Rossi-Blog Comment Discussion

Quote from Adrian Ashfield

I am not aware of these examples. Possibly I have missed them.

Yes, you probably missed them.

Quote from Adrian Ashfield

Please give actual examples from JoNP from, say, the last three months, so that it is possible to judge if they are sock puppets..

Many people already did that here. I am not going to do it again because I have difficulty finding messages here, and I don't feel like reading through the glop, lies and nonsense at JoNP.

This issue is not important. I do not care whether you believe Rossi uses sock puppets or not. I and others have given you evidence that he does. Take it or leave it.

Well, some folks on JoNP have trouble remembering how they spell their own name over time, and even sign off as AR.

Quote from Adrian Ashfield

Links to three pages of a blog do not help me understand your point. If you wish to pursue this off topic subject please give actual quotations and what you object to in them.

I am not aware of these examples. Possibly I have missed them. Please give actual examples from JoNP from, say, the last three months, so that it is possible to judge if they are sock puppets..

It seems my effort to get the subject back on track failed. No discussion on the news I listed from JoNP.

Adrian,

As an educated man, especially an engineer,

You must consider the possibility that you are wrong.

The constant “In Your Face” attitude and demanding of proof that Rossi and/or his demo/tests are fraudulent, without ever once considering the alternative is what I simply cannot understand.

This is not a high school debate class or a religion discussion, it is science, and it demands rigorous testing, replication and peer review & vetting.

If/when Rossi ever complies, you can argue

the results then, but NOT now,

because there are none.

Quote from Bob

Since this is the last post on this for me, let me call it out for you in black and white...... examples such multiple times, out and out insults of "Bob's disease", totally out of spite, is what they are talking about. And then when called out, you ask "for proof". Then proof is given and you either disappear, do not respond, or evidently do not even read the post! I did give you the exact quotes!

Does that help you understand?

Yes, Adrian often does this. So do many of the cold fusion opponents, such as Mary Yugo. They ask for proof. I list papers. They don't read the papers. A month later they ask for papers again. This is boorish behavior. It is trolling. However, it makes Adrian look bad. Readers can see that you win the debate.

So, as I said above, I do not think Adrian should be banned from this site because he is boorish. If he were abusive or libelous, that would be grounds for banning him. The fact that he makes himself look bad should not be. If it annoys you, block his messages.

I wish people would just stay on topic and keep the "house keeping" else where.

Sorry for getting off topic in this comment but I know no other way to state it.

@ JedRothwell,

Quote from JedRothwell

"Absolute reliability" is not the sort of expression I would use

I didn't say you used that exact expression, but I think it describes quite well the expressions you used since 2011, such as:

"There is no way you could fool the professors involved in this" or "There is no doubt it self sustained for hours, producing kilowatts with no chemical fuel" or "It is impossible to make one that E&K, Focardi or Levi would not instantly see is fake" and so on.

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Again you make this strange comment!

Yes. The tests are secret. I do not want you to identify them.

Ok, this is a much clearer answer. So, those tests were secret, but not for you. This should be really considered a strange comment, when compared to what you said just two days ago ("I had no inside knowledge of the e-cat results. Only what was published by Lewan and in Vortex."), but, well, not so strange if it comes from a true fan of Machiavelli!

Quote from Adrian Ashfield

There are no recent examples of Rossi acting as a sock puppet. I am quote capable of detecting fakes and have not seen any for some while.

Oh come on. - Of course it impossible to have 100% proof that for example “Prof” is one of the Sock-Puppets Rossi uses, but the style “Prof” writes (including spelling errors like “Stockolm” at the same time periode as Rossi spells Stockholm wrong, and changing to right spelling at the same time when Rossi learns how to spell Stockolm) cries for “Prof” beeing Rossi himself.

A recent post of “Prof”

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Prof

March 19, 2018 at 9:16 AM

Dr Rossi,

If I have understood, watching the 6 minutes summary of the Ecat demo made at the IVA in Stockholm, since you have a temperature of 1 eV in the Ecat, by the laws of Physics in that field should be raised waves and anti-waves with the same T. Did I understand well?

An older post of “Prof”:

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Prof

November 27, 2017 at 6:20 AM

Dr Andrea Rossi:

I watched the two videos of the complete demo of Stockolm and I think you made a very convincing test. It has been very convincing for the water flow, for the measurements of the temperatures and for the measurements of the electric energy consumed.

I think you have made a masterpiece and all the experts I have spoken with agree with me.

Congratulations.

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Quote from Ascoli65

"There is no way you could fool the professors involved in this" or "There is no doubt it self sustained for hours, producing kilowatts with no chemical fuel" or "It is impossible to make one that E&K, Focardi or Levi would not instantly see is fake" and so on.

If that was in reference to the 2013 experiment, I still think it is true. I see no evidence that was fake. However, it was not replicated so I cannot say it was real.

Quote from Ascoli65

Ok, this is a much clearer answer. So, those tests were secret, but not for you. This should be really considered a strange comment, when compared to what you said just two days ago ("I had no inside knowledge of the e-cat results. Only what was published by Lewan and in Vortex."), but, well, not so strange if it comes from a true fan of Machiavelli!

As I said, the test I saw was for an older model similar to the one in the factory. It was before Rossi began calling his machines "E-Cats." I do not know if it was internally the same or different. I know little about the insides of his machines. Regarding the E-Cat series, I know nothing more than has been made public. By the time he introduced them, I was alienated from him, and not interested in what he had to say. I learned nothing from Levi et al. except what they published. I became interested again when I.H. got involved with him because, as I said, I assumed they had inside knowledge and knew much more about him than I did.

Quote from Adrian Ashfield

Jed, There are no recent examples of Rossi acting as a sock puppet. I am quote capable of detecting fakes and have not seen any for some while.

"No recent examples" implies there were some in the past. You have not seen them "for some while"? Again, that implies you saw them previously. If you acknowledge he did this before, what makes you think he stopped? It would be out of character. He has been a liar and a dissembler since I first heard of him. If anything, he has grown worse over the years. I used to trust him partly, at least with regard to the 2013 tests. After seeing the Penon report, I would never trust him again about anything.

“should Rossi actually start production. Evidence continues to mount that he will.“

What evidence is that? I am sure we are all eager to hear it.

Quote from Mark H

It's almost as if nobody believes it is going to happen is it not?

I believe it’s going to happen.

Rossi is on a roll.

I can feel it in the AiR.

Quote from sam12

I believe it’s going to happen.

Rossi is on a roll.

I can feel it in the AiR.

I would place £500 on the table against your crisp £50 note that this time next year there will be no working AR reactors sold to the public.

Quote from Mark H

I would place £500 on the table against your crisp £50 note that this time next year there will be no working AR reactors sold to the public.

How about even odds and we each

put 100£ On the table Mark H.

I am in! Would bet 1000€ for the same scenario: This time next year no domestic nor industrial heating units with one of Andrea Rossis ca. dozen E-Cat technologies sold to public (I am excluding secret NASA or other customers who's idendity cannot be disclosed for NDA reasons etc. - public means public, e.g. I can read it in the news and if I would like I could travel and see this thing in action, doesn't matter if it will be in Sweden, Bologna or in Miami).

I finally want to see this revolution on the market, after all these years, as promised, prepared and promoted by Andrea Rossi and his Leonardo Corporation. I do hope that folks and engineers like E48 (IIRC who claimed that he was trained back in the days in the installation of the 1MW plants already) and Adrian A. will support AR's launch activitiest as best as they can.