"So now its official: Rossi has taken to wearing a tin-foil hat ALL THE TIME!"
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Alan rushes in right on schedule as part of the R'ster's bucket brigade.
The R'ster spent years in prison for fraudulent bankruptcy, money laundering and precious metals smuggling.
There is no acquittal record for those episodes. The gap out between his TEG and CF careers contains more information for those that want to
go there. He was last nabbed coming back into his home country in the middle of the prototype / testing failures / "lab fire" episode. His metals partner was later nabbed in Miami International on an Interpol warrant and returned to Europe to face justice.
Dewey,
With all of this evidence stacked up against Rossi, how was IH so gullible as to get conned out of $10 million simolians?
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Dewey,
With all of this evidence stacked up against Rossi, how was IH so gullible as to get conned out of $10 million simolians?
I think they blindly listened to people like Ed, Jed, Melich,..... and others that at the time were singing praise to Rossi since they didn't have any in house experts and were only "business types" looking at the risk/reward ratios. When you are a billionaire 10M is only a 1% risk.
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Rose - the Swedes said it worked - we took their word for it.
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I think they blindly listened to people like Ed, Jed, Melich,.....
Ed and Jed said no such thing! I was very wary of Rossi. There are many posts on Vortex to back that up. In particular, I said that no businessman should trust him.
I do not know what Melich said. Others in the Navy wanted to strangle Rossi, and they were not shy about saying so.
No one from I.H. asked me what I thought about investing in Rossi. Not before, or after. I do not recall discussing any of their investments or business strategies. We did discuss some technical issues.
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Rose - the Swedes said it worked - we took their word for it.
That is an honest reply.
Their 2013 report was impressive, as I have often said. See:
http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/LeviGindication.pdf
I would have invested based on it. I do not know if I would have put $10 million in, if I had that kind of money. I guess that would depend on various issues relating to business, patents, the likely cost of development and so. I know nothing about these issues.
I was surprised to hear it was $10 million. I assumed it was less that that.
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Cold nuclear synthesis exists in the nature, it is necessary to study it. I am a geologist and I study LENR in nature. LENR can't consider as thermonuclear synthesis, this other phenomenon and receiving heat for rotation of the electric generator not the correct way is a nonsense! LENR should connect with rotation of plasma like a fireball. Mother Earth is so arranged, look at a subject searching - model of the planet is and there is a process of cold nuclear synthesis! Steam - warm has no future in an energy drink!
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Ed and Jed said no such thing! I was very wary of Rossi. There are many posts on Vortex to back that up. In particular, I said that no businessman should trust him.
I do not know what Melich said. Others in the Navy wanted to strangle Rossi, and they were not shy about saying so.
No one from I.H. asked me what I thought about investing in Rossi. Not before, or after. I do not recall discussing any of their investments or business strategies. We did discuss some technical issues.
like some of your early comments such as "Many, including me,
think that the weight of evidence is in favor of the claims, based on
previous Ni-H claims and so on."
https://www.mail-archive.com/v…@eskimo.com/msg50737.html
I know that you "turned" after the entire travel non payment issue but I seem that early on you did support the general Rossi approach.
notice Melich is/or was an advisor to JOPN http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?page_id=2
I am not saying that people outside of IH told them to invest, only that same "seemed" to supportRossi early on. And as Dewey indicated some like the Swedes gave early support or a "nod of acceptance".
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I was surprised to hear it was $10 million. I assumed it was less that that.
The contractually agreed investment even amounted up to 110 million US dollars, which was in view of the outcome of the adventure after all, a very daring investment.
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Rose - the Swedes said it worked - we took their word for it.
Blaming the Swedes sounds now like a lame excuse to me.
Didn’t IH do an own test of the 1MW plant in Ferrara before singing the contract?
How comes that IH didn’t notice during this test that the e-cat doesn’t work.
That time, an e-cat supposed to produce 6 times more thermal power out than electrical power supplied. In this in kW / MW levels.
That shouldn’t be too difficult to verify if true or not.
