have always answered my questions quite honestly. It is after all what I expect from ALL of US. If I am wrong understanding something I do not want to spout crap, I want to ensure I am using factual info to the best of my knowledge.

  • Alan Smith,

    When is the demo and when will you be in Miami? I will be there this Sunday and Monday then be back a few days later. I have no reason to attend the demo, but would love to meet some LENR folks and frankly other than getting my hands on the Dewster you are top on my list, but just for a beer and a joke . Also you are not taking a hop to DC I assume just one flight sometimes they hop?


    -Thanks!

  • Axil,


    Rossi may get his Nobel one of these days. Who knows? Oh yes, I forgot -you do! :) Seriously, in the court documents, he felt he deserved the Nobel for the 1 year Doral "DPS". Even though you believe it (Doral) was successful Axil, could you imagine a Nobel given to someone who orchestrated something like Doral? Even if accepted as successful as you do, Doral did not come close to the scientific rigor that would be accepted by a Nobel committee. Doctored logs, destroyed data, dismantled plumbing, oversight from your old country friends...come on, in that regards, it was a joke.


    Rossi thinking otherwise, only shows what a nutcase he is.

    This example of court testimony shows how worthless the Doral test was and how useless that court case was. Rossi has recently said that the E-cat was not a market ready product. Testing the E-cat for marketability was the bottom line reason for the Doral test. You just can't beleive those court documents. Don't you feel silly for wasting so much time wallowing in that court case?

  • This example of court testimony shows how worthless the Doral test was and how useless that court case was. Rossi has recently said that the E-cat was not a market ready product. Testing the E-cat for marketability was the bottom line reason for the Doral test. You just can't beleive those court documents. Don't you feel silly for wasting so much time wallowing in that court case?

    Axil I have followed ShaneD also.


    I am sure that I feel bad for all the time I wasted on this ecat court saga. This is why I am faux mad at Dewey. It could have been stopped in its tracks Dewey promised that IH would step up and stop it. Month after month but it did not happen and the cycle is repeating. Maybe I see the world somewhat differently now. He has been running his own tests period , they are not independent in any way shape or form. I have spent countless hours researching studying Ni LENR.


    I have no ill will towards Rossi, I agree he is a genius. Let me put it this way, in life have you ever been deceived and ripped off by someone that you trusted? I have and take it seriously. Basic honesty is a absolute requirement in science. Why am I still posting then? Well pro or con you all have become my friends after all these years. Look at it this way Rossi is doing the demo yet again. How about Jed and Alan doing this one? Think we would get the same answer? Sorry to come off so angry not my intention.

  • Rossi is not a scientist and the development of the Quark is not an experiment. Why should a demonstration of a commercial product be treated like an experiment?


    When Jed developed his software products, did he give his source code to other developers to inspect? I don't think so. You don't stay in business by giving away your work.


    In order to test a product, you need to know how it works. Third party test development is tantamount to giving away the IP. A business does not give away its IP.


    Holmlid was completely open in his experimentation but we have not seen any new research from him for awhile now. It is my guess that Holmlid is starting a bisiness and we won't see anymore stuff from Holmlid.


  • Interesting comment Axil so if I understand you this is a demonstration of a commercial product? maybe a dog and pony show to get new investors? or something else?

    What is Alan going to look at? ( to respond to 'ask Alan' is a bit well ...)


    What do you expect to see? and why do you think he is doing a demo? Notice please -- no snark here. I also have a background like Jeds (we have discussed some similarities e.g. VAX/VMS) There is a subtle difference between programming code and Rossi, it is this in a nutshell--- stuff I worked on (and I assume Jeds) are still in action. My modest contributions either fly (now) or in orbit (now) or just possibly ideas in the code that other people are using everyday (now).


    They were successfully commercialized. My "team" and robotic factories were well funded and produced real products and hardware. After all this time there is no comparison; he and his project would be de-funded and his "team" disbanded. Again no snark.

  • Alan will see a reactor with a COP in the hundreds. A small amount of input will generate a large amount of output power. Alan might see periods of self sustain mode where the input energy is minimized or completely cut off and the output energy continues for an appreciable period of time. Rossi has stated that self sustain mode occurs 75% of the time. During self sustain mode, heating power is cut off but the activation signal must still be applied. That signal does not use very much power.


    This mode of operation is nothing new. This self sustain output was already deminstated by the SunCell. In the video, the SunCell ran for 2 minutes without input power applied.


    The purpose of the demo is to introduce the Quark to the public prior to manufacture.

  • To the best of my understanding, Microsoft does not distribute their source code. It is proprietary and well protected from public release.

  • Axil wrote "Holmlid was completely open in his experimentation but we have not seen any new research from him for awhile now"


    Actually Holmlid last published this August.


    "Abstract

    Ultradense hydrogen H(0) is a very dense hydrogen cluster phase with H-H distances in the picometer range. It has been studied experimentally in several publications from our group. A theoretical model exists which agrees well with laser-pulse-induced time-of-flight spectra and with rotational spectroscopy emission spectra. Coulomb explosions in H(0) in spin state s = 1 generate protons with kinetic energies larger than the retaining gravitational energy at the photosphere of the Sun. The required proton kinetic energy above 2 keV has been directly observed in published experiments. Such protons may be ejected from the Sun and are proposed to form the solar wind. The velocity distributions of the protons are calculated for three different ejecting modes from spin state s = 1. They agree well with both the fast and the slow solar winds. The best agreement is found for H(0) cluster sizes of 3 and 20-50 atoms; such clusters have been studied experimentally previously. The properties of ultradense hydrogen H(0) give also a few novel possibilities to explain the high corona temperature of the Sun. Plain Language Summary The solar wind contains protons from the Sun with high velocity. The mechanism for their ejection from the strong gravitation at the Sun's surface has been debated for a long time. Protons with high enough energy can be ejected from a condensed form of hydrogen called ultradense hydrogen, which is stable even at the temperature of the Sun. Experiments show that such a mechanism exists. Calculations now give good agreement with the velocities of both the slow and the fast solar winds"


    Holmlid has no reason to become an entrepreneur. .basic physics research is his thing and he will continue publishing 2-3 times per year in this greenfields area.


    Sweden has decided to replace 4 ageing nuclear fission plants with new ones and probably will stay with

    its present hydro/nuclear/wind mix for a few decades.


    Sweden has no urgent need for LENR or Holmlid's research reactor to be commercialized. Maybe Sifferkoll has different views.

  • To the best of my understanding, Microsoft does not distribute their source code. It is proprietary and well protected from public release.


    I am not sure, but I think that they do now with agreement since they have to for various agency's. I know a bit about this BTW. Also while source code in large vendors (this is a long ago ok?) is well protected. But developers could get to it very easily, I am absolutely sure of it "so to say."


    Know what they really really protect and why they protect it? Hardware bugs. The reason is simple - something that is built in large numbers (like hardware) has a failure rate. It is just the way rushing a project on a upgrade cycle to market that works. These devices are really expensive and have bugs (faulty vendors or just faulty components in batch) well it is just like software.


    But the thing is if you have a hardware bug and it gets out to people businesses that have real money and they find a failure rate they will request replacement of every piece of hardware regardless of rev level. They do not care. Again, these are real working devices that require specialists to replace and install and ensure that the issue is resolved.


    You have given me much to think about over the years Axil , I just want you to know the above is absolutely true. I have worked on real things you can see them on a clear night.

    You can question me on any point above if you wish. I will be as honest as I can.



    IMHO -> Rossi does not have a factory nor customers; just a plan of action and followers, it is quite a bit different at this point in time. He is not holding the LENR "world" on his shoulders but instead he is distracting from our common goal. Our "common goal".


    Oh one more thing on software in OS (regardless) there are things called hooks (kinda like tracehooks but not the same) . Just some macros (a few assembler instructions with a label these instructions go lower to scratches in silicon that in the old days you could see on a tektronix I am not sure now, and how it and even if it is done since design is mostly simulated ) but regardless someone that "borrows code" with a hook gets the hook in their code. After disassembly the machine instructions match the macro.

    A pattern match.