How could IH mess up this test in Ferrara so badly?
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The contractually agreed investment even amounted up to 110 million US dollars, which was in view of the outcome of the adventure after all, a very daring investment.
Daring only when you know that, with Rossi, all independent validation tests end up not independent, and succeed.
As a $10M gamble with $100M paid for a system that is replicable and works for some time on a large scale it is the upfront $10M that is hardest. Replicable working and usable LENR on any scale would be worth more than that.
The error of judgement, in retrospect, was in allowing Rossi his bogus customer and therefore his bogus 1 year test. Too much concern with keeping Rossi happy on the small chance they could find a diamond in the dross of what he had given them IMHO.
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42 follows their SPtroll pattern so beautifully. Twist and troll. We're all tired of it with the exception of couple of
mods.
IH has no one to blame but ourselves. We got tricked by a career specialists and lost some money in the process. Are there others who were/ are complicit in
this? I believe the answer is yes and that time may give us a more definitive answer to that question if they keep going.
I've got some more news for you. Ferrara came with some geiger blips that were above the noise. For whatever reason, they were never to be repeated or seen again. How the heck did he pull that off? If you go back to his original patent filing, he claims that device heated a factory for a solid year
(invalidating the patent if not true). Where are those miracles? I think the market has spoken.
We're done with those clowns and have moved on but have plenty fight left for folks who want to keep bringing this up.
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Ed, Jed, Melich and others all thought that Rossi's system needed further investigation. The pre-IH Navy test impressed everyone who knew about it.
For whatever reason, the R'ster left that reactor behind including the fuel. Remember that R shipped the blue container across the ocean fully loaded and fueled. That remained a huge curiosity until we figured out the truth.
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ouch,
Wonder if the Swedes were in on the deal?
Rossi and Sergio Focardi kind of got it to work.Then the Swede Sven Kullander worked with Rossi right up to his death in 2014 to get it to work better.Rossi then worked with I.H. and other individuals to where he is now.A product (Ecat QX)soon ready to market.
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Rossi then worked with I.H. and other individuals to where he is now.A product (Ecat QX)soon ready to market.
I believe it as soon as one can buy it...
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Spam12 - your scenario only resonates on Planet Rossi.
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Well then what resonates on planet IH? You have a scenario with a product?
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Rossi worked with Focardi. Sounds good but since Focardi is deceased Rossi can claim what he likes.
Rossi worked with Kullander. Did he? Again as Kullander is deceased Rossi can claim what he likes.
The only party you mention who worked with Rossi and are still around are IH and the conclusion of that little legal drama is supposed to be kept secret. However I think we have a pretty good idea how that worked out.
IMHO Rossi has a history of "tests" from the Navy test in 2011 (mentioned by Dewey) through Bologna 2013, Lugano 2014, the one year test and even Stockholm 2017.
He always does the same thing.
What he actually presents is a demo with a closed box and Rossi with hands on the controls.
There are selected observers at these demos, scientists or prospective investors.
Later Rossi tries to pretend the demo was actually a scientific experiment.
Well it must be because measurements were taken and there were scientists present!!!
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Remember that R shipped the blue container across the ocean fully loaded and fueled. That remained a huge curiosity until we figured out the truth.
In the Doral test, Mr Rossi ended up using only these units -- the ones that had been prefueled and shipped across the ocean. He shut down all the others before the actual test period began (a huge restructuring that happened the day after Penon's first visit ended). My guess is that Rossi didn't want to use any of the units fueled in Raleigh because he thought some of them might be "control" units inserted into the mix to test him.
You actually have to admire Rossi's cunning. The movie is going to be great!
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TrueTroll: I repeat - you'll be among the last to know.
Bruce H - Rossi's system failed the "control test" and he stormed out of the Raleigh lab after being caught red-handed in the process.
Remember that he also claimed to have shutdown and "re-fueled" the Doral reactors 1 day before Penon and IH were to inspect the "post-test" reactors.
It would have taken 2 engineers several days to refuel those systems - they were not designed for quick refueling.