    If anyone here can call me on this I would love to be correct. And I am pretty sure , I am sure here. But I was not a hardware eng.


    /Jeez please stop with the moralizing on LENR Rigel :thumbdown: sorry

  • If I understand well the exchanges, it seems the happening of Rossi will not be an independent test.

    It will be a DPS, a demo, a show, which can be interesting, but with calorimetry it cannot be convincing.


    So for me there is only two out come possible :

    • either it happens fine, and given past DPS errors and lies, we should be cautious. Those confident in rossi will be convinced, and those who are worried by Doral fiasco will stay worried.
    • either it is a fiasco, and as we see for the Dora fiasco, most of Rossi's supporters will keep believing, while those convinced by Dora evidences will stay worried.

    So there is no hope.

    This is a no-event.


    is there something interesting in the domain, elsewhere?

  • AlainCo


    Worth pointing out that the event on the 24th has only ever been described as a demonstration by Rossi. Zero 'official' claims have been made (AFAIK) about anything more. Who knows what it will lead to? many more arguments and cold-confusion for sure, possibly to somebody serious taking him on again. Though there does seem to be another partner in the wings, for uncertain values of 'seem'.


    Maybe the purpose of this is merely to prove that AR is alive and kicking still? Where there is life, there is always hope. No way am I expecting to see anything like ultimate, or even partial proof of a 'miracle' - in fact it would be ridiculous to expect it on such a short acquaintance with something apparently totally radical presented by a great showman.


    But I hope you agree that, considering the primary purpose of this forum is to discuss and investigate claims and counter-claims about LENR, it is important that somebody makes the effort to attend and report on what is seen? After all, nobody is obliged to read what I (or anyone else) writes about this, or believe any of it. For me, It is an opportunity to meet and talk with other attendees in the interest of scientific enquiry. I have not seen the full guest list, but based on the few names I know there will be some very interesting people there. Apparently a lot of people like dogs, and ponies, which is why the numbers invited have risen from 40 to 70 to meet demand. And I am told that I can take photographs, which may also prove to be of interest in the arguments to come. BTW This messenger is entirely prepared to get shot at by one side or the other, probably both, and by some of those on the fence. This, as I am sure you know, will certainly happen. Maybe I should just stay home and watch afternoon TV, likely resulting in my premature death from boredom?


  • The egregious examples of this I've seen come from medicine and the biological sciences, where commercial pressures are very strong and the experimental data are inherently flakey because living organisms so complex and difficult to control. In medicine (hardly a science as mostly practiced) the flaws in non-double-blind trials, and the epidemiological and ethical issues in trial selection (e.g. how do you choose your typical set of participants) are well known and make drawing any conclusions from any small-scale studies difficult. Even large-scale studies have many issues. Finding facts from medical data then becomes an exercise in meta-analysis, and as difficult and problematic as sociology. Look at the arguments about diet and the affect of fat and sugar on health.


    Luckily continuing advances in genetic profiling are removing one major source of uncertainty from results, and molecular biology is proving more precise mechanisms, so the future is bright.

  • Quote

    Worth pointing out that the event on the 24th has only ever been described as a demonstration by Rossi. Zero 'official' claims have been made (AFAIK) about anything more. Who knows what it will lead to? many more arguments and cold-confusion for sure, possibly to somebody serious taking him on again. Though there does seem to be another partner in the wings, for uncertain values of 'seem'.


    Maybe the purpose of this is merely to prove that AR is alive and kicking still? Where there is life, there is always hope. No way am I expecting to see anything like ultimate, or even partial proof of a 'miracle' - in fact it would be ridiculous to expect it on such a short acquaintance with something apparently totally radical presented by a great showman.


    @ AS

    only ever been descried as a demonstration...

    A demonstration of the famous paramount Rossi's masterpiece, the Quark-X. No?


    Zero 'official' claim...?

    Not counting dozens of claims on JoNP (his official blog) during these years.


    Maybe the purpose of this is merely to prove that AR is alive and kicking still?

    His daily "says" on JoNP more than enough in order to prove this.

    JoNP means Journal of Null-Physics (the house of hoax,trickery, junk and psychopathological science).